After Minnesota police killed Australian woman who called 911, they got a warrant to search her home - Sensationalist Headlines

[QUOTE=AaronM202;52517919]Are you being sarcastic or sincere here because you already tried to ride a condescending high horse out of this conversation.[/QUOTE] I'm being sincere I had a real point I wished to argue, now that opportunity is gone because I fucked that up in my presentation, and I might not be the right person to argue it. I argued with people on the other forum I mentioned, that this wasn't racial. They argued it was, and also happened to be black. I failed at trying to represent that perspective here. That's my fault. I'm sorry.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;52517725]Weird how god knows how many black people get murdered by the police(Tamir jumps to mind) and not much happens but oh oh a white woman dies and now it's a real issue. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Threadshitting" - Kiwi))[/highlight][/QUOTE] Hey if it's okay can I also crash under that rock you've been living under?

Threadshitting aside Go on to a website like the blaze or ANY conservative pundit and read the comments in this case vs Philando Castilles case. One of them caused the police chief to resign, one did not. Do you all really honestly think the race of the woman had nothing to do with it? There is no footage of her shooting. If the person shot was black the absence of evidence would have become evidence as to why the shooting was justified. This is absolutely a tragedy but let's not critique people for "bringing race into it" because the odds that justice will be served in this instance appears incredibly likely to fall along racial lines.

[QUOTE=Flameon;52523611]Threadshitting aside Go on to a website like the blaze or ANY conservative pundit and read the comments in this case vs Philando Castilles case. One of them caused the police chief to resign, one did not. Do you all really honestly think the race of the woman had nothing to do with it? There is no footage of her shooting. If the person shot was black the absence of evidence would have become evidence as to why the shooting was justified. This is absolutely a tragedy but let's not critique people for "bringing race into it" because the odds that justice will be served in this instance appears incredibly likely to fall along racial lines.[/QUOTE] This. We can claim this has nothing to do with racism at all, but the sad fact is that police only seem to face public backlash and consequences when the victim is white or female.

[QUOTE=Redfiend;52524367]This. We can claim this has nothing to do with racism at all, but the sad fact is that police only seem to face public backlash and consequences when the victim is white or female.[/QUOTE] Except youre just incorrect. The people of Ferguson rioted for weeks on end over Brown's death, despite ample evidence at the time showing that the officer involved was justified in the shooting. People protested when officers in New York strangled an unresisting man to death. People protested over Trayvon Martins death. What youre saying simply is not true dood. Anytime a black man is killed by police where there is absolutely any potential for the black man to be innocent, it always ends with protests and riots. The entire BLM movement was founded because of this and those protests lasted for months if not years. I don't live in Minneapolis but to my knowledge theres no protests going on over this white woman, there werent any protests going on over the 6 year old white autistic boy who was shot by police in Louisiana last year, or really for any white person who is shot by police. Saying theres only public outcry when whites are shot is a complete fallacy.

If you think that there was no shitstorm over ,for example, Castile and this story is only big for race reasons... I truly hate to have to say it like this but... you probably don't spend much time around (American) black people do you? Because you can't just say "x community had no reaction" from behind your computer chair. I was in cosmetology school when Castile was shot, my [I]teacher[/I] showed us the video on her phone and we spent the whole day in the back losing our minds over how fucked up it was. Whenever one of those kinds of shootings happened I saw each angle and alternate version because it was all that was being talked about. I haven't heard anybody outside of facepunch or the news talk about this. And the reason I don't hear about it [I]IS[/I] because of race. It's not somebody in the community getting killed that gets people mad, that happens every day. It's being told "I mean I'm totally sorry your father's dead, but for a couple of seconds I thought he might have been a criminal! Oh well, better luck next time because I won't go to jail for this!" [B]consistently[/B]. It's truly a shame this lady died, but I guarantee nobody in her life though "Damn, again?!"

[QUOTE=Cyke Lon bee;52525155]Except youre just incorrect. The people of Ferguson rioted for weeks on end over Brown's death, despite ample evidence at the time showing that the officer involved was justified in the shooting. People protested when officers in New York strangled an unresisting man to death. People protested over Trayvon Martins death. What youre saying simply is not true dood. Anytime a black man is killed by police where there is absolutely any potential for the black man to be innocent, it always ends with protests and riots. The entire BLM movement was founded because of this and those protests lasted for months if not years. I don't live in Minneapolis but to my knowledge theres no protests going on over this white woman, there werent any protests going on over the 6 year old white autistic boy who was shot by police in Louisiana last year, or really for any white person who is shot by police. Saying theres only public outcry when whites are shot is a complete fallacy.[/QUOTE] The point is that BLM is a very minor slice of the public that often lacks the public pressure to change things. AKA: its a minority group (not just in the sense of being a racial minority, but in the sense of not having a "large mass of people") of dedicated activists putting pressure on the government and that pressure is either consistently ignored or their pressure is denigrated. Thats why when Castile died the police chief did not resign, but DID resign in this instance. That's because one of these killings motivated sufficient public pressure on the state to change things because it resonated with a much larger slice of Minnesota's demographics. And that segment isn't "Australians living in Minnesota," it is more apt to say its "white people"

