Christian thrown out of university over anti-gay remarks posted on Facebook loses appeal - Sensationalist Headlines

[QUOTE=MrJazzy;52828153]If people wanna have homophobic views, religious or not, fine, but keep em to yourself.[/QUOTE] It isn't even his view in question though, he is stating the Bible calls homosexuality a sin. That's all lmao.

[QUOTE=ilikecorn;52828067]But thats not how christianity works, a christian is supposed to understand that all of us have sinned, therefore no one but god can judge people. The "im better than you" crowd arent real christians, they're just using the religion to stroke their own ego. As a christian one is supposed to be brotherly to all peoples, regardless of what's going on in the other person's life.[/QUOTE] I absolutely agree with you. I've met and interacted with many Christians and they're some of the nicest people I've dealt with. But I think that's because they understand their own beliefs. The "I'm better than you" crowd is just a bunch of douchebags who want to justify their ignorance with some of the less-savory beliefs (for lack of a better word; I get that not everyone believes those) of an otherwise kind group of people. I guess a bigger backlash would be nice. Reject the people who justify their homophobia with "God says it's okay" and eventually nobody will believe them.

[QUOTE=Tudd;52828154]No, I would read the thread. I would be interested in why any religious group got kicked out of a graduate program since it deals with topics I deal with myself. And yes, this judgement is complete BS regardless of the religion and I would say exactly the same thing right now in it. I guess I misread and happy to agree with you, but I strongly disagree with this sentiment I would ignore a similar thread.[/QUOTE] Under that rationale you then should understand why it's BS to allow "Christian" bakeries deny gays wedding cakes, or any other service. They're both private institutions afterall.

[QUOTE=UncleJimmema;52828175]Under that rationale you then should understand why it's BS to allow "Christian" bakeries deny gays wedding cakes, or any other service. They're both private institutions afterall.[/QUOTE] Unless I am missing something, this is a public university, correct? I mean if he is in a private institution, it is whatever their desire and expectations to throw out a student; but a public university in the UK has an expectation to let various backgrounds of religious faiths to be able to practice their views (unless it is something drastically different from the typical I am not aware of), even if they sometimes conflict their ideal of tolerance, because pretty much all religions by default discriminate. And like I said, if that is the case you can kick out the guy for pointing out the obvious in Christian belief, then pretty much every traditional religious person is screwed or take up that field.

[QUOTE=Hilton;52828159]It isn't even his view in question though, he is stating the Bible calls homosexuality a sin. That's all lmao.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Article]“same-sex marriage is a sin whether we like it or not. It is God’s words and man’s sentiments would not change His words.” ... "I am very disappointed by this ruling, which supports the university’s decision to bar me from my chosen career because of my Biblical views on sexual ethics."[/QUOTE] These are absolutely his views, he's using the bible as justification.

lol my dude if you're trying to go into a career involving social services you're pretty much required to be unbiased and keep your views to yourself Tudd, since you'd "defend this guy if he was muslim", would you defend him if he was saying that it was shameful that all women don't wear the headscarf or fast during ramadan?

[QUOTE=Tudd;52828099]If they kicked out a Muslim student for the exact same views I would be calling the exact same bullshit right now. You simply don't realize how many people this effects since it throws anyone with traditional views on their holy texts under the bus when they are otherwise a fully functional person in society.[/QUOTE] As opposed to throwing gays under the bus for the crime of being gay? Nah, fuck using "religious freedom" as their excuse to be bigoted assholes. It's anti christian to hate gays, don't try to change the narrative to "religious freedom" when the vast majority of christians don't give a shit about peoples orientation, like normal people. And I call bullshit on that first claim, you would not have shed a single tear if he was muslim. Don't pretend to actually care about religious freedoms If you're only doing it when you're defending bigots. Your intentions are very transparent, at least be honest about them.

If you believe the Bible is literally God's word and still worship him despite how fucked up the shit he says is, I wouldn't consider you a balanced and empathetic person TBH, and I'm pretty sure those are required qualities to be a social worker.

