Portland man goes on racist rant at Muslim woman, murders two men who try to calm him down - Sensationalist Headlines

[QUOTE=ChadMcGoatMan;52292506][media]https://twitter.com/DrJillStein/status/869664530904870913[/media] Jill Stein has responded with says she not be associated this crazy murder.[/QUOTE] Jill Stein has to be an idiot if she actually thinks Trump had any fault in this. The guy is clearly nuts in general.

[QUOTE]"Free speech or die, Portland. You got no safe place," Christian said as he was being led into court from the holding area. "This is America. Get out if you don't like free speech." Christian also yelled "death to the enemies of America" and "death to antifa." Antifa is a name by which groups calling themselves "anti-fascist" are known.[/QUOTE] Hmmm, I wonder where he got turned extremist? I swear, that rhetoric sounds awfully fucking familiar. :thinking: Also lol at Tudd in here doing damage control. I swear it's like conservatives can't make a connection between things if they were given fucking puzzle pieces and a walkthrough.

Right at this point I think trying to pin this guy as supporting any particular party or candidate is kinda futile, it seems like he bounced around a lot. I still do think Trump's rhetoric influenced this man though.

[QUOTE=1239the;52294136]Hmmm, I wonder where he got turned extremist? I swear, that rhetoric sounds awfully fucking familiar. :thinking: Also lol at Tudd in here doing damage control. I swear it's like conservatives can't make a connection between things if they were given fucking puzzle pieces and a walkthrough.[/QUOTE] I guess some people on here are so contorted on their world view that Trump had to have caused this that they just ignored the last page. Also because the lines "Death to Antifa" and "Death to enemies of America" totally sound familiar. :downs:

[QUOTE=Tudd;52295463]I guess some people on here are so contorted on their world view that Trump had to have caused this that they just ignored the last page. Also because the lines "Death to Antifa" and "Death to enemies of America" totally sound familiar. :downs:[/QUOTE] Why does it seem like trump is never at fault to some people

[QUOTE=Tudd;52295463]I guess some people on here are so contorted on their world view that Trump had to have caused this that they just ignored the last page. Also because the lines "Death to Antifa" and "Death to enemies of America" totally sound familiar. :downs:[/QUOTE] No one is arguing that Trump directly told him to do this through messages in TV static, Tudd. :downs:

[QUOTE=Lambeth;52295508]Why does it seem like trump is never at fault to some people[/QUOTE] Why does the it seem like Trump is always at fault to some people?

[QUOTE=sgman91;52295844]Why does the it seem like Trump is always at fault to some people?[/QUOTE] Good job proving his point.

[QUOTE=Tudd;52295463]I guess some people on here are so contorted on their world view that Trump had to have caused this that they just ignored the last page. Also because the lines "Death to Antifa" and "Death to enemies of America" totally sound familiar. :downs:[/QUOTE] I could never imagine living with the kind of mental disconnect that leads you to totally ignore the fact that violent populist rhetoric against a minority will only enable people like this guy. Like, the image of you sitting behind your monitor looking smug thinking you got a one up on the 'libtards' through -active- ignorance is pretty indicative of 2017 as a whole

[QUOTE=Lambeth;52295508]Why does it seem like trump is never at fault to some people[/QUOTE] i mean this time he's not like i don't like trump as president as much as the next guy but i mean we can't just "thanks trump" for everything racist/religiophobic that happens after the election this tension towards muslims had been ramping up ever since 9/11, and even before that(not to the same extent though) living in the US everything had infact gone to shit already even since 2007 people were already being profiled based on their clothing, and racial slurs and the term towel head was even far more prevalent back then, i honestly feel like it's now known more because it gives the news more views these days than it was back then, so it's reported far more now than not. not only that but the news, being the dying cash cow it is has been getting more and more extreme in their politics than they ever have before, to the point where i can't even solely blame trump for attacks, rather the communal effort of the news media trying to save themselves from death is to blame for a lot of it. it's just easier to say "trump did it" than it is to distribute the communal blame

