Acid attack victim testifies, via recording, at his own murder trial - Sensationalist Headlines

[QUOTE=_Maverick_;52869686]What alternative is there. Acid attacks are on the rise and the [I]general[/I] public have no need for dangerous highly corrosive chemicals. (not counting household bleach etc because I assume that's not what's being used in attacks) This is a logical step to take imo[/QUOTE] The problem is that most of these chemicals have legitimate uses, if not necessarily at the concentrations used in these attacks. Hydrochloric acid is used to keep swimming pools sterilized, for example.

I mean, haven't people been charged for murder or manslaughter in Britain for bullying people into suicide? How is this anything different, besides the fact that it's not just picking on the vulnerabilities of someone's mind, and instead just completely destroying every aspect of their life in a few seconds.

[QUOTE=Quiet;52869672]As an amateur chemist, can't wait for another set of compounds to be highly restricted and associated with criminal behavior, thanks to some assholes misusing them. :hammered: [/QUOTE] How am I gonna get my sulphuric acid fix now??? I'll have to go back on my combination of fluorine, uranium, carbon, potassium, and uranium to stave off the shakes!!!

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I mean even if you ban "high concentrations" of sulfuric acid it doesnt take much to look up a guide to concentrate it from lower concentrations [editline]8th November 2017[/editline] And at the end of the day it would probably do more damage if you got a battery powered electric kettle and poured boiling water on someone so I dont think acid is really that much of a problem

[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;52869901]You need to deal with the problems that are leading people to gangs, and actually put violent offenders behind bars with great offenses. Also make other methods of gang warfare more accessible, because the reason they are using acid is purely thanks to the fact that other methods are unavailable.[/QUOTE] Say wa son This was a jilted ex lover

[QUOTE=Amber902;52871829]I mean even if you ban "high concentrations" of sulfuric acid it doesnt take much to look up a guide to concentrate it from lower concentrations [editline]8th November 2017[/editline] And at the end of the day it would probably do more damage if you got a battery powered electric kettle and poured boiling water on someone so I dont think acid is really that much of a problem[/QUOTE] Distilling sulfuric acid is actually quite impractical: it requires a lot of energy (98% sulfuric acid boils at 338°C), is insanely dangerous, and just not worth the effort. Someone looking to carry out a crime is unlikely to bother with it. In that sense, limiting its availability certainly would reduce its use in acid attacks, but there really isn't much sense in banning it outright.

[QUOTE=Headhumpy;52871850]Distilling sulfuric acid is actually quite impractical: it requires a lot of energy (98% sulfuric acid boils at 330°C), is insanely dangerous, and just not worth the effort. Someone looking to carry out a crime is unlikely to bother with it. In that sense, limiting its availability certainly would reduce its use in acid attacks, but there really isn't much sense in banning it outright.[/QUOTE] Of course reducing the availability of acid will lower the amount of attacks using acid. I don't think it will actually stop any attacks though since people have a plethora of perilous pourables at their disposal even without acid specifically

Apolagies if this is getting into some pretty grisley details, but how exactly can a single cup of acid cause paralysis and the loss of a leg? Blindness and chemical burns, I can understand. But all the other stuff? I'm no chemist, but that seems pretty intense for what was supposedly a "single glass" of the stuff. It sounds more like the guy was effectively [I]drenched[/I] in the stuff. Unless, of course, the paralysis/limb loss was a result of the toxicity rather than the corrosiveness? I know certain sulfur compounds can fuck up the human body in a number of ways, and I suspect sulfuric acid is toxic enough to kill without the caustic effects. But even so, I can't help feeling that this guy's injuries were far too severe to be the result of a single glass. Can someone with some chemistry know-how fill me in? Acid scares the crap out of me enough as it is. I had no idea it was capable of [I]that[/I] much damage.

[QUOTE=Ona;52873889]Apolagies if this is getting into some pretty grisley details, but how exactly can a single cup of acid cause paralysis and the loss of a leg? Blindness and chemical burns, I can understand. But all the other stuff? I'm no chemist, but that seems pretty intense for what was supposedly a "single glass" of the stuff. It sounds more like the guy was effectively [I]drenched[/I] in the stuff. Unless, of course, the paralysis/limb loss was a result of the toxicity rather than the corrosiveness? I know certain sulfur compounds can fuck up the human body in a number of ways, and I suspect sulfuric acid is toxic enough to kill without the caustic effects. But even so, I can't help feeling that this guy's injuries were far too severe to be the result of a single glass. Can someone with some chemistry know-how fill me in? Acid scares the crap out of me enough as it is. I had no idea it was capable of [I]that[/I] much damage.[/QUOTE] Acid can rapidly eat through flesh and skin, even bone, so if it ate through his neck and spine it might have caused such an effect. The toxicity effects primarily affect the lungs if inhaled and the esophagus and stomach if ingested, causing narrowing, strictures, asthma/COPD, among various other things. As a bonus, attempting to induce vomiting in a victim of ingested corrosives is a big no-no.