[QUOTE=LZTYBRN;52828215]lol my dude if you're trying to go into a career involving social services you're pretty much required to be unbiased and keep your views to yourself Tudd, since you'd "defend this guy if he was muslim", would you defend him if he was saying that it was shameful that all women don't wear the headscarf or fast during ramadan?[/QUOTE] Depends on what careers in social service he wanted to do before the university killed any possibility. There are plenty of counselors, support groups, and organizations that could have used his skills with a religious basis or even his own private practice. There are so many places for a religious social worker it is laughable to kick this guy out on that basis alone. And all of these organizations have views others will find terrible or outdated, but they have a right to exist, and band their resources for their lawful social work even if you disagree with their beliefs. Now if his MA [b]only[/b] led into a government job, and that is the standard he had to upheld was British equality laws; Then I will gladly change my tune, but I can't find out where his career was going to go afterwards. And for the last question, if the guy was in a government job, no, because the expectations are different, but if this theoretical person was a private counselor or in a organization based on Islamic beliefs, totally. I would criticize the belief, but not suggest law to stop his religious freedom.

[QUOTE=Loth;52828216]As opposed to throwing gays under the bus for the crime of being gay? Nah, fuck using "religious freedom" as their excuse to be bigoted assholes. It's anti christian to hate gays, don't try to change the narrative to "religious freedom" when the vast majority of christians don't give a shit about peoples orientation, like normal people. And I call bullshit on that first claim, you would not have shed a single tear if he was muslim. Don't pretend to actually care about religious freedoms If you're only doing it when you're defending bigots. Your intentions are very transparent, at least be honest about them.[/QUOTE] He's not hating gays.

[QUOTE=Hilton;52828255]He's not hating gays.[/QUOTE] He just thinks that their existence is a violation of the divine law given by the all wise all powerful ruler of the universe.

[QUOTE=Hilton;52828255]He's not hating gays.[/QUOTE] He's jumping to defend bigots who do, while pretending to care about lgbt issues in other threads. I'm calling out his bs and never said he hated gays himself. It's up to him to decide that.

[QUOTE=BelatedGamer;52828270]He just thinks that their existence is a violation of the divine law given by the all wise all powerful ruler of the universe.[/QUOTE] Because that's what it says in the Bible. That has nothing to do with how he should treat homosexuals, or if they're good people or not. As said before a true Christian knows everyone is a sinner and treats them all with equal respect. [editline]27th October 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Loth;52828291]He's jumping to defend bigots who do, while pretending to care about lgbt issues in other threads. I'm calling out his bs and never said he hated gays himself. It's up to him to decide that.[/QUOTE] I'm not talking about tudd, we all know how tudd really feels about these things.

[QUOTE=ilikecorn;52828067]But thats not how christianity works, a christian is supposed to understand that all of us have sinned, therefore no one but god can judge people. The "im better than you" crowd arent real christians, they're just using the religion to stroke their own ego. As a christian one is supposed to be brotherly to all peoples, regardless of what's going on in the other person's life.[/QUOTE] Like Jesus going up to prostitutes and drunks and hanging with them while the religious people of the age were screaming at him for associating with the sinners and not with them.

What, did you guys think that a old fashioned christian is gonna be love dovey about gays? I thought we learned about this when they asked the duck dynasty people the same damn question. He didn't even say that bad of a thing, especially if you're not a believer in the christian god, or maybe your views are different. Either way, what does kicking him out do? Push him into the embracing arms of bigots. Why not try to take the high road? You know the one where you don't get pissy cause billy the choir boy doesn't like Steve the drag queen, you smile and show basic human kindness to both parties. Unless billy gets up and beats the shit out of Steve, or starts actually acting crazy. but speaking his beliefs? Would you guys want to be kicked outta somewhere for that same exact reason? Nother thing, this was his facebook as well, I mean I get it, we live in an age of no privacy, but c'mon man, it's like all eyes are on you 24/7. I mean shit, I never heard of this dude until now, all because he was a dumb asshat, but it's not like living in GA you don't hear shit like that all the time from people working at colleges and hospitals and shit like that.

[QUOTE=Hilton;52828301]Because that's what it says in the Bible. That has nothing to do with how he should treat homosexuals, or if they're good people or not. As said before a true Christian knows everyone is a sinner and treats them all with equal respect.[/QUOTE] [I]Unfortunately[/I] you aren't the arbiter of who is and is not a true christian. While the ideal is that everyone is treated equally, it doesn't take very much looking at all to see all the christian groups who do demonize homosexuals. This "no true christian" fallacy simply does not work in the real world.