[QUOTE=Cyke Lon bee;52525155]Except youre just incorrect. The people of Ferguson rioted for weeks on end over Brown's death, despite ample evidence at the time showing that the officer involved was justified in the shooting. People protested when officers in New York strangled an unresisting man to death. People protested over Trayvon Martins death. What youre saying simply is not true dood. Anytime a black man is killed by police where there is absolutely any potential for the black man to be innocent, it always ends with protests and riots. The entire BLM movement was founded because of this and those protests lasted for months if not years. I don't live in Minneapolis but to my knowledge theres no protests going on over this white woman, there werent any protests going on over the 6 year old white autistic boy who was shot by police in Louisiana last year, or really for any white person who is shot by police. Saying theres only public outcry when whites are shot is a complete fallacy.[/QUOTE] You are still cherrypicking a few instances where there was public outcry over (un)justified police shootings. The sad fact is that there are plenty more instances that fly under the radar. You never hear about this sort of brutality in Australia and you know why? Our police are trained to only resort to lethal means of pacification when [b]ALL[/b] else fails. We have more cops armed with Tasers than guns. Perhaps if your country didn't dig it's heels in every time someone suggests to lighten up on your gun culture, this discussion would never need to take place, but hey, you do you america. Just stay in the naughty corner while you do so. Oh and because I can't resist the opportunity to do so... "you're"

[QUOTE=.Isak.;52517924]This is why you need to word things carefully, or you get people ganging up on you even though you are definitively correct. Black lives are portrayed less in the media than white lives - especially the life of a young, attractive woman. Hell, I heard more from my immediate family about the Minneapolis cop who non-fatally shot two [I]dogs[/I] than I heard them talk about Castile or any other shooting event. As another Minnesota example, the kidnapping of Jacob Wetterling in 1989 received an unbelievable amount of media coverage and prompted a national child safety scare. Even searching for recent news on kidnappings in Minnesota, a solid quarter of them are about "remembering" Wetterling. Yet, federal statistics show that minority children make up 65% of non-family abductions, and 42% of the total are black. When was the last time you saw even [I]local[/I] coverage for the abduction of a black child? Why is that not shown nearly as frequently in media? The media fails to fairly represent minority groups, and it reinforces these (often unconscious) racial biases that people have. Time and time again, people justify a police murder by saying that they must've been doing something wrong. Nobody [I]ever[/I] implied that Damond was doing something wrong, yet the go-to defense that the police used against Castile was... weed. Because we all know that it's very dangerous. There are these implicit racial biases, and it's understandably frustrating for minorities especially. But when you bring up these blatantly obvious racial biases, people get [I]immediately[/I] defensive, because people think you're calling them racist. Sure, maybe they are, but they aren't necessarily aware of those biases. Everybody has those biases - [B]everybody[/B]. Instead of coming straight out and saying that, and putting people on the defensive (which never works in drawing sympathy or changing public opinion), you need to point out where the similarities exist between the Castile case and the Damond case. If you want to convince people to take action on police brutality, you don't go "well she was white so of course people care, why didn't they care before." You go "this is just one of many cases of police abuse of power, here are others (who are black), this is more than just a racial issue, we need to fix this."[/QUOTE] You are correct and that you are correct is absolutely pathetic. HumanAbyss was fucking [I]right[/I] but you have to baby people and pretend to not know what's going on or they lose their fucking minds and silence you with unabashedly fallacious arguments that they know as well as you do are intentionally misrepresenting your point to get a nice big mob going and maybe even a ban to save them the trouble if they're lucky. Cops do the same shit every day to brown people and the media actively helps drag the names and memories of their victims through the mud, but now that standard procedure is being applied to a pretty white woman there's investigative journalism afoot and gents we're about to blow the lid off this case! You approach this fact in any way that isn't like playing hide-and-seek with a toddler and pretending you're just as oblivious to their dad's shoes sticking out from under a curtain as they are, like "Hmmmm do you think there could be some baldfaced racist shit going on? Let's think carefully and look for clues!", then [I]you're[/I] the bad guy for not leaving any gotchas or escape clauses for people to exempt themselves from culpability with. I'm interested to see how the "hey now let's consider other contributing factors" approach to sweeping systemic racial violence under the rug works in the long run, because a lot of people seem to be hedging their bets that the institution's victims are going to be just fine with being silenced and marginalized forever instead of switching from megaphones to fire.

