'Mass shooting' reported at small town church in Texas - Sensationalist Headlines

[QUOTE=SIRIUS;52858929]Yup, nothing political here, just like the rest of the world right?[/QUOTE] The media (yes, most of it, new and old) use shootings towards their own politics and cry 'racism', or 'white supremacist!" or 'he was ISIS", "He was a mexican immigrant", "he was a libtard cuck spreading his war against religion", "we need to regulate guns", "The government ain't getting my guns" you can pretend this isn't happening and you can pretend this isn't a problem, but it is. Shooters are being scored and turned into successful martyrs because the media prey's on shootings for views, and they politicize it to the point where they pin the 'enemy team' at fault. Some of them try to do it subtly or barely at all, some will do it as directly as they can get away with. the fact is that these shootings because someone goes very much insane and snaps. Vegas shooting being a unique case where we don't actually know the cause, and big surprise, the media tries to attach one anyways. These are happening because of a deep rooted issue in society, and people are using it to paint entire groups of people as evil. Yes, even terrorist attacks shouldn't be made as political as they are. These aren't normal people, yet that's the sketch that many want to draw up.

[QUOTE=J!NX;52858952]The media (yes, most of it, new and old) use shootings towards their own politics and cry 'racism', or 'white supremacist!" or 'he was ISIS", "He was a mexican immigrant", "he was a libtard cuck spreading his war against religion", "we need to regulate guns", "The government ain't getting my guns" you can pretend this isn't happening and you can pretend this isn't a problem, but it is. Shooters are being scored and turned into successful martyrs because the media prey's on shootings for views, and they politicize it to the point where they pin the 'enemy team' at fault. the fact is that these shootings because someone goes very much insane and snaps. Vegas shooting being a unique case where we don't actually know the cause, and big surprise, the media tries to attach one anyways. These are happening because of a deep rooted issue in society, and people are using it to paint entire groups of people as evil. Yes, even terrorist attacks shouldn't be made as political as they are. These aren't normal people, yet that's the sketch that many want to draw up.[/QUOTE] okay... that had nothing to do with the shirt though. America has a big dumb gun culture, guns are part of the culture like no other country, and because of that, these happen far too often.

[QUOTE=J!NX;52858913]if the shooter used illegally obtained guns you're going to look very very silly but good work politicizing, like the media does, what is nothing more than a horrible murder spree[/QUOTE] wow if only there was some way to possibly prevent future murder sprees from happening in the future but oh well guess we can't politicize it. no way to prevent this that's the price of freedom i suppose I hate this shit. It's NEVER the time to talk about it or politicize it. As soon as it's the right time another one fucking happens

and just like before, absolutely nothing will come of this and everyone in america will forget about it in 2 weeks until the next mass shooting happens

Do something...please...if this keeps happening then what kind of country are we living in?

[QUOTE=GhillieBacca;52858892]Death toll now at 27 [media]https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/927265125412884480[/media][/QUOTE] In one of these small Texas towns that can easily be like half the town that just got exicuted... Everyone is going to be impact by this there. Those poor people.

[QUOTE=Tetracycline;52859011]Do something...please...if this keeps happening then what kind of country are we living in?[/QUOTE] I gave up on action after Sandy Hook.

[QUOTE=SIRIUS;52858965]okay... that had nothing to do with the shirt though. America has a big dumb gun culture, guns are part of the culture like no other country, and because of that, these happen far too often.[/QUOTE] The issue is far far deeper than the gun culture. Europe doesn't have a knife culture and yet we see stabbings there. I agree that the gun religion going on is retarded but the issue isn't guns itself, its very much partly the media romanticizing shootings and then blaming video games for it, though there are way more problems like polarization in general, horrible political climate, rise of racist ideologies, and more. [QUOTE=God of Ashes;52858972]wow if only there was some way to possibly prevent future murder sprees from happening in the future but oh well guess we can't politicize it. no way to prevent this that's the price of freedom i suppose I hate this shit. It's NEVER the time to talk about it or politicize it. As soon as it's the right time another one fucking happens[/QUOTE] I'm not going to go around saying you shouldn't be allowed to use shootings as an argument for gun control, because you should, but you shouldn't immediately make it about gun-politics the moment it happens before any information has even gotten out and we don't know the details, and what you shouldn't do is poke fun at victims for your own argument-sake, like post 3 did The gun debate shouldn't be brought up immediately every time because guns themselves are just the tools being used against people, not the things causing it. There are murders that are happening without guns.

[QUOTE]The issue is far far deeper than the gun culture. Europe doesn't have a knife culture and yet we see stabbings there.[/QUOTE] No-where [I]near[/I] the same rate. Nor casualties. Not even close. (I'm not going to argue with anyone over gun rights but I'm just going to point out that's a poor argument).