[QUOTE=Daddy-of-war;52828319]What, did you guys think that a old fashioned christian is gonna be love dovey about gays? I thought we learned about this when they asked the duck dynasty people the same damn question. He didn't even say that bad of a thing, especially if you're not a believer in the christian god, or maybe your views are different. Either way, what does kicking him out do? Push him into the embracing arms of bigots. Why not try to take the high road? You know the one where you don't get pissy cause billy the choir boy doesn't like Steve the drag queen, you smile and show basic human kindness to both parties. Unless billy gets up and beats the shit out of Steve, or starts actually acting crazy. but speaking his beliefs? Would you guys want to be kicked outta somewhere for that same exact reason? Nother thing, this was his facebook as well, I mean I get it, we live in an age of no privacy, but c'mon man, it's like all eyes are on you 24/7. I mean shit, I never heard of this dude until now, all because he was a dumb asshat, but it's not like living in GA you don't hear shit like that all the time from people working at colleges and hospitals and shit like that.[/QUOTE] I for one believe sticking your 12" cock into another human beings butthole is downright disgusting

Throwing some dude out of college for a facebook post is fucked, regardless of opinion. College is supposed to be a place of learning, but apparently playing "Thought Police" is a a better use of their resources. Instead of finding a peaceful solution, or (God forbid) not caring what some dude posts on the internet, we gotta do the whole "free speech except when i disagree" shtick.

[QUOTE=Loth;52828291]He's jumping to defend bigots who do, while pretending to care about lgbt issues in other threads. I'm calling out his bs and never said he hated gays himself. It's up to him to decide that.[/QUOTE] I am not defending bigots; I am only defending his case on principle of religious freedom. Which I guess some people only like the idea of it when it suits them or not at all. And I can easily decide that right now; I personally don't hate homosexuals. I know that is going to not even remotely penetrate people some people's brains because of other political issues, but that is my personal belief. I just find it strange as a non-religious guy, who thinks this guy's views are outdated, I have to defend this guy's and others religious beliefs being allowed at a public university. And let's make it clear, this case going through puts pretty much every religious person at risk who believe in their traditional texts.

[QUOTE=Hilton;52828120]No you wouldn't. There is a distinct difference between your holy book condemning something, and you judging people based on that condemnation. The Christian faith believes in neighborly love regardless of if that neighbor is a sinner. It is not for them to use that rule of homosexuals being sinners to call out an homosexuals they know, a true Christian lives and let's live and leaves the judgement to God. Just saying "the Bible says gay people are sinners" is in no fucking way offensive or derogatory, it's literally what the book says.[/QUOTE] But he didn't simply state the fact that the bible condemns homosexuals. Yeah, that is just a fact. He stated the god condemns homosexuality and same-sex marriage as sins. There's a pretty big difference there. One is stating the fact that this one book condemns gay people. The other is condemning gay people and citing god as authority to back yourself up. And he has made it clear that it is his view that homosexuality is a sin.

[QUOTE=bob4life;52828398]Throwing some dude out of college for a facebook post is fucked, regardless of opinion. College is supposed to be a place of learning, but apparently playing "Thought Police" is a a better use of their resources. Instead of finding a peaceful solution, or (God forbid) not caring what some dude posts on the internet, we gotta do the whole "free speech except when i disagree" shtick.[/QUOTE] This student showed a fairly large degree of being unable to take on new ideas.

[QUOTE=Tudd;52828402]I am not defending bigots; I am only defending his case on principle of religious freedom. Which I guess some people only like the idea of it when it suits them or not at all. And I can easily decide that right now; I personally don't hate homosexuals. I know that is going to not even remotely penetrate people some people's brains because of other political issues, but that is my personal belief. I just find it strange as a non-religious guy, who thinks this guy's views are outdated, I have to defend this guy's and others religious beliefs being allowed at a public university. And let's make it clear, this case going through puts pretty much every religious person at risk who believe in their traditional texts.[/QUOTE] This case has absolutely nothing to do with freedom of religion. He's completely free to practice his religion and hold whatever beliefs he wants. Nothing is stopping him from being a Christian. Religious freedom simply means you're legally free to practice your religion. It does not mean you have carte blanche to do anything as long as you justify it with your religion, if it's illegal it's still illegal, if it's looked down upon socially no one has any duty to accept it simply because it's part of your religion. Just like being a cultist of Kali-Ma doesn't mean it's okay for you to ritualistically murder people, being Christian doesn't make hate speech okay, either. The university is in it's right to kick someone out for hate speech, it being religiously motivated is utterly irrelevant.

