Portland man goes on racist rant at Muslim woman, murders two men who try to calm him down - Sensationalist Headlines

It is now clear that Bernie Sanders and Jill Stein are responsible for empowering this guy. They should immediately speak out against this atrocious act of violence. /s

[QUOTE=CarnolfMeatla;52283834]It is now clear that Bernie Sanders and Jill Stein are responsible for empowering this guy. They should immediately speak out against this atrocious act of violence. /s[/QUOTE] [Criteria Needed] - Like before 2016 election because this guy is seemly already crazy.

[QUOTE=ChadMcGoatMan;52283848][Criteria Needed] - Like before 2016 election because this guy is seemly already crazy.[/QUOTE] /s is for sarcasm

Actually it's Obama's Fault! /s Instead of blaming politicians, how about we blame the fucker who stabbed two people because he was stupid and crazy?

Actually I am pretty sure Trump's part in this is miniscule, and we can conclude this based on recent history. Plus it turns out the guy hated Trump too. Have we all forgot about the attitude towards Muslims after 9/11? This behaviour towards Muslims has been going on for a long time and not just in the USA, and it always spikes up after a terrorist attack. It's what you should expect after a terrorist attack; it's not nice, but unfortunately it's what happens, and blaming Trump gives you a nice feeling and you think you're doing your part in the "good fight" - but ignores the obvious.

Well its obvious that the guy wasn't a Trump supporter but none of the posts in this thread ever accused him of being one. The elephant in the room of course is that the political rhetoric regarding foreigners comes from the same sort of right wing politics that Trump used in his populist campaign for president. The guy is probably 'just crazy' but you can't ignore the altercation that precipitated the whole thing; the idea that he could confront two women as being foreign criminals who don't pay their taxes.

[QUOTE=Raidyr;52284278]Well its obvious that the guy wasn't a Trump supporter but none of the posts in this thread ever accused him of being one.[/QUOTE] What? Yeah no one directly said he was a trump supporter but it was heavily implied by people saying that Trump's influence is causing people to hate muslims…

[QUOTE=djjkxbox;52284425]What? Yeah no one directly said he was a trump supporter but it was heavily implied by people saying that Trump's influence is causing people to hate muslims…[/QUOTE] Just so you should know, people arent really pulling that from somewhere without good reason. Hate crimes went up by a staggering 67% in 2015 alone. On top of this, the 2015 list of hate crimes was far and above the numbers seen, even compared to 2001 after 9/11. Sources: [url]https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/intelligence-report/2017/trump-effect[/url] [url]http://crg.berkeley.edu/sites/default/files/Final%20Report-IRDP-CAIR-Report2016_0.pdf[/url]

[QUOTE=Tudd;52283450]And then apparently he made several comments on Facebook about how you shouldn't vote Hillary or Trump, but Bernie. [url]http://heavy.com/news/2017/05/jeremy-christians-facebook-page-racist/3/[/url] The guy is just plain nuts it seems.[/QUOTE] [url=https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/6dgzqi/ramadan_bombathon_isis_recruitment_edition/]How about the post on t_D one day prior encouraging people to stand up against muslims, with a thread full of toxic anti-muslim meme shit?[/url] Is it possible this was an influence as well? [url=https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/6dnubd/portland_deaths_two_stabbed_trying_to_stop/di4dtmi/]How about their sub mods doubling down on the hateful racist rhetoric?[/url] [url=https://np.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/6drxv9/saturday_late_night_maga_grande_bombday_edition/]And there are even more disgusting posts in their newest hate thread, posted today.[/url] Are we truly going to ignore the effect these kinds of communities might be having on the mentally ill? Sharing the Bernie Sanders post on t_D's front page is sufficient for you?

[QUOTE=rilez;52284472][url=https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/6dgzqi/ramadan_bombathon_isis_recruitment_edition/]How about the post on t_D one day prior encouraging people to stand up against muslims, with a thread full of toxic anti-muslim meme shit?[/url] [url=https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/6dnubd/portland_deaths_two_stabbed_trying_to_stop/di4dtmi/]How about their sub mods doubling down on the hateful racist rhetoric?[/url] [url=https://np.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/6drxv9/saturday_late_night_maga_grande_bombday_edition/]Some more truly disgusting posts in their newest hate thread[/url] Are we truly going to ignore the effect these kinds of communities might be having on the mentally ill? Sharing the Bernie Sanders post on t_D's front page is sufficient for you?[/QUOTE] What's particularly sad is that this only sorta re-affirms the research that suggests that the youth are startlingly more conservative than previous generations. If this is the kinda rhetoric they're being exposed to (and a lot of these folks on The_Donald appear to be young folks), that's a whole lot of hatred and toxicity lurking under the surface of society. :frown: It's like at the dawn of a new century, we've learned nothing from the previous one when it comes to shit like this.

[QUOTE=djjkxbox;52284425]What? Yeah no one directly said he was a trump supporter but it was heavily implied by people saying that Trump's influence is causing people to hate muslims…[/QUOTE] Is it unreasonable to suggest that aggressive rhetoric towards muslims might cause more attacks against muslims?