[QUOTE=J!NX;52859036]The issue is far far deeper than the gun culture. Europe doesn't have a knife culture and yet we see stabbings there. I agree that the gun religion going on is retarded but the issue isn't guns itself, its very much partly the media romanticizing shootings and then blaming video games for it, though there are way more problems like polarization in general, horrible political climate, rise of racist ideologies, and more I'm not going to go around saying you shouldn't be allowed to use shootings as an argument for gun control, because you should, though to go off on a side-thought, I think the issue should be looked at on a deeper level than guns. What you shouldn't do is jump onto it before any information has even gotten out and we don't know the details, and what you shouldn't do is poke fun at victims for your own argument-sake, like post 3 did The gun debate shouldn't be brought up immediately every time because guns themselves are just the tools being used against people, not the things causing it. There are murders that are happening without guns.[/QUOTE] Aaand yet knife killings are far less severe... and far less often

[QUOTE=J!NX;52859036] I'm not going to go around saying you shouldn't be allowed to use shootings as an argument for gun control, because you should, but you shouldn't immediately make it about gun-politics the moment it happens before any information has even gotten out and we don't know the details, and what you shouldn't do is poke fun at victims for your own argument-sake, like post 3 did The gun debate shouldn't be brought up immediately every time because guns themselves are just the tools being used against people, not the things causing it. There are murders that are happening without guns.[/QUOTE] I apologize if I was coming off as condescending or intense but that's just because my cousin was in Vegas. He and his girlfriend were both shot and are now terrified of being in large crowds. I am just sick and tired of seeing the excuses for why this shouldn't be discussed. Or why somebodies right to owning a fucking weapon if more important than another's right to live. You are right in saying it's not a singular issue but the fact remains that if this person didn't have a gun we wouldn't be talking about 27 deaths. Or in the case of Vegas, 500 wounded.

[QUOTE=J!NX;52858913]if the shooter used illegally obtained guns you're going to look very very silly but good work politicizing, like the media does, what is nothing more than a horrible murder spree[/QUOTE] Politicizing is how our society fucking exists bro, we need to constantly adapt our civilization to our ever changing needs or realizations. If we keep getting shot up then at what point should at least SOMETHING be done about the extreme prevalence of firearms, illegal or not?

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[QUOTE=Steam-Pixie;52859086]The headline made me think of the Kill Bill movies.[/QUOTE] Tasteful.

[QUOTE=J!NX;52859036]The issue is far far deeper than the gun culture. Europe doesn't have a knife culture and yet we see stabbings there. I agree that the gun religion going on is retarded but the issue isn't guns itself, its very much partly the media romanticizing shootings and then blaming video games for it, though there are way more problems like polarization in general, horrible political climate, rise of racist ideologies, and more. I'm not going to go around saying you shouldn't be allowed to use shootings as an argument for gun control, because you should, but you shouldn't immediately make it about gun-politics the moment it happens before any information has even gotten out and we don't know the details, and what you shouldn't do is poke fun at victims for your own argument-sake, like post 3 did The gun debate shouldn't be brought up immediately every time because guns themselves are just the tools being used against people, not the things causing it. There are murders that are happening without guns.[/QUOTE] There was pollution happening before the industrial revolution, but you can't just ignore scale. Guns are an extremely efficient way to kill lots of people.

[QUOTE=God of Ashes;52859072]I apologize if I was coming off as condescending or intense but that's just because my cousin was in Vegas. He and his girlfriend were both shot and are now terrified of being in large crowds. I am just sick and tired of seeing the excuses for why this shouldn't be discussed. Or why somebodies right to owning a fucking weapon if more important than another's right to live. You are right in saying it's not a singular issue but the fact remains that if this person didn't have a gun we wouldn't be talking about 27 deaths. Or in the case of Vegas, 500 wounded.[/QUOTE] And how do you expect to stop those people from getting said firearms? We already have background checks, we already have mental background checks, we have several systems in place which time and time again prove to be worthless. The 2nd Amendment will not be rewritten, it's highly unlikely that another Assault Weapon Ban will be passed, and in the case of Las Vegas: The guy was a lone wolf actor which was completely grey. It was impossible to predict whether or not he was going to go forward and attack people. Not trying to sound like a prick, but nothing is going to be done without at the very least trying to compromise with gun owners in some meaningful way, and at this moment in time, gun owners do not want to hear the word compromise, as we have yet to see anything of meaningful value in the last decade.

You guys are already arguing about things you can't know. There's no motive, no firearm identification it could've been a handgun(s), wait to know things...

27 dead now. 25 injured. Apparently virtually everyone inside the church was shot.

[QUOTE=Aman;52859104]You guys are already arguing about things you can't know. There's no motive, no firearm identification it could've been a handgun(s), wait to know things...[/QUOTE] It'd be nice if the immediate response to one of these threads wasnt an instant descent into angry shit flinging that inevitably leads nowhere.