[QUOTE=Zonesylvania;52874042]Acid can rapidly eat through flesh and skin, even bone, so if it ate through his neck and spine it might have caused such an effect. The toxicity effects primarily affect the lungs if inhaled and the esophagus and stomach if ingested, causing narrowing, strictures, asthma/COPD, among various other things. As a bonus, attempting to induce vomiting in a victim of ingested corrosives is a big no-no.[/QUOTE] Jeez... I mean I knew sulfuric acid was a major irritant to airways and can blind you quicker than a laser, but knowing it can eat right through bone like that? Yeuch... I'm surprised the poor guy was able to survive the initial attack, if it was that bad! Especially losing a leg like that. Wouldn't having serious damage to that area put you at a huge risk of bleeding out? Either way, this shit is terrifying. It takes a special kind of sick brain to willingly do that to somebody. I can understand people hurting eachother over fouled relationships. Even murder, to an extent. But the sheer cruelty on display here makes me shudder to think about. I hope I never meet someone like that.

[QUOTE=Ona;52874056]Jeez... I mean I knew sulfuric acid was a major irritant to airways and can blind you quicker than a laser, but knowing it can eat right through bone like that? Yeuch... I'm surprised the poor guy was able to survive the initial attack, if it was that bad! Especially losing a leg like that. Wouldn't having serious damage to that area put you at a huge risk of bleeding out? Either way, this shit is terrifying. It takes a special kind of sick brain to willingly do that to somebody. I can understand people hurting eachother over fouled relationships. Even murder, to an extent. But the sheer cruelty on display here makes me shudder to think about. I hope I never meet someone like that.[/QUOTE] Remember, corrosive burns are very similar to regular burns, insofar as the central part of the affected area shows coagulative necrosis. Essentially you won't see so much bleeding as you'll see fluid loss, like you see in any other burn, but even fluid loss can cause shock if too much is lost. Liquefactive necrosis, as caused by corrosive alkalis however, is far more likely to cause bleeding in case of damaged vessels, as far as I know. Hydrofluoric acid is the exception as it too causes liquefactive necrosis like a corrosive alkali.

[QUOTE=Zonesylvania;52874115]Remember, corrosive burns are very similar to regular burns, insofar as the central part of the affected area shows coagulative necrosis. Essentially you won't see so much bleeding as you'll see fluid loss, like you see in any other burn, but even fluid loss can cause shock if too much is lost. Liquefactive necrosis, as caused by corrosive alkalis however, is far more likely to cause bleeding in case of damaged vessels, as far as I know. Hydrofluoric acid is the exception as it too causes liquefactive necrosis like a corrosive alkali.[/QUOTE] And so I gain more things to add to my "reasons why acid scares the shit out of me" list. I know just enough science talk to now understand that alkaline (and hydrofluric) acids bascically cause you to [I]melt.[/I] Thanks, science.

[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;52869901]You need to deal with the problems that are leading people to gangs, and actually put violent offenders behind bars with great offenses. Also make other methods of gang warfare more accessible, because the reason they are using acid is purely thanks to the fact that other methods are unavailable.[/QUOTE] This appears to be a crime of passion, not gang related.

[QUOTE=LAMB SAUCE;52869763]You're allowed to take small amounts home with you from most labs as long as it's reasonable. Obviously not controlled substances such as cyanide or barbituric acid though, but there's pretty much acetone, chloroform, acids, bases and shelves full or chemicals at your disposal. As an amateur chemist, you should know this. Also not murder because there was no intent to kill.[/QUOTE] Murder requires intent to kill or do serious harm, not just intent to kill.

[QUOTE=Ona;52874152]And so I gain more things to add to my "reasons why acid scares the shit out of me" list. I know just enough science talk to now understand that alkaline (and hydrofluric) acids bascically cause you to [I]melt.[/I] Thanks, science.[/QUOTE] The common acids aren't [i]that[/i] scary on their own as long as they don't get in your eyes. Sulfuric acid just violently protonates things like water, which means sugars (and cellulose) don't fare too well in contact with it. Thankfully the topmost layers of your skin are mostly protected by protein, so until it penetrates that you don't really have a problem. Nitric acid does react with keratin though.

[QUOTE=LAMB SAUCE;52869763]Also not murder because there was no intent to kill.[/QUOTE] She threw sulfuric acid at him, a chemical which is well known for its destructive properties. Whether she "intended" to kill him is irrelevant in the light of how she performed an act whose consequence is inherently extremely destructive. It's like if you shot someone in the face and then claimed you didn't expect them to die of a bullet going through their skull.

I hope they really throw the book at her. She needs to be made an example of to show people that mindlessly throwing some acid for 'revenge' will take away the rest of your life. Maybe if other assholes see her get 30 or so years behind bars they'll think twice about doing something similar.

People who commit acid attacks should be locked up for life regardless of whether the victim takes their own life or not.

