Gamers harass woman online over Mass Effect Andromeda - Sensationalist Headlines

[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;51984445] - Post anything compromising such as socially forbidden interests (drugs, [b]interest in the opposite sex[/b] porn) unless you want to be blackmailed or witchhunted.[/QUOTE] What

[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;51984445]Looks good on paper. Shit in practice. Funny, South Park did an episode on this. You gotta think of the consequences of having an identity attached to your post. It basically means you can't: - Post any opinion whatsoever, there's going to be that one fucking weirdo who's going to stalk you for saying Half-Life 2 wasn't that great. - Post anything compromising such as socially forbidden interests (drugs, interest in the opposite sex, porn) unless you want to be blackmailed or witchhunted.[/QUOTE] Wasn't that pretty much the main plot of the last(?) season? :v: In any case, I'm not really sure why it's proposed as solution so often. It's probably because some people would indeed be stopped by that and wouldn't abuse it, but then they generalise that to everyone without thinking.

[QUOTE=Pascall;51984418][I]Some[/I] gamers are always gonna look at women in the gaming industry as people who don't belong there. The same way that s[I]ome[/I] non-gamers are gonna see all gamers as sexist, misogynist, cruel, etc. The solution is to bring attention to both issues without putting them in competition with each other. Both suck and people should work together to solve it without having to say one is worse than the other.[/QUOTE] This particular woman definitely has no business being anywhere near the gaming industry, let alone being the lead animator of a multi-million dollar project. Though, needless to say, I'm very much against harassing her, no one should get rape threats just because they're shit at their job.

[QUOTE=Laserbeams;51984475]This particular woman definitely has no business being anywhere near the gaming industry, [...][/QUOTE] Why?

[QUOTE=Laserbeams;51984475]This particular woman definitely has no business being anywhere near the gaming industry, let alone being the lead animator of a multi-billion dollar project. Though, needless to say, I'm very much against harassing her, no one should get rape threats just because they're shit at their job.[/QUOTE] What?? Why?

[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;51984479]In some southern U.S. cultures, being gay will bring you much harm.[/QUOTE] Yes, but that would be 'interest in the same sex'. I'm fairly certain ROFLBURGER just mistyped that as the opposite.

[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;51984479]In some southern U.S. cultures, being gay will bring you much harm.[/QUOTE] [Quote=ROFLBURGER]Interest in the [b] opposite [/b] sex [/quote]

[QUOTE=Lambeth;51984449]I'm kinda of impressed how a story about a woman being harrassed by some mass effect fans became a discussion how gamers are the victims[/QUOTE] Well it happens with any argument that has two sides. It's like a game of telephone but less fun. 1. Woman is harassed by gamers. 2. Discussion that ends with the conclusion that this is a serious problem. 3. You know what else is a problem? The negative stigma towards gamers! #NotAllGamers 1. Trump Supporter punched by Liberal. 2. Discussion that ends with the conclusion that this is a serious problem. 3. You know what else is a problem? The negative stigma towards Liberals! #NotAllLiberals 1. Black man abused by police. 2. Discussion that ends with the conclusion that this is a serious problem. 3. You know what else is a problem? The negative stigma towards police! #NotAllPolice

[QUOTE=Laserbeams;51984475]This particular woman definitely has no business being anywhere near the gaming industry, let alone being the lead animator of a multi-billion dollar project. Though, needless to say, I'm very much against harassing her, no one should get rape threats just because they're shit at their job.[/QUOTE] Uh??? She absolutely CAN be in the gaming industry because whatever arbitrary set of skills one needs to have to be part of the process of game development (which is often an [I]involved[/I] process containing anywhere between 1 and hundreds of people all with[I] different[/I] sets of skills) is stupid and not an end all be all of talent and progress and to say that it is is a thinly veiled attempt at shoe-horning someone out of the industry who may very well have more of a place there than any number of her critics who may have had absolute zero animation or industry knowledge or talent! So don't be a doof. She may not have been the right person for this job, sure, but that literally has zero bearing on any of the harassment, hate, and vile things being said towards her so it doesn't even matter!

