Christian thrown out of university over anti-gay remarks posted on Facebook loses appeal - Sensationalist Headlines

[QUOTE=ilikecorn;52828646]It is entirely possible to acknowledge that someone is a sinner without hating them. Because we're all sinners. The entire point of Christianity is that we're all sinners, so don't go around hating people, because you're in the same boat as them.[/QUOTE] Unfortunately, someone who singles out a specific group as sinners is doing so generally because they view them as "greater" sinners than everyone else. He didn't go "Gays are sinners but so are we all so it's all good, lol".

I wish they'd link to the facebook posts instead of paraphrasing it. That way you can fully understand the context. Because him saying that “the Bible and God identify homosexuality as a sin” isn't really targeting the gay person specifically, but their actions. Which while many may disagree with that statement, it's not really derogatory towards the people themselves. If it was a part of a debate then it's in context and as long as he isn't shouting it to everyone he meets, then imo it's appropriate and in that case I think throwing him out is excessive and almost a violation of free speech. However, if it's something like "God hates fags" (pardon the language) and verbally abusing gay people by shoving it in their faces like the westborough baptists, then it's an entirely different argument as you're directly targeting the person themselves with hostility. Which is indeed a derogatory statement and definitely worthy of criticism. You can disagree with someone's world view and still get along with them.

I didnt realize you guys were qualified to dictate someones career choice. Work hard to go to college but a facebook post makes him unqualified to be a medical professional lol wow. Coulda saved someones life during his career but someones feelings got hurt so we gotta throw that out the window right? So goddamn caught up on someone's opinion that you disregard the good they can contribute. Go get a medical degree in his place if its that important.

[QUOTE=bob4life;52828693]I didnt realize you guys were qualified to dictate someones career choice. Work hard to go to college but a facebook post makes him unqualified to be a medical professional lol wow. Coulda saved someones life during his career but someones feelings got hurt so we gotta throw that out the window right.[/QUOTE] or he couldve just proselytize his garbage beliefs and helped no one whose to say either way

[QUOTE=Nautsabes;52828698]or he couldve just proselytize his garbage beliefs and helped no one whose to say either way[/QUOTE] Hes a doctor, not a preacher, smartass. Cant look past an opinion because it goes against yours.

[QUOTE=bob4life;52828712]Hes a doctor, not a preacher, smartass. Cant look past an opinion because it goes against yours.[/QUOTE] if its a garbage opinion i can

[QUOTE=Nautsabes;52828720]if its a garbage opinion i can[/QUOTE] Go get a medical degree with your golden opinion then [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Shitpost" - Novangel))[/highlight]

[QUOTE=bob4life;52828712]Hes a doctor, not a preacher, smartass. Cant look past an opinion because it goes against yours.[/QUOTE] Actually he was doing a social work degree. Working with vulnerable children and young adults.

[QUOTE=bob4life;52828722]Go get a medical degree with your golden opinion then[/QUOTE] i already have it

[QUOTE=SeamanStains;52828724]Actually he was doing a social work degree. Working with vulnerable children and young adults.[/QUOTE] I was a "vulnerable child" for 10 years in private school, and it didnt turn me into a monster. [editline]27th October 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Nautsabes;52828726]i already have it[/QUOTE] Id rather not be treated by someone who makes rash judgements based on what someone thinks, sorry.

[QUOTE=bob4life;52828733]I was a "vulnerable child" for 10 years in private school, and it didnt turn me into a monster. [editline]27th October 2017[/editline] Id rather not be treated by someone who makes rash judgements based on what someone thinks, sorry.[/QUOTE] are you drunk

[QUOTE=Nautsabes;52828739]are you drunk[/QUOTE] Sick burn doc, are you qualified to treat those?

[QUOTE=bob4life;52828722]Go get a medical degree with your golden opinion then[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Nautsabes;52828726]i already have it[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=bob4life;52828733]Id rather not be treated by someone who makes rash judgements based on what someone thinks, sorry.[/QUOTE] Can I just say that this is a hilarious exchange and I'm glad I've had the chance to read it?

[QUOTE=ilikecorn;52828738]Look, i'm going to be honest here, I highly doubt he was kicked out for saying "homosexuals are committing a sin". I'm willing to bet that he said something along those lines, but in a significantly more hateful way.[/QUOTE] Well now you lack confidence in the original reason he was kicked out. It went from "he got kicked out because *this*" to "well he probably did something worse". Thats not a basis to strip someone of a college degree.