[QUOTE=Mort Stroodle;52859100]There was pollution happening before the industrial revolution, but you can't just ignore scale. Guns are an extremely efficient way to kill lots of people.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=SIRIUS;52859050]Aaand yet knife killings are far less severe... and far less often[/QUOTE] That I can totally agree with. But the US has such a boner for guns and so many guns to boot, it's kind of a complicated issue. What better way to kill a group of people than gunning them down from a distance? I doubt any fat ladies would have stopped the shooter, but it could have been possible that a gun could have stopped this gun violence. At the same time other things could have happened, the gunner could have had another gun to kill with, he could have even been missed and it could have killed someone else. outside of banning them its very hard to know how to solve the problem. I don't exactly agree with the gun-nut fantasy of cowboying a badguy in cold blood. [QUOTE=God of Ashes;52859072]I apologize if I was coming off as condescending or intense but that's just because my cousin was in Vegas. He and his girlfriend were both shot and are now terrified of being in large crowds. I am just sick and tired of seeing the excuses for why this shouldn't be discussed. Or why somebodies right to owning a fucking weapon if more important than another's right to live. You are right in saying it's not a singular issue but the fact remains that if this person didn't have a gun we wouldn't be talking about 27 deaths. Or in the case of Vegas, 500 wounded.[/QUOTE] I can totally see why you would think this way, sounds reasonable to act that way. I'm generally for gun rights but not opposed to regulations. I'm mainly for it due to home-defense and sport more than anything. I think that the Vegas shooting is one of the cases where using it as a gun rights point is extremely fair, but at the same time even a liberal take on gun laws technically wouldn't have stopped it, but at the same time if the crowd had guns the entire shooting would have been 100x worse. Regulation could have stopped this, but we'll really have to see. We just have to see what happened here though now I'm the one talking about gun debates, am I a hypocrite :v:

[QUOTE=AaronM202;52859125]It'd be nice if the immediate response to one of these threads wasnt an instant descent into angry shit flinging that inevitably leads nowhere.[/QUOTE] To be honest I find it annoying and slightly crazy that every time a mass shooting happens in the US, people go "This is fine. There's nothing we can do, it's a natural but unavoidable product of our free society". I think a lot of us are just glad we live in the sane, and, well, actually civilised part of the world.

Hearing that the gunman was shot/shot themselves away from the scene after fleeing. About 50 people show up to Church each week, and about 20-27 fatalities, with ~24 wounded. It could be that everyone in the church was shot and the guy ran. [editline]5th November 2017[/editline] Pastors 14 year old daughter among the dead.

[QUOTE=Wazbat;52858884]Has this ever actually prevented or mitigated a mass shooting/terror attack before though? People say this yet in an event like this the last thing you'd want to do is start shooting. What if you're shooting someone else who is shooting at the first guy? Is that guy over there holding a pistol the source of all this? What do the police do when they arrive at the scene of an active shooting and everyone's running around with pistols out? If anything, wouldnt it make it worse?[/QUOTE] Off the top of my head it stopped a mass shooting in an Oregon mall, and another one at a rural nightclub a month or so ago. You tend not to hear about the shootings that were stopped because only one person ends up dead, the potential shooter.

[QUOTE=OvB;52859180]Hearing that the gunman was shot/shot themselves away from the scene after fleeing. About 50 people show up to Church each week, and about 20-27 fatalities, with ~24 wounded. It could be that everyone in the church was shot and the guy ran. [editline]5th November 2017[/editline] Pastors 14 year old daughter among the dead.[/QUOTE] how are these people managing to get so many hits off is he trained/practiced?

You don't traditionally carry weapons into places of worship so it's a moot argument. (Besides, churches have the right to decide whether or not to allow carry into their congregation) [editline]5th November 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=J!NX;52859198]how are these people managing to get so many hits off is he trained/practiced?[/QUOTE] I don't think it's exactly hard to go into a small, populated building and hit a lot of people with a semi automatic weapon (doesn't matter if it's a pistol or rifle) you don't need to be particularly skilled if your targets are 10 feet away and you're blocking the only obviously exit.

[QUOTE=J!NX;52859198]how are these people managing to get so many hits off is he trained/practiced?[/QUOTE] If you have even the most rudimentary experience at a gun range it honestly wouldn't be that hard to aim at multiple targets and pull the trigger really quick. It's kind of the point of shooting sports like IPSC, you shoot at multiple targets as fast and as accurately as you can, because it takes a great deal of marksmanship skills to do at the speeds they do it at. But when you have no time limit, it's not hard to shoot at a bunch of separate targets.

[QUOTE=J!NX;52859198]how are these people managing to get so many hits off is he trained/practiced?[/QUOTE] Tightly packed room and being point blank, probably.

[QUOTE=God of Ashes;52859072]I apologize if I was coming off as condescending or intense but that's just because my cousin was in Vegas. He and his girlfriend were both shot and are now terrified of being in large crowds. I am just sick and tired of seeing the excuses for why this shouldn't be discussed. Or why somebodies right to owning a fucking weapon if more important than another's right to live. You are right in saying it's not a singular issue but the fact remains that if this person didn't have a gun we wouldn't be talking about 27 deaths. Or in the case of Vegas, 500 wounded.[/QUOTE] I survived two separate terrorist bombings within the span of six months nearly a decade ago. If your cousin brother and his girlfriend haven't done so already, please ask them to seek PTSD therapy ASAP. It helps, trust me.

Is there an amount of deaths that the US has to reach before the problem is actually solved?

The story isn’t even over and you nutjobs are trying to dig your trenches. This is not the fucking thread for that.