I'm not saying [I]most[/I] gamers are sexist. I'm saying enough people in the gaming community are sexist that it spoils the community as a whole -- the "trolls" you keep trying to dissociate from are just as much of gamers are you, and they stand out, and they target women specifically. Yes, [I]lots[/I] of people online are vicious and nasty and send death threats, but women [I]also[/I] tend to get more targeted attacks.

[QUOTE=Beetle179;51984417]How many mountains of evidence do you need to admit that the gaming community is pretty freaking sexist[/QUOTE] How about one that has enough to indicate the whole group is that way Why are you guys okay with one generalization, against gamers, but not other generalizations that I see people here shut down?

the game looks like a trainwreck and if I was in boware management I'd consider laying off probably more people than only her once the project is laid to a shallow grave unless it sells well for some reason. that being said making shitty models and animations isn't really a crime. nerd culture is just one huge class act for sure.

[QUOTE=Falchion;51984519]the game looks like a trainwreck and if I was in boware management I'd consider laying off probably more people than only her once the project is laid to a shallow grave unless it sells well for some reason. that being said making shitty models and animations isn't really a crime. nerd culture is just one huge class act for sure.[/QUOTE] your post doesn't make sense you're contradicting yourself

[QUOTE=Beetle179;51984503]I'm not saying [I]most[/I] gamers are sexist. I'm saying enough people in the gaming community are sexist that it spoils the community as a whole -- the "trolls" you keep trying to dissociate from are just as much of gamers are you, and they stand out, and they target women specifically. Yes, [I]lots[/I] of people online are vicious and nasty and send death threats, but women [I]also[/I] tend to get more targeted attacks.[/QUOTE] You should really make that clear before posting something like [quote]But the general attitude of the gaming community is very sexist[/quote] Women are "targeted" more because they are an EASIER target. It's easy to get in the news then it would be to some random male. Here! I'm a target of harassment, death threats, doxxing! I'm not in the news though. Your being disillusioned by media. They pick up on the female stories more because it fits in with the "gaming is sexist" shtick, and also because of unfortunate chance. But yeah, your mostly right, the trolls ARE sexist. That's because they don't really give a shit, they just want a free target. Don't forget stuff like swatting, the majority of that was popular male streamers. They will target anybody who is an "easy" target for no reason other then to fulfill their psychotic needs.

Come on guys, lets be real, we all know exactly why the gaming community is called sexist. 10 years ago it was common to say "there are no girls on the internet" and a lot of people(including me) laughed and agreed because the internet was our secret club. Anyone who has played a multiplayer game that allows voice chat has heard a woman speak then get attacked by trolls or swarmed by white knights. My sister's XBL inbox is full of harassment and people asking her to be their girlfriend to the point where she just opens them so we can laugh at them. Female streamers are also plagued by by trolls, white knights, and people trying to get them to be their girlfriend. You might not be sexist, realize you are a sexist, or want to admit you're a sexist but don't act like you have no idea why we're called sexist, it's something we've all seen(sorry for the generalization, I am aware this isn't as common as it used to be). For the longest time gaming has been, and probably still is considered something only boys do, the only thing that's changed is that we've grown up and now it's something men do. Female gamers are becoming more accepted but they're still called girl gamers, they're not called just gamers yet.

[QUOTE=Dr.C;51984538]Come on guys, lets be real, we all know exactly why the gaming community is considered sexist. 10 years ago it was common to say "there are no girls on the internet" and anyone who has played a multiplayer game that allows voice chat has heard a woman speak then get attacked by dicks or swarmed by white knights. My sister's XBL inbox is full of harassment and people asking her to be their girlfriend to the point where she just opens them so we can laugh at them. Female streamers are a whole other can of worms I don't want to open. You might not be sexist, realize it, or want to admit it but don't act like you have no idea why we're called sexist. For the longest time gaming has been, and probably still is considered something only boys do, the only thing that's changed is that we've grown up and now it's something men do.[/QUOTE] Honestly I feel that's a problem with a certain section of people who use the internet rather than anything inherit in gaming or whatever. Certainly there is sexism in certain corners of the web but it's not utterly widespread like it's portrayed - from what I know of, at-least.