[QUOTE=GunFox;52517636]I can't speak for that state, but for mine a search warrant would be necessary following that sort of shooting simply to conduct the investigation of the homicide. The search warrant would be a little more clear, however. It is a weirdly laid out warrant and may just be the result of laziness. I'm not defending them, merely pointing out that a search warrant is often part of the investigation and that the content of the warrant is the weird, but not necessarily damning, part of this article.[/QUOTE] Completely standard procedure.

[QUOTE=Code3Response;52526488]Completely standard procedure.[/QUOTE] A cop can set a babe on fire and giggling maniacly and you will still come up with bullshit to defend them. This is not standard procedure.

[QUOTE=Sky King;52526505]A cop can set a babe on fire and giggling maniacly and you will still come up with bullshit to defend them. This is not standard procedure.[/QUOTE] Yes it is. The reasons in the article that show why they were searching is boiler plate language. They needed the warrant to confirm her identity and place of residence. You cant just walk into someones house and take items (if needed). Next thing you're going to try to say is that you dont need a warrant for a crime scene. But please, tell me more how this isnt going to be standard procedure since you obviously know about when and why you need a warrant.

[QUOTE=Redfiend;52525717]You are still cherrypicking a few instances where there was public outcry over (un)justified police shootings. The sad fact is that there are plenty more instances that fly under the radar. You never hear about this sort of brutality in Australia and you know why? Our police are trained to only resort to lethal means of pacification when [b]ALL[/b] else fails. We have more cops armed with Tasers than guns. Perhaps if your country didn't dig it's heels in every time someone suggests to lighten up on your gun culture, this discussion would never need to take place, but hey, you do you america. Just stay in the naughty corner while you do so. Oh and because I can't resist the opportunity to do so... "you're"[/QUOTE] So now youre not only moving the goal posts, but moving them to a whole 'nother field and nitpicking my grammar (when I'm on mobile) GG dood.

[QUOTE=Sky King;52526505]A cop can set a babe on fire and giggling maniacly and you will still come up with bullshit to defend them. This is not standard procedure.[/QUOTE] An off-duty officer could piss in a bin and you'd still make a thread about it. "You are wrong because you are" is not a valid argument.

[QUOTE=.Isak.;52517924]This is why you need to word things carefully, or you get people ganging up on you even though you are definitively correct. Black lives are portrayed less in the media than white lives - especially the life of a young, attractive woman. Hell, I heard more from my immediate family about the Minneapolis cop who non-fatally shot two [I]dogs[/I] than I heard them talk about Castile or any other shooting event. As another Minnesota example, the kidnapping of Jacob Wetterling in 1989 received an unbelievable amount of media coverage and prompted a national child safety scare. Even searching for recent news on kidnappings in Minnesota, a solid quarter of them are about "remembering" Wetterling. Yet, federal statistics show that minority children make up 65% of non-family abductions, and 42% of the total are black. When was the last time you saw even [I]local[/I] coverage for the abduction of a black child? Why is that not shown nearly as frequently in media? The media fails to fairly represent minority groups, and it reinforces these (often unconscious) racial biases that people have. Time and time again, people justify a police murder by saying that they must've been doing something wrong. Nobody [I]ever[/I] implied that Damond was doing something wrong, yet the go-to defense that the police used against Castile was... weed. Because we all know that it's very dangerous. There are these implicit racial biases, and it's understandably frustrating for minorities especially. But when you bring up these blatantly obvious racial biases, people get [I]immediately[/I] defensive, because people think you're calling them racist. Sure, maybe they are, but they aren't necessarily aware of those biases. Everybody has those biases - [B]everybody[/B]. Instead of coming straight out and saying that, and putting people on the defensive (which never works in drawing sympathy or changing public opinion), you need to point out where the similarities exist between the Castile case and the Damond case. If you want to convince people to take action on police brutality, you don't go "well she was white so of course people care, why didn't they care before." You go "this is just one of many cases of police abuse of power, here are others (who are black), this is more than just a racial issue, we need to fix this."[/QUOTE] Seconding this, Precious Doe was a case that happened here in Missouri and that poor girl had to be decapitated and lack an identity for anyone to give a shit. It's not national headlines when a little black girl dies unless it's some jigsaw puzzlebox mystery shit.

