New Natural Selection: How Scientists Are Altering DNA To Genetically Engineer New Forms of Life
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[QUOTE=Megadave;52427710]If that isn't a band name I'm going to have to steal that.[/QUOTE]
Seems more like a genre of music to me, but w/e.
[QUOTE=Megadave;52427710]If that isn't a band name I'm going to have to steal that.[/QUOTE]
Well others name too like Biopunk.
[QUOTE=Boilermaker;52425468]I hate how every science article posted outside a journal follows this format of 'this will revolutionize your life (maybe in a decade...at best)'. Like how long has genetic engineering been just 'around the corner' for? I realize it is obviously closer now than it has ever been, but you hear it so many times that its hard to really bank on it happening even in your lifetime. Providing that you can synthesize an entire genome, you still have to be able to account for gene interaction and expression which arguably is more complicated than simply synthesizing the genome.
I guess sensationalism is really the most effective strategy for proper financial support though given how little the general public knows about science in general. It just sucks that some people will come off misunderstanding or distrusting scientific progress because of it.[/QUOTE]
dude it's journalism their job is to twist press statements into being infinitely more interesting so that you click on it and they get ad revenue
it's not the scientist's fault, it's the journalist's
[QUOTE=Boilermaker;52425468]I hate how every science article posted outside a journal follows this format of 'this will revolutionize your life (maybe in a decade...at best)'. Like how long has genetic engineering been just 'around the corner' for? I realize it is obviously closer now than it has ever been, but you hear it so many times that its hard to really bank on it happening even in your lifetime. Providing that you can synthesize an entire genome, you still have to be able to account for gene interaction and expression which arguably is more complicated than simply synthesizing the genome.
I guess sensationalism is really the most effective strategy for proper financial support though given how little the general public knows about science in general. It just sucks that some people will come off misunderstanding or distrusting scientific progress because of it.[/QUOTE]
Well, that how clickbait works these days.
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;52422959]Every dollar spent with the War on Drugs, could of spent on genetically modified catgirls. :v:[/QUOTE]
It's all catgirls in maid outfits until the Ordo Hereticus shows up.
I'm genuinely afraid that design babies and genetic engineering will be used to chase some narrow and short-sighted unpragmatic ideals, without any evolutionary benefit for species, on a massive scale, causing a collapse of the whole civilization during a long term.
Another is that it may end up into overstandardization, lowering genetic variety thus making population more vulnerable, and the systems composed of population less effective and adaptive.
[editline]4th July 2017[/editline]
And considering what direction they're going with current, eh, 'self modification' (and in this thread), seems that we're already working on a application for darwin award.
As someone who actually studies genetics at a university all I can say is you guys have nothing to fear or get excited about. All you can expect is severe genetic defects to be removed so your grandchildren won't die at a young age or they won't be able to pass on something like Huntington's disease. Real life furries won't happen and neither will a race of superhumans. The closest thing we'll get to chadmcgoatman's fantasy is a guy in a well made fursuit that had defective heart valves so they gave him ones from a pig genetically engineered to be more compatible with a human immune system
[QUOTE=Dr.C;52432174]As someone who actually studies genetics at a university all I can say is you guys have nothing to fear or get excited about. All you can expect is severe genetic defects to be removed so your grandchildren won't die at a young age or they won't be able to pass on something like Huntington's disease. [B]Real life furries won't happen and neither will a race of superhumans[/B].
The closest thing we'll get to chadmcgoatman's [B]fantasy[/B] is a guy in a well made fursuit that had defective heart valves so they gave him ones from a pig genetically engineered to be more compatible with a human immune system[/QUOTE]
Ok, But don't said it to thousands of biotechnologically favor [I]Transhumanists[/I] and other [I]Species dysphorics[/I] about this.
Plus a course this never happen yet, Like almost other things in past centuries keep staying same thing as you said "Mr." Dr.C when comes big discoveries and other 'new' technologies thought it's never happen until eventually discovered and getting them wrong.
Current (intended) path of eradicating genetical diseases, and current capabilities, does not worry me.
But i'm worried what happens in long term after genetic engineering and techniques gets popularized and available to more common folk's own uses. Like genetic eqvuivalent of private cosmetic surgery clinics, which in turn are far more harder to control and regulate.
Even when total rehaul of looks and innerworkings are utter impossibility, and the near future tools and knowledge allow only minor changes in genetic code, they're still enough to cause serious problems at wrong hands, when certain features are added and removed (more like reinforced and diminished) after certain ideals, which then begin to cumulate per generation.
[QUOTE=oskutin;52432350]But i'm worried what happens in long term after genetic engineering and techniques gets popularized and available to more common folk's own uses. Like genetic eqvuivalent of private cosmetic surgery clinics, which in turn are far more harder to control and regulate.[/QUOTE]
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Actually, I clearly do remember calling themselves as splicers (not related to BioShock's splicers even do share similar idea become mutate monsters) by episode title or officially in-universe as splicing.
my biggest worries are when people will start adding traits instead of trying to ensure their baby doesn't get a rare disease
adding traits has all sorts of potential to create fuck ups. the human body is an extremely complex machine that we barely understand (we discover new surprises practically every year about them). making genetic modifications always carries a risk, but removing traits (like sickle-cell) is much safer and easier to do than it is to give a child super-intelligence or something.
i don't fear the rich/powerful creating a race of superchildren. look at the healthcare that the rich already receive - they barely live any longer than the poor and middling classes do.
my fears will be people who will deliberately fuck about with their unborn children, unaware of the ramifications and then giving birth to (at best) stillborns, and at worst a child that appears normal, but about fifteen or twenty years later they will suddenly die or develop some awful condition nobody could have predicted
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;52432742]adding traits has all sorts of potential to create fuck ups. the human body is an extremely complex machine that we barely understand[/QUOTE]thus we must add traits to this machine through ways that are not vulnerable to the weaknesses of flesh
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[QUOTE=Joazzz;52432818]thus we must add traits to this machine through ways that are not vulnerable to the weaknesses of flesh
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Changing sophisticated self-organizing, self-repairing adaptive organism to total opposite. Good idea!
[QUOTE=ironman17;52423019]One thing's for certain: the future's not going to be cyberpunk. It's going to be biogrunge. Grim, dark and dirty, but with genetic engineering being at the forefront.[/QUOTE]
The future isn't cyberpunk.
Oh no, no such luck.
The future is fully automated luxury gay furry space communism
[QUOTE=Drury;52432920]The future isn't cyberpunk.
Oh no, no such luck.
The future is fully automated luxury gay furry space communism[/QUOTE]
Yep
[QUOTE=Drury;52432920]The future isn't cyberpunk.
Oh no, no such luck.
The future is fully automated luxury gay furry space communism[/QUOTE]actually the future is fully automated unemployed oligarchic crony capitalist dystopia, which due to the presence of furries in the other option is only slightly worse
[QUOTE=Joazzz;52433633]actually the future is fully automated unemployed oligarchic crony capitalist dystopia, [B]which due to the presence of furries in the other option is only slightly worse[/B][/QUOTE]
That makes me happy then.
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