[QUOTE=Dr.C;51984538]Come on guys, lets be real, we all know exactly why the gaming community is considered sexist. 10 years ago it was common to say "there are no girls on the internet" and anyone who has played a multiplayer game that allows voice chat has heard a woman speak then get attacked by dicks or swarmed by white knights. My sister's XBL inbox is full of harassment and people asking her to be their girlfriend to the point where she just opens them so we can laugh at them. Female streamers are a whole other can of worms I don't want to open. You might not be sexist, realize it, or want to admit it but don't act like you have no idea why we're called sexist. For the longest time gaming has been, and probably still is considered something only boys do, the only thing that's changed is that we've grown up and now it's something men do.[/QUOTE] Yeah, and again, think about all the people who don't do that. I play on a community where girls are just normal and nobody cares. If your playing with some random fucktards your going to get idiots who think it's so hilarious. Trolling is a problem on the internet in general, they will do anything to anybody for a cheap laugh. Just look at.. well anywhere. Anonymity fucks some people up. I think if you had a poll where a lot of people were involved and you asked if they wanted more female developers, players, and etc, the answer would be yes. [editline]a[/editline] HERES the problem : Females are being told that gaming is SEXIST and need to stay out. Media needs to STOP pushing that and start saying who the real criminals are - the people who perpetrate the harassment. They need to stop demonizing games, gamers as being sexist in a whole. It's horrible.

Oh and I would say that "gaming is only for men" thing is being broken down and is not a thing I've seen IRL - girls who play games are very much accepted. I think that's again, an internet thing.

[QUOTE=Tamschi;51984481]Why?[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Te Great Skeeve;51984488]What?? Why?[/QUOTE] Because she does not have the set of skills required for AAA game animation? If she actually learns to animate, then no one will have a problem with her being a lead animator, but she didn't.[QUOTE=Pascall;51984500]Uh??? She absolutely CAN be in the gaming industry because whatever arbitrary set of skills one needs to have to be part of the process of game development (which is often an [I]involved[/I] process containing anywhere between 1 and hundreds of people all with[I] different[/I] sets of skills) is stupid and not an end all be all of talent and progress and to say that it is is a thinly veiled attempt at shoe-horning someone out of the industry who may very well have more of a place there than any number of her critics who may have had absolute zero animation or industry knowledge or talent! So don't be a doof. She may not have been the right person for this job, sure, but that literally has zero bearing on any of the harassment, hate, and vile things being said towards her so it doesn't even matter![/QUOTE] You're saying that it's okay for Bioware to hire bad animators just because they have other animators already? What? It's not an arbitrary set of skills. Good animation is very much a definite thing that exists and can be distinguished from bad animation. Also, "her critics may have zero animation or industry knowledge" is a huge-non argument. Her critics may be shitty people because they may be misogynists and harassers, but them being bad animators has literally nothing to do with anything. P.S. you didn't have to spell out that last part to me, because it's exactly what I said anyway.

[QUOTE=Dr.C;51984538]Come on guys, lets be real, we all know exactly why the gaming community is considered sexist. 10 years ago it was common to say "there are no girls on the internet" and anyone who has played a multiplayer game that allows voice chat has heard a woman speak then get attacked by dicks or swarmed by white knights. My sister's XBL inbox is full of harassment and people asking her to be their girlfriend to the point where she just opens them so we can laugh at them. Female streamers are a whole other can of worms I don't want to open. You might not be sexist, realize it, or want to admit it but don't act like you have no idea why we're called sexist. For the longest time gaming has been, and probably still is considered something only boys do, the only thing that's changed is that we've grown up and now it's something men do.[/QUOTE] Sorry but my girlfriend and I have been gamers together for 6 years and she gamed before that You can say that I [B]have[/B] to be sexist to be a gamer, but i'm not going to take that seriously when nothing I do in my own life would make me what you're saying. People take offense over being called things they're not, are you surprised, honestly, that when you call people sexist and they may not be, they're going to say "Hey, stop being a dick?"