[QUOTE=Lambeth;52284503]Is it unreasonable to suggest that aggressive rhetoric towards muslims might cause more attacks against muslims?[/QUOTE] No, but Raidyr made an invalid comment in order to make people on the other side of the argument disappear. It can be a fair discussion if people don't start lying about what people have said or are trying to say in the thread

[QUOTE=Anteep;52283995]Actually I am pretty sure Trump's part in this is miniscule, and we can conclude this based on recent history. Plus it turns out the guy hated Trump too. Have we all forgot about the attitude towards Muslims after 9/11? This behaviour towards Muslims has been going on for a long time and not just in the USA, and it always spikes up after a terrorist attack. It's what you should expect after a terrorist attack; it's not nice, but unfortunately it's what happens, and blaming Trump gives you a nice feeling and you think you're doing your part in the "good fight" - but [U][B]ignores the obvious[/B][/U].[/QUOTE] You mean just like you ignored the rest of the thread where this has been explained repeatedly to people like you who keep insisting on not reading the damned thread before posting? Let me spell this out simply for you: [I][U]Nobody is saying it's Trump's fault this guy did this.[/U][/I] Did you get that? Now to explain what people ARE saying: They are saying that Trump's xenophobic rhetoric has helped empower those who hold similar views. This doesn't even mean that they're Trump supporters. It means that they feel completely justified taking action over their shitty views. Did you actually get it that time or does someone else need to repeat it once more?

[QUOTE=djjkxbox;52284742]No, but Raidyr made an invalid comment in order to make people on the other side of the argument disappear. It can be a fair discussion if people don't start lying about what people have said or are trying to say in the thread[/QUOTE] My post wasn't invalid at all. No one said he was a Trump supporter in this thread. Just that the rhetoric that Trump and sections of the right have pushed empower people like this. Its not going to be a fair discussion at all if we are going to just ignore the fact that the whole thing started with him harassing people over their perceived criminal status purely because one of them was wearing a hijab. [editline]28th May 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Boaraes;52282980] disagree all you want, but he obviously doesn't like Trump. Can't really have your views supplemented by someone whom you don't subscribe to. He's an ultra-nationalist/racist who supports Bernie Sanders, so he's just an insane weirdo. Trump's got nothing to do with this.[/QUOTE] People are diagreeing because this is pure misdirection. Just because he hates Trump and loves Sanders doesn't mean the us vs them rhetoric pushed by some conservatives and exemplified by Trump has nothing to do with this [editline]28th May 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Anteep;52283995]Actually I am pretty sure Trump's part in this is miniscule, and we can conclude this based on recent history. Plus it turns out the guy hated Trump too. Have we all forgot about the attitude towards Muslims after 9/11? This behaviour towards Muslims has been going on for a long time and not just in the USA, and it always spikes up after a terrorist attack. It's what you should expect after a terrorist attack; it's not nice, but unfortunately it's what happens, and blaming Trump gives you a nice feeling and you think you're doing your part in the "good fight" - but ignores the obvious.[/QUOTE] I think you have misunderstood some of the posts in this thread. While anti-muslim sentiment gre after 9/11, public officials on the right at least put in an effort to alleviate it. Even on the right you had people like Bush Jr, McCain, and Romney go out of their way to make things inclusive. Of course I don't think its a coincidence thay they are referred to as 'cuckservatives' in alt right circles.

[QUOTE=Lambeth;52284503]Is it unreasonable to suggest that aggressive rhetoric towards muslims might cause more attacks against muslims?[/QUOTE] So is Bernie responsible for things like BLM violence by supporting the movement? How about the killing of police officers?

[QUOTE=sgman91;52285485]So is Bernie responsible for things like BLM violence by supporting the movement? How about the killing of police officers?[/QUOTE] Do you honestly think Bernie's rhetoric is supportive of violence

[QUOTE=Lambeth;52286314]Do you honestly think Bernie's rhetoric is supportive of violence[/QUOTE] No, of course I don't, but Trump also didn't call for violence against muslims. My point is that it's fallacious to say that those who strongly criticize are responsible for violence that they didn't call for.

[QUOTE=sgman91;52286331]No, of course I don't, but Trump also didn't call for violence against muslims. My point is that it's fallacious to say that those who strongly criticize are responsible for violence that they didn't call for.[/QUOTE] What if you ran a campaign that was uniquely supportive of [URL="http://www.mediaite.com/online/trump-tells-crowd-to-knock-the-crap-out-of-protesters-offers-to-pay-legal-fees/"]violence[/URL]?

[QUOTE=Lambeth;52286441]What if you ran a campaign that was uniquely supportive of [URL="http://www.mediaite.com/online/trump-tells-crowd-to-knock-the-crap-out-of-protesters-offers-to-pay-legal-fees/"]violence[/URL]?[/QUOTE] So a joking comment about punching a tomato throwing protester is equivalent to violently attacking people based on race? That's quite a mental leap. If you want to say that Trump is responsible for violence against muslims, then you need to show him advocating for that kind of violence. Saying that he strongly opposes muslims or that he made an offhand remark about punching a tomato throwing protester doesn't even come close. [editline]28th May 2017[/editline] I can both not support statements like that while also not making the massive leap to say that it makes him responsible for violence against against muslims.