I have very mixed feelings about this tbh. I have seen academics representing healthcare who have been able to [B]publish[/B] discriminatory remarks and articles and yet still be a respectable lecturer. On one hand you can say they failed representing social care, but on the other you can actually say they were expressing private beliefs on a private forum only to be stabbed in the back. It's very difficult and definitely not a certain argument one way or the other. I cannot say in all honest truth that every single social worker or healthcare worker isn't discriminatory. Because it's just not true and there's no way you could ask each of them about their personal beliefs and then remove them from the register because it's absurd. Tudd may have gone about this line of argument like a pillock, but there is something to think about.

[QUOTE=AK'z;52828778]I cannot say in all honest truth that every single social worker or healthcare worker isn't discriminatory.[/QUOTE] Doesn't mean we should let the wolf run the chicken coup. If he's going to be so public about his homophobia, then there's a good chance he'll mistreat or neglect any homosexual person placed under his care.

[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;52828804]Doesn't mean we should let the wolf run the chicken coup. If he's going to be so public about his homophobia, then there's a good chance he'll mistreat or neglect any homosexual person placed under his care.[/QUOTE] Yah dude, when i was in private school we used to publicly beat all the homosexual kids in the school center. Because apparently an opinion based on religious belief directly translates to being a dick in everything we do. Its easier to forgo the whole "human nature" and how people act to instead assume someones out for blood. Despite the fact theyre going into a profession specifically to help people.

[QUOTE=bob4life;52828841]Despite the fact theyre going into a profession specifically to help people.[/QUOTE] I wonder what world you're from, where all that matters is intentions, and no doctors have ever hurt anyone, nor cops broken the law. It must be wonderful there, I have no idea why you would've left.

[QUOTE=Paramud;52828848]I wonder what world you're from, where all that matters is intentions, and no doctors have ever hurt anyone, nor cops broken the law. It must be wonderful there, I have no idea why you would've left.[/QUOTE] If every doctor that ever had an adverse opinion was stripped of his position, you wouldnt even have someone available to diagnose you with the common cold. Get over yourself

[QUOTE=bob4life;52828733]Id rather not be treated by someone who makes rash judgements based on what someone thinks, sorry.[/QUOTE] But you want everyone else to be fine with being treated by someone who considers homosexuality sinful?

[QUOTE=elowin;52828933]But you want everyone else to be fine with being treated by someone who considers homosexuality sinful?[/QUOTE] Opinions about worldviews don't really matter if the doctor cares about you as a person. I'm sure a lot of Christians wouldn't really bat an eye if they were treated by an atheist.

[QUOTE=elowin;52828933]But you want everyone else to be fine with being treated by someone who considers homosexuality sinful?[/QUOTE] I was in the doctors office recently for acute food poisoning which lead to inflammation of colon that lead to blood loss. The guy who put an IV in my arm didnt ask me where i put my dick on my off time. Same with the time i got stitches in Vegas after knocking my shin. You do understand that people will have an opinion, regardless of whether they voice it or not, right?

We should not be politically auditing people, we should be allowing them the personal freedom to express their views to the detriment of their own standing in a market. He would only be pushing gays to competitors.

[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;52828804]Doesn't mean we should let the wolf run the chicken coup. If he's going to [B]be so public[/B] about his homophobia, then [B]there's a good chance[/B] he'll mistreat or neglect any homosexual person placed under his care.[/QUOTE] these statements are plain incorrect and misleading. You can't assert that his care is going to be inadequate solely based on one facebook post. I do agree that he shouldn't blurt out sensitive opinions, which is why I tell people to be careful about expressing personal beliefs on that platform. Him being kicked off the course is most likely due to him breaking the university code though. So in that instance, it's his own fault. Because I'm pretty sure there's a legislation that requires you not to discriminate. But in the grand scheme of things, he hasn't actually done what I would call an irrational, hateful remark.