[QUOTE=Laserbeams;51984562]Because she does not have the set of skills required for AAA game animation? If she actually learns to animate, then no one will have a problem with her being a lead animator, but she didn't. P.S. you didn't have to spell out that last part to me, because it's exactly what I said anyway.[/QUOTE] She wasn't lead animator. It's literally the big image in the first post. She has had a few years experience, I am sure she can handle animation at an AAA company. Hell, EA walks into colleges and takes people right from classes. Saw it myself lol. Plus, who are we to judge how good or well a job she did? For all we know, she could have done an amazing job.

[QUOTE=Laserbeams;51984562]Because she does not have the set of skills required for AAA game animation? If she actually learns to animate, then no one will have a problem with her being a lead animator, but she didn't. You're saying that it's okay for Bioware to hire bad animators just because they have other animators already? What? It's not an arbitrary set of skills. Good animation is very much a definite thing that exists and can be distinguished from bad animation. Also, "her critics may have zero animation or industry knowledge" is a huge-non argument. Her critics may be shitty people because they may be misogynists and harassers, but them being bad animators has literally nothing to do with anything. P.S. you didn't have to spell out that last part to me, because it's exactly what I said anyway.[/QUOTE] Maybe the project was mismanaged as fuck and she didn't have time to make the animations look good

[QUOTE=Te Great Skeeve;51984551]Yeah, and again, think about all the people who don't do that. I play on a community where girls are just normal and nobody cares. If your playing with some random fucktards your going to get idiots who think it's so hilarious. Trolling is a problem on the internet in general, they will do anything to anybody for a cheap laugh. Just look at.. well anywhere. Anonymity fucks some people up. I think if you had a poll where a lot of people were involved and you asked if they wanted more female developers, players, and etc, the answer would be yes. [editline]a[/editline] HERES the problem : Females are being told that gaming is SEXIST and need to stay out. Media needs to STOP pushing that and start saying who the real criminals are - the people who perpetrate the harassment. They need to stop demonizing games, gamers as being sexist in a whole. It's disgusting in itself.[/QUOTE] Just like what's happening in STEM fields. Women are being [B]told[/B] by people like Dr C they're not welcome there, as a warning, not as a "Don't go into that thing". They're being told that's what the atmosphere is, and that anyone claiming it isn't that is themselves, a sexist prick. Well, sure seems like we have a self fulfilling prophecy, doesn't it?

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;51984567]Sorry but my girlfriend and I have been gamers together for 6 years and she gamed before that You can say that I [B]have[/B] to be sexist to be a gamer, but i'm not going to take that seriously when nothing I do in my own life would make me what you're saying. People take offense over being called things they're not, are you surprised, honestly, that when you call people sexist and they may not be, they're going to say "Hey, stop being a dick?"[/QUOTE] I wasn't clear enough with what I wrote or I really screwed up somewhere. I didn't mean that we're all sexist or that you have to be sexist to be a gamer. I was saying that sexism and trolling are something prevalent in gaming communities and this is something we have all seen(or I thought we've seen). It's also something that negatively affects all of us since us people who aren't sexist or trolls get lumped in with the misogynists and trolls [QUOTE=HumanAbyss;51984576]Just like what's happening in STEM fields. Women are being [B]told[/B] by people like Dr C they're not welcome there, as a warning, not as a "Don't go into that thing". They're being told that's what the atmosphere is, and that anyone claiming it isn't that is themselves, a sexist prick. Well, sure seems like we have a self fulfilling prophecy, doesn't it?[/QUOTE] Now that's definitely the opposite of what I was trying to get across. I wasn't saying that I think gaming is a cocks only thing and women should get out, I mean that's how gaming is viewed and has been viewed by mainstream society. That's why they're called girl gamers and not just gamers

[QUOTE=Laserbeams;51984562]Because she does not have the set of skills required for AAA game animation? If she actually learns to animate, then no one will have a problem with her being a lead animator, but she didn't. [...][/QUOTE] That makes a tiny bit more sense, but when you say 'anywhere near the gaming industry' I think most people understand that as it's written, i.e. [I]any[/I] job in games creation.