[QUOTE=No Party Hats;52297203]I could never imagine living with the kind of mental disconnect that leads you to totally ignore the fact that violent populist rhetoric against a minority will only enable people like this guy. Like, the image of you sitting behind your monitor looking smug thinking you got a one up on the 'libtards' through -active- ignorance is pretty indicative of 2017 as a whole[/QUOTE] Honestly, the only mentally deficient people here are the ones that would use the same logic as people who blame video games, books, and other people for the actions of a clearly mentally disturbed individual. The guy doesn't even have any solid political ideology to base his motives on considering he voted Bernie and repeatedly shit talk Trump/Clinton and said on FB he wanted to kill their supporters. Is that really the kind of guy you can hold up and say, "Well Trump's is really what did it for him." while knowing he already had publicly called for the death Trump/Clinton Supporters months before this attack? You should really step back and observe what people are suggesting here.

[QUOTE=Fire Kracker;52297228]i mean this time he's not like i don't like trump as president as much as the next guy but i mean we can't just "thanks trump" for everything racist/religiophobic that happens after the election this tension towards muslims had been ramping up ever since 9/11, and even before that(not to the same extent though) living in the US everything had infact gone to shit already even since 2007 people were already being profiled based on their clothing, and racial slurs and the term towel head was even far more prevalent back then, i honestly feel like it's now known more because it gives the news more views these days than it was back then, so it's reported far more now than not. not only that but the news, being the dying cash cow it is has been getting more and more extreme in their politics than they ever have before, to the point where i can't even solely blame trump for attacks, rather the communal effort of the news media trying to save themselves from death is to blame for a lot of it. it's just easier to say "trump did it" than it is to distribute the communal blame[/QUOTE] Y'all seem to be misreading "Trump is emboldening terrible people with his terrible fucking rhetoric" as "Trump did it" I seriously don't know how you get that, at least from my posts in this thread.

[QUOTE=Lambeth;52297706]Y'all seem to be misreading "Trump is emboldening terrible people with his terrible fucking rhetoric" as "Trump did it" I seriously don't know how you get that, at least from my posts in this thread.[/QUOTE] me shortening what was said to "trump did it" is not to be taken literally, as he's not literally the one who's doing the crimes, nobody is that stupid what i meant was that trump isn't the sole cause for all the hatred that has been spreading throughout the US, and a lot of people seem to be pointing at trump as being the start of all of the hatred that's overcome the us over the past few years, and that his rhetoric is the reason they're becoming all emboldened now, but it's not true, the news has been doing that for years now tbh the cause that i've been seeing that has been emboldening all of these xenophobes is the fact that they all feel like they've been under attack. And they have, i was on campus when i heard some Hillary supporters screaming at some random passerbys because they were like "i'm not gonna vote" and afterwards they were like "fine i guess i'll just vote for trump", and while i don't necessarily agree with their views, even being courteous and kind around them can lead to them having a view change. Hearing "you're one of the good ones." is already a change in their views. But we can't even get to that point because of how intolerant people have become towards each other, it's really idiotic how impatient everyone is with changing peoples minds. even today people will be like "preaching peace is stupid, and it's ignoring the problem." no it's not? it's tactics, when you're impatient you just crash and burn, and you lose all your progress. a teacher doesn't call his students stupid for not knowing what they went to school for years for. like as terrible as trumps rhetoric is, the true cause i've been feeling is how impatient everyone's become, ready to snap at anything that doesn't fit their viewpoint, and it's not just one side either, everyone's seem to seclude into their own views because of how toxic this election has been, and how everyone's been feeling like they've been "attacked"(especially trump supporters, even ones who say they regret it aren't even accepted back without being snapped at? like what, i mean they've already admitted they were wrong was there any need for that childishness? do you want anybody to support you? like can you go a minute without a sick zinger and just accept their indirect apology? is forgiveness no longer a thing?) it's like stupid has come out to reign this year and everybodies mental disabilities have amplified tenfold

[QUOTE=Lambeth;52297706]Y'all seem to be misreading [B]"Trump is emboldening terrible people with his terrible fucking rhetoric"[/B] as "Trump did it" I seriously don't know how you get that, at least from my posts in this thread.[/QUOTE] That is a meaningless sentiment. All critical language emboldens those who agree with a more extreme version of that language. No one is responsible for other people twisting or misapplying their language. Moderate BLM people embolden cop killers. Moderate climate activists embolden environmental terrorists. Etc. That doesn't mean those people are wrong or shouldn't say what they're saying. We need to critique people for the actual ideas they are espousing, of which Trump has plenty of bad ones.