[QUOTE=Skerion;52827778]That's assuming that it's obvious to everyone that there was ever even a god in the first place. If God feels that strongly against a gay couple marrying just because he didn't intend for it to happen, he may need to get his priorities straight.[/QUOTE] Frankly, if God feels strongly against a gay couple marrying, why not do something to stop it? Like, he didn't seem to have an issue doing stuff like turning into a burning bush that remained unburned and giving Moses leprosy-on-demand whenever he wanted to prove that he was God and wanted his will carried out. All there is today is people's words and the Bible. As far as I know, nobody gay that I've ever run into has been blinded for days at a time and heard a voice tell them they're wrong, as Saul was.

[QUOTE=ilikecorn;52829001]Realistically this never comes up. I've never heard a doctor/nurse/paramedic/emt ever delve into someone's religious life. The most religion i've seen out of them is when a family wants to pray with a doctor before a procedure.[/QUOTE] Homosexuality isn't about religion

[QUOTE=elowin;52828933]But you want everyone else to be fine with being treated by someone who considers homosexuality sinful?[/QUOTE] a doctor's spiritual beliefs are really not your concern, they have a job to do, and if they don't do that job, then they fail. [editline]28th October 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=ilikecorn;52829001]Realistically this never comes up. I've never heard a doctor/nurse/paramedic/emt ever delve into someone's religious life. The most religion i've seen out of them is when a family wants to pray with a doctor before a procedure.[/QUOTE] You're incorrect here. There are many instances where healthcare workers become spiritually involved in an individual's care. Especially when it comes to palliative care or imminent death. There are boundaries to play when it comes to this sort of stuff as the field is very much trying to be secular.. but I've seen a lot of the real human aspect of health come through and the medicine left behind.

[QUOTE=AK'z;52828778] On one hand you can say they failed representing social care, but on the other you can actually say they were expressing private beliefs on a [B]private forum[/B] only to be stabbed in the back. [/QUOTE] He was arguing in a public Facebook thread defending the chick that refused to give the gay couple a marriage license and pleaded that it was under religious freedoms. The guy broke university policies and, regardless of if it was God, Satan, Buddha, or a burrito that gave him the belief that convinced him that being LGBT is wrong/sin, it is well within the rights of the college to remove him from a social worker program if he expresses those views publicly. The choice was that of the school and the program on whether or not he was a good continued fit for their program. It would not surprise me if the guy became way more vocal and doubled-down on the religious freedoms fight when he was called out. Because, honestly, from what I see, he's probably just another ignorant Christian mouthpiece who doesn't know better. He doesn't seem hostile from what he posted, but something tells me that's not all they judged him by. Based on the info we have, though, I think it's pretty harsh and he should have been given a warning.

[QUOTE=Gbps;52829098]He was arguing in a public Facebook thread defending the chick that refused to give the gay couple a marriage license and pleaded that it was under religious freedoms. The guy broke university policies and, regardless of if it was God, Satan, Buddha, or a burrito that gave him the belief that convinced him that being LGBT is wrong/sin, it is well within the rights of the college to remove him from a social worker program if he expresses those views publicly. The choice was that of the school and the program on whether or not he was a good continued fit for their program. It would not surprise me if the guy became way more vocal and doubled-down on the religious freedoms fight when he was called out. Because, honestly, from what I see, he's probably just another ignorant Christian mouthpiece who doesn't know better. He doesn't seem hostile from what he posted, but something tells me that's not all they judged him by. Based on the info we have, though, I think it's pretty harsh and he should have been given a warning.[/QUOTE] not saying he didn't break university policy. but realistically he didn't do anything i would deem socially hateful. implying i commit blasphemy is to suggest i care. [editline]28th October 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Paramud;52828756]Can I just say that this is a hilarious exchange and I'm glad I've had the chance to read it?[/QUOTE] this is what makes fp gr8

[QUOTE=AK'z;52829028]You can't assert that his care is going to be inadequate solely based on one facebook post. I do agree that he shouldn't blurt out sensitive opinions, which is why I tell people to be careful about expressing personal beliefs on that platform.[/quote] We often give the boot to emergency service members who we find to be racist or sexist because we cannot trust them to do their jobs without letting bias cloud their judgement. I don't see any difference between that and this. Even then we still have a problem with racist people in emergency services. [QUOTE=AK'z;52829028]But in the grand scheme of things, he hasn't actually done what I would call an irrational, hateful remark.[/QUOTE] Insinuating that someone is going to hell because they don't align with your worldview is pretty irrational and hateful.