[QUOTE=Laserbeams;51984562]Because she does not have the set of skills required for AAA game animation? If she actually learns to animate, then no one will have a problem with her being a lead animator, but she didn't. You're saying that it's okay for Bioware to hire bad animators just because they have other animators already? What? It's not an arbitrary set of skills. Good animation is very much a definite thing that exists and can be distinguished from bad animation. Also, "her critics may have zero animation or industry knowledge" is a huge-non argument. Her critics may be shitty people because they may be misogynists and harassers, but them being bad animators has literally nothing to do with anything. P.S. you didn't have to spell out that last part to me, because it's exactly what I said anyway.[/QUOTE] You said she doesn't belong in the gaming industry. The gaming industry is more than just Bioware, fam.

[QUOTE=Dr.C;51984587]I wasn't clear enough with what I wrote or I really screwed up somewhere. I didn't mean that we're all sexist or that you have to be sexist to be a gamer. I was saying that sexism and trolling are something prevalent in gaming communities and this is something we have all seen. It's also something that negatively affects all of us since us people who aren't sexist or trolls get lumped in with the misogynists and trolls Now that's definitely the opposite of what I was trying to get across.[/QUOTE] Regardless of what you want to get across, that's happening. You can't just have a whole section of the internet repeat "X is Y" without it actually having an effect on the social paradigms that exist.

[QUOTE=Tamschi;51984491]Yes, but that would be 'interest in the same sex'. I'm fairly certain ROFLBURGER just mistyped that as the opposite.[/QUOTE] it was a typo

[QUOTE=Te Great Skeeve;51984569]She wasn't lead animator. It's literally the big image in the first post. She has had a few years experience, I am sure she can handle animation at an AAA company. Hell, EA walks into colleges and takes people right from classes. Saw it myself lol. Plus, who are we to judge how good or well a job she did? For all we know, she could have done an amazing job.[/QUOTE] She said so on her Twitter bio and then edited it, that's also literally in the first post. Bioware denies it but there's something weird going on here. [QUOTE=Pascall;51984589]You said she doesn't belong in the gaming industry. The gaming industry is more than just Bioware, fam.[/QUOTE] Okay, replace "Bioware" with "any other game company". How does that make my point less valid? [QUOTE=Lambeth;51984571]Maybe the project was mismanaged as fuck and she didn't have time to make the animations look good[/QUOTE] Knowing Bioware, that's a definite possibility. I guess I did jump the gun a bit and blamed her without enough information about what's going on.

[QUOTE=Laserbeams;51984608]She said so on her Twitter bio and then edited it, that's also literally in the first post. Bioware denies it but there's something weird going on here. Okay, replace "Bioware" with "any other game company". How does that make my point less valid? Knowing Bioware, that's a definite possibility. I guess I did jump the gun a bit and blamed her without enough information about what's going on.[/QUOTE] Because she has a decent animation reel and not all games are AAA games and games in general is a diverse medium that requires differentiated skillsets, even in animators, because animation involves something called "style" and when a game has a certain "style" not every animator is fit to be apart of that "style" but there are certain people who might be absollutely fit to be a part of that "style" even if they don't necessarily fit into a AAA game "style". GAMING is such a broad and general industry and as general as movies and they are DIFFERENT and VARIED and require any number of people with any number of skills, styles, perceptions, and visions and just because this ONE chick didn't fit into this ONE job at this ONE game studio for this ONE game does not automatically disqualify her from the [B]gaming industry[/B] as a whole. Do you understand what I'm saying.