[QUOTE=Flameon;52525366]The point is that BLM is a very minor slice of the public that often lacks the public pressure to change things. AKA: its a minority group (not just in the sense of being a racial minority, but in the sense of not having a "large mass of people") of dedicated activists putting pressure on the government and that pressure is either consistently ignored or their pressure is denigrated. Thats why when Castile died the police chief did not resign, but DID resign in this instance. That's because one of these killings motivated sufficient public pressure on the state to change things because it resonated with a much larger slice of Minnesota's demographics. And that segment isn't "Australians living in Minnesota," it is more apt to say its "white people"[/QUOTE] From CNN [Quote]Harteau, chief since 2013, said the killing of Justine Ruszczyk was among several factors that led her to step down. "Last Saturday's tragedy, as well as some other recent incidents, have caused me to engage in deep reflection," she said in a statement. "I've decided I am willing to step aside to let a fresh set of leadership eyes see what more can be done for the MPD to be the very best it can be."[/quote] The police chief in Minneapolis did not resign soley because of this incident, but because Minneapolis police are fucking awful and her leadership sucks. Castilles death lead to this result. Claiming that people only care when whites are killed is just stupid. More whites are shot by cops than blacks each year, granted per capita blacks are shot more, but you don't think that the greater number of whites in America would be more upset about the number of white people being killed by police? Upset over police violence in the US is not an issue exclusice to blacks or other minorities. Claiming theres no accountability or public outcry unless a white person is shot is just blatantly wrong. Futhermore, you shouldn't expect a police chief to resign over one of their officers actions to begin with. Its like asking Bush to resign over FEMA's late response during Katrina. You can't really hold a figurehead accountable for the actions of an individual. The police chief in Minneapolis resigned because her precinct has been consistently fucking up under her command, her complete lack of leadership, and inability to play nice with the city's leadership. The mayor asked for her resignation in the first place, else she probably would have stayed at her post and continued to butcher the MPD. [editline]1st August 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=.Isak.;52517924]This is why you need to word things carefully, or you get people ganging up on you even though you are definitively correct. Black lives are portrayed less in the media than white lives - especially the life of a young, attractive woman. Hell, I heard more from my immediate family about the Minneapolis cop who non-fatally shot two [I]dogs[/I] than I heard them talk about Castile or any other shooting event. As another Minnesota example, the kidnapping of Jacob Wetterling in 1989 received an unbelievable amount of media coverage and prompted a national child safety scare. Even searching for recent news on kidnappings in Minnesota, a solid quarter of them are about "remembering" Wetterling. Yet, federal statistics show that minority children make up 65% of non-family abductions, and 42% of the total are black. When was the last time you saw even [I]local[/I] coverage for the abduction of a black child? Why is that not shown nearly as frequently in media? The media fails to fairly represent minority groups, and it reinforces these (often unconscious) racial biases that people have. Time and time again, people justify a police murder by saying that they must've been doing something wrong. Nobody [I]ever[/I] implied that Damond was doing something wrong, yet the go-to defense that the police used against Castile was... weed. Because we all know that it's very dangerous. There are these implicit racial biases, and it's understandably frustrating for minorities especially. But when you bring up these blatantly obvious racial biases, people get [I]immediately[/I] defensive, because people think you're calling them racist. Sure, maybe they are, but they aren't necessarily aware of those biases. Everybody has those biases - [B]everybody[/B]. Instead of coming straight out and saying that, and putting people on the defensive (which never works in drawing sympathy or changing public opinion), you need to point out where the similarities exist between the Castile case and the Damond case. If you want to convince people to take action on police brutality, you don't go "well she was white so of course people care, why didn't they care before." You go "this is just one of many cases of police abuse of power, here are others (who are black), this is more than just a racial issue, we need to fix this."[/QUOTE] Comparing the Castille to Dammond is just dumb dood. Castille literally told a cop that he had a firearm on his person and appeared to be reaching for it, while Dammond walked up to the squad car and was shot unprovoked. Apples to oranges dood. While the media tends to report less on black kidnappings as opposed to white ones, thanks Nancy Grace, that doesn't mean those cases arent getting the same focus as white ones are by police. You know, the guys that actually do the work to find them. But just becausw US media sucks in general, that doesn't mean every person is biased on a subconscious level.