[QUOTE=Tudd;52828402]And let's make it clear, this case going through puts pretty much every religious person at risk who believe in their traditional texts.[/QUOTE] People holding the belief that "homophobia is a sin" have killed countless LGBT people in the past. Nobody is attacking christians for being christians in the US. You are completely disconnected from reality if you paint that guy as a victim while [URL="https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/06/16/us/hate-crimes-against-lgbt.html"]even before the Orlando attack, LGBT people were more likely to be targets of hate crimes than any other minority groups, according to the FBI.[/URL] Pretending to care about "religious freedom" to justify bigotry is a very sad tactic. No tolerance for intolerants.

[QUOTE=Hilton;52828101]There's a big difference in saying "god says homosexuality is a sin" and saying "people like you are a sin." One is a statement of a fact, and one is an un-christian derogatory call-out.[/QUOTE] Oh stop ignoring the context words are in already. I've seen this trend of people get away with defending racism, homophobia, etc with "they didn't DIRECTLY say that" but the quote in question wouldn't make sense in that context if it wasn't meant to be relevant. Let's say that a nazi wanted to make clear his hatred of other races. If he's standing in a room full of different races and shouts "Hitler would have gassed all of you", it doesn't suddenly make it okay to say just because you can ignore the context of his words. Edit: tldr for those that aren't getting it; context is important

[QUOTE=Faunze;52828481]This student showed a fairly large degree of being unable to take on new ideas.[/QUOTE] Freedom of Speech has no power if no one chooses to respect it. "Taking on new ideas" is a 2-way road, but using someones inability to see from your perspective -while ignoring the other's- is the same level of ignorance. The only difference is one is socially acceptable and one isnt. Freedom to express an opinion shouldnt be dictated by what people think. That completely defeats the purpose.

Someone who actively hates a vulnerable portion of the population should not be seeking a job that deals with vulnerable people. What happens if a gay person is put under his care, this is a person that he already decided he doesn't like, even before he met them. That's gonna do wonder's for that person's mental health isn't it. What if that person needs social services because their family rejected them, and now the social worker comes along and says "well they hate you because you are a sinner". Guess who's probably going to kill themselves now? Thanks homophobic social worker!

[QUOTE=Snickerdoodle;52828530]Let's say that a nazi wanted to make clear his hatred of other races. If he's standing in a room full of different races and shouts "Hitler would have gassed all of you", it doesn't suddenly make it okay to say just because you can ignore the context of his words.[/QUOTE] This wasnt a guy in a room full of different races saying everyone shouldve been gassed. This was a Christian guy kicked out college for saying something on facebook. Using a hyperbolic statement in place of an actual arguement is obnoxious.

[QUOTE=bob4life;52828564]This wasnt a guy in a room full of different races saying everyone shouldve been gassed. This was a Christian guy kicked out college for saying something on facebook. Using a hyperbolic statement in place of an actual arguement is obnoxious.[/QUOTE] He was kicked out of college because his views were unsuitable for the profession he was going into. A care worker who may end up working with gay people can not have a history of declaring them to be sinners, because that would have a detriment to any who end up in his care if he lets that view out. Hence the whole thing about "bringing the profession into disrepute." He wasn't kicked out for going "Lol gays are sinners", if he'd been an engineer he'd have been fine, but because saying so was unsuitable for the line of work he was attempting to go into. Essentially, they weeded out someone wholly unsuited to the career early. Kinda like if they'd caught that American lady who invalidated marriage certificates issued to gay people before she'd ever got into the job.

If he was doing a different course it wouldn't be a problem. But he definitely wasn't suited to being a social worker. If he was doing something else like Engineering and was kicked out for what seems like a pretty respectful discussion - it would be kinda scary.

Normally I wouldn't care about some bigoted idiot but you have no business being in the medical field whatsoever if you hold those beliefs