[QUOTE=sgman91;52286476]So a joking comment about punching a tomato throwing protester is equivalent to violently attacking people based on race? That's quite a mental leap. If you want to say that Trump is responsible for violence against muslims, then you need to show him advocating for that kind of violence. Saying that he strongly opposes muslims or that he made an offhand remark about punching a tomato throwing protester doesn't even come close. [editline]28th May 2017[/editline] I can both not support statements like that while also not making the massive leap to say that it makes him responsible for violence against against muslims.[/QUOTE] I haven't said trump is violent toward muslims but I do think he has been violent in general and aggressive towards [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-Zj0tfZY6o]muslims in particular[/url] You're arguing against a point I haven't made. And yeah laugh off the tomato thing as a joke but you're ignoring the other bit where he asks people to kick the crap out of them.

[QUOTE=Lambeth;52286497]I haven't said trump is violent toward muslims but I do think he has been violent in general and aggressive towards [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-Zj0tfZY6o]muslims in particular[/url].[/QUOTE] You're using the word "aggressive" very generally. Yes, the video you posted is a very strong criticism of Islam, but you can't just equate critical language with encouraging or being responsible for violence. Bernie is extremely aggressive towards Wall Street and big banks, but I most definitely wouldn't say that he's responsible for someone who attacks a wall street exec.

[QUOTE=sgman91;52286331]No, of course I don't, but Trump also didn't call for violence against muslims. My point is that it's fallacious to say that those who strongly criticize are responsible for violence that they didn't call for.[/QUOTE] I don't remember Bernie slagging off certain segments of the population simply because of their religion or ethnic heritage? Do not try and make this comparison as you will lose every time

[QUOTE=sgman91;52286544]You're using the word "aggressive" very generally. Yes, the video you posted is a very strong criticism of Islam, but you can't just equate critical language with encouraging or being responsible for violence. Bernie is extremely aggressive towards Wall Street and big banks, but I most definitely wouldn't say that he's responsible for someone who attacks a wall street exec.[/QUOTE] Has he called for violence against wall street though? or anyone really? And I don't think he's being critical in that video, just disrespectful. Conservatives seem to have a problem distinguishing the two.

[QUOTE=Darquan90;52282585][IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DA2zNN4WsAAMla-.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DA3WQO4XUAIHWWV.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DA3WQO3XgAEH7Q1.jpg[/IMG] This guy is a legume.[/QUOTE] In light of all of this, I'm honestly surprised my hard-line Conservative friends haven't been talking about this to stir shit up with Bernie supporters.

[QUOTE=sgman91;52286544]You're using the word "aggressive" very generally. Yes, the video you posted is a very strong criticism of Islam, but you can't just equate critical language with encouraging or being responsible for violence. Bernie is extremely aggressive towards Wall Street and big banks, but I most definitely wouldn't say that he's responsible for someone who attacks a wall street exec.[/QUOTE] yeah I don't recall Bernie saying that we 'needed to go after the families of wall street execs' or advocating a nationwide ban on immigration for rich people or making up terror attacks done by executives to paint them as evil 'others'. this false equivalency is Olympic level reaching, dude.

[QUOTE=Zero-Point;52287940]In light of all of this, I'm honestly surprised my hard-line Conservative friends haven't been talking about this to stir shit up with Bernie supporters.[/QUOTE] Maybe because we realized that politicians don't dictate the actions of individuals in this case.

[QUOTE=Tudd;52288406]Maybe because we realized that politicians don't dictate the actions of individuals in this case.[/QUOTE] That hasn't stopped my hard-line Conservative friends. Hell, one of them (a veteran) even politicized Memorial Day. :disgust:

[QUOTE=Perrine;52280162]You're exactly right, this is all Trump's fault. He should be tried for murder.[/QUOTE] Dont lol Did you miss the entire election? [editline]30th May 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=1239the;52288378]yeah I don't recall Bernie saying that we 'needed to go after the families of wall street execs' or advocating a nationwide ban on immigration for rich people or making up terror attacks done by executives to paint them as evil 'others'. this false equivalency is Olympic level reaching, dude.[/QUOTE] Didn't trump also advocate going after terrorist's families Which is funny because isn't collective punishment a war crime as defined in the Geneva convention

[media]https://twitter.com/DrJillStein/status/869664530904870913[/media] Jill Stein has responded with says she not be associated this crazy murder.

You'd have to be pretty dumb to say that Stein or Sanders have any part of this. As an update, Trump tweeted this [media]https://twitter.com/POTUS/status/869204433418280961[/media] And the stabber had an [URL="http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/portland-stabbing-suspect-yells-free-speech-or-die-first-court-n766416"]outburst in court[/URL]. [QUOTE]"Free speech or die, Portland. You got no safe place," Christian said as he was being led into court from the holding area. "This is America. Get out if you don't like free speech." .... "You call it terrorism, I call it patriotism, you hear me? Die," Christian said before being led out of court. Christian also yelled "death to the enemies of America" and "death to antifa." Antifa is a name by which groups calling themselves "anti-fascist" are known. [/QUOTE]