[QUOTE=sgman91;52297783]That is a meaningless sentiment. All critical language emboldens those who agree with a more extreme version of that language. No one is responsible for other people twisting or misapplying their language. Moderate BLM people embolden cop killers. Moderate climate activists embolden environmental terrorists. Etc. That doesn't mean those people are wrong or shouldn't say what they're saying. We need to critique people for the actual ideas they are espousing, of which Trump has plenty of bad ones.[/QUOTE] Except things like climate activists and urban systemic racism groups actually have an objectively important and useful message so your deflection kind of falls apart when you realize Trumps rhetoric of treating everyone that isn't straight, white or christian as less human than anyone who is has absolutely no use whatsoever and he shouldn't be spewing it regardless of whether or not it empowers even more unpleasant people willing to act on it violently.

[QUOTE=Xion21;52298040]Except things like climate activists and urban systemic racism groups actually have an objectively important and useful message so your deflection kind of falls apart when you realize Trumps rhetoric of treating everyone that isn't straight, white or christian as less human than anyone who is has absolutely no use whatsoever and [B]he shouldn't be spewing it regardless of whether or not it empowers even more unpleasant people willing to act on it violently.[/B][/QUOTE] I'm perfectly fine with criticizing Trump. I've never said anything against that.

[QUOTE=sgman91;52297783]That is a meaningless sentiment. All critical language emboldens those who agree with a more extreme version of that language. No one is responsible for other people twisting or misapplying their language. Moderate BLM people embolden cop killers. Moderate climate activists embolden environmental terrorists. Etc. That doesn't mean those people are wrong or shouldn't say what they're saying. We need to critique people for the actual ideas they are espousing, of which Trump has plenty of bad ones.[/QUOTE] The difference being is that Trump is easily the loudest mouth on the planet, like legitimately. There's a level of responsibility there that doesn't exist elsewhere and to try and weakly dismiss his effect on the situation is hilarious at best

[QUOTE=No Party Hats;52298289]The difference being is that Trump is easily the loudest mouth on the planet, like legitimately. There's a level of responsibility there that doesn't exist elsewhere and to try and weakly dismiss his effect on the situation is hilarious at best[/QUOTE] That's a non-sequitur to my argument. Are you saying that if a moderate BLM supporter become president and focused on real police brutality, then they would have some responsibility for people killing cops in the name of police racism? I sure hope not.

[QUOTE=sgman91;52298318]That's a non-sequitur to my argument. Are you saying that if a moderate BLM supporter become president and focused on real police brutality, then they would have some responsibility for people killing cops in the name of police racism? I sure hope not.[/QUOTE] This just feels like false equivalence since Trump is anything but moderate.

[QUOTE=Lambeth;52298338]This just feels like false equivalence since Trump is anything but moderate.[/QUOTE] He is most definitely moderate compared to someone who goes out and violently attacks a muslim on the street. That's why I listed a "moderate BLM person." Even a "moderate" person within the BLM movement is going to be extreme when compared to normal society, but that doesn't make them responsible for someone twisting their criticism of unjustified police brutality in order to justify killing police officers. [editline]31st May 2017[/editline] I also specifically used that example because there are actually people who have killed cops in the name of BLM. It has an even stronger connection than these people who have killed or attacked muslims without ever mentioning Trump.

[QUOTE=sgman91;52298400]He is most definitely moderate compared to someone who goes out and violently attacks a muslim on the street. That's why I listed a "moderate BLM person." Even a "moderate" person within the BLM movement is going to be extreme when compared to normal society, but that doesn't make them responsible for someone twisting their criticism of unjustified police brutality in order to justify killing police officers. [editline]31st May 2017[/editline] I also specifically used that example because there are actually people who have killed cops in the name of BLM. It has an even stronger connection than these people who have killed or attacked muslims without ever mentioning Trump.[/QUOTE] Man you have a really low bar for politicians if your idea of a moderate is "doesn't go out and murder people" I really don't think Black Lives Matter as a whole supports the killing of police officers.

One of their popular chants calls for dead cops dude