[QUOTE=_Maverick_;52869686]What alternative is there. Acid attacks are on the rise and the [I]general[/I] public have no need for dangerous highly corrosive chemicals. (not counting household bleach etc because I assume that's not what's being used in attacks) This is a logical step to take imo[/QUOTE] yeah they do, otherwise pools will not exist. and even if they super fucking illegal, people can just buy a car battery. god the kneejerk reactionary bullshit the first half of the first page make me glad none of them are in charge of anything.

I didn't know sulphuric acid was [I]that[/I] nasty. I once had 48% concentrate spilled on my face and into my open eyes in a work-related incident, but after ~half an hour of irritating burn on my face and eyes it mostly stopped hurting. Lucky I'm not blind! I'm guessing that she used 99.99% concentration though, and obviously he didn't have any immediate way to wash it off like I did.

[QUOTE=Nebukadnezzer;52876243]yeah they do, otherwise pools will not exist. and even if they super fucking illegal, people can just buy a car battery. god the kneejerk reactionary bullshit the first half of the first page make me glad none of them are in charge of anything.[/QUOTE] You must have taken one hell of a whack to the head if you think concentrated sulfuric acid is used in pools.

[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;52869901]You need to deal with the problems that are leading people to gangs, and actually put violent offenders behind bars with great offenses. Also make other methods of gang warfare more accessible, because the reason they are using acid is purely thanks to the fact that other methods are unavailable.[/QUOTE] Is this a late entry for most bizarre post of 2017

[QUOTE=UncleJimmema;52869895]I think it's kind of funny that banning certain amounts of acid had become something on the table. The only reason it's being used as much as it is is because other methods aren't as available. So let's pretend you do end up regulating acids, what about strong bases? What's to stop someone from concentrating bleach? Acid attacks are a social problem, and regulating acids isn't going to solve the root of the problem.[/QUOTE] An alarming number of people don't even know what a base is, or the fact that a strong base is just as bad as a strong acid.

[QUOTE=Chris Morris;52876305]You must have taken one hell of a whack to the head if you think concentrated sulfuric acid is used in pools.[/QUOTE] Muriatic and sulfuric acid are the two main acid types used for pools, and you can concentrate either by simply boiling it on the stove. This is not high technology we're dealing with, and strong acids and bases have extremely common everyday applications. Trying to ban them is extremely reactionary.

Yeah, banning acid because it's dangerous sounds about as idiotic as banning kitchen knives because they're sharp.

[QUOTE=Ona;52873889]Apolagies if this is getting into some pretty grisley details, but how exactly can a single cup of acid cause paralysis and the loss of a leg? Blindness and chemical burns, I can understand. But all the other stuff? I'm no chemist, but that seems pretty intense for what was supposedly a "single glass" of the stuff. It sounds more like the guy was effectively [I]drenched[/I] in the stuff. Unless, of course, the paralysis/limb loss was a result of the toxicity rather than the corrosiveness? I know certain sulfur compounds can fuck up the human body in a number of ways, and I suspect sulfuric acid is toxic enough to kill without the caustic effects. But even so, I can't help feeling that this guy's injuries were far too severe to be the result of a single glass. Can someone with some chemistry know-how fill me in? Acid scares the crap out of me enough as it is. I had no idea it was capable of [I]that[/I] much damage.[/QUOTE] The damage acids cause is largely dependent on how long it stays in contact with your body. You could dip your hand in pretty strong acids without harm if you wash it off right quick. This guy, I suppose didn't get that sort of emergency care.

[QUOTE=Steam-Pixie;52870404]Lock up that psycho bitch for life. She "claimed" that she "thought it was a glass of water" she threw on him as well :why:[/QUOTE] I was going to make a joke about all the times I've accidently poured myself a glass of sulphuric acid instead of water, but then I read the reason she claimed that it was water, trying to pin it on the late victim "sneaking the acid into the glass without her knowledge" and just nah. It's literally impossible for me to imagine being so vile that you could not only: a) read about acid attacks and consider doing it to someone b) follow through with searching the Internet and spending money ordering acid, with the express intention of using that to harm someone c) once the acid has arrived, pouring it into a glass and then taking that glass and throwing it over a completely unsuspecting fellow human being And then finally, after the attack has paralysed and lead that person to assisted suicide to make their painful existence end, argue in a court of law that the deceased victim attempted to murder her with the poison that she ordered, and that she naturally threw what she believed to be water over him, as if that is a thing that people do. Oh and she also shouted that if she couldn't have her no-one would. There are so many points when even very bitter and malicious people would stop and reconsider their actions, and she just didn't.

You cannot confuse concentrated sulfuric acid for water. There's a reason it's called 'oil of vitriol'

[QUOTE=catbarf;52876573]Muriatic and sulfuric acid are the two main acid types used for pools, and [B]you can concentrate either by simply boiling it on the stove.[/B] This is not high technology we're dealing with, and strong acids and bases have extremely common everyday applications. Trying to ban them is extremely reactionary.[/QUOTE] i hope your kitchen is outdoors