Gamers harass woman online over Mass Effect Andromeda - Sensationalist Headlines

[QUOTE=Lonestriper;51984921]Uhh dude we're talking about someone who worked on a AAA game in a community of people that had a very long, bitter, and public internet meltdown which touched on issues of misogyny, harassment, and ethics. How is this not newsworthy?[/QUOTE] We're also talking about the internet, thr same place people use to say "fuck your whole family, I hope they get cancer" at least twice a day if you do bad in a game or if people rage at you for whatever reason. Besides, last time this same thing hapoened, a witch hunt erupted. People shouls know better by now, but hey guess what, all gamers are evil and we must expose them right?

[QUOTE=Fangz;51984265]Regardless if she and/or Bioware are lying or not, she doesn't deserve the rape and death threats she has been getting. This should be obvious, no doubt.[/QUOTE] Right? Imagine getting so riled up over a video game, let alone such a terrible franchise. If you're going to harass someone over ME:A's facial animations, harass no one then because those clearly weren't taken care of. And please don't take your complaints to the intern in charge of lip movements and blinking, that's just rude and ableist tbh

[QUOTE=Grandzeit;51986253]People see someone posing as the [B]lead[/B] animator and instantly think that this single person is responsible for all of the wonky animations, because the average person doesn't know terribly much about AAA game development. Whether she's a woman or not wouldn't have kept her from being harassed, it just means they targeted her with things like implying she got her position with sexual favors. That's not to rule out the possibility that there's actually some people that attack her just because she's a woman, though.[/QUOTE] See, how did they come across her in the first place though? Because if they look at the credits she's actually not listed as lead. And I assume the Ralph Retort is aware that in a 1000+ team, there isn't [I]one[/I] person responsible for facial animation.

[QUOTE=Big Bang;51986461]See, how did they come across her in the first place though? Because if they look at the credits she's actually not listed as lead. And I assume the Ralph Retort is aware that in a 1000+ team, there isn't [I]one[/I] person responsible for facial animation.[/QUOTE] She was linked as lead facial animator on linkedin afaik.

[QUOTE=Annoyed Grunt;51986161]I am mad at cunts, and I am mad at shit journalism. I don't see why the two things are mutually exclusive. This kind of shit happens everywhere, it's just that for some reason people like piling on videogame fans. I also hope you realise the inherent fallacy in the "Gamers are unfairly represented " "Well if they weren't bad they wouldn't be would they?" discussion. I hope you also realize the inherent fallacy in your argument. Imagine you were speaking about Muslims or something. "I mean you could try and change the headlines from 'Evil Muslims Kill 10 Children" to "New terror attack by ISIS" but some people are gonna hate Muslims as a whole anyway so why bother, also I think the fact ten children died is more important"[/QUOTE] The topics of gaming and terrorist attacks are not equal at all? Why do people keep making this connection when it's pretty wildly obvious that if the topic were on something that had more to do with life or death that it'd be something a little more pressing? I care more about the harassment of women in gaming because it's a relevant issue to me personally. Like I said, if you want to advocate for changing how the media presents "gamers" then feel free? I'm not stopping you lol.

[QUOTE=Crimor;51986590]She was linked as lead facial animator on linkedin afaik.[/QUOTE] But then wasn't even present in the credits. Bioware are the ones to blame, and people shouldn't be harassing any of the developers at all, considering Bioware are the ones that hired them and aren't calling any changes to what's been done so far. Heck, they've even said there won't be any Day 1 patches to fix animations which are unrealistic and just janky-looking, which proves the point of how they just don't care about the game. They're probably after this sort of reaction to fuel feminists into protecting and praising the game to defend it from "evil misogynystic video gamers".

[QUOTE=Crimor;51985967]Cutting down a few trees doesn't make you a lumberjack etc, etc. [/QUOTE] Well, arguing on twitter(or harassing people) doesn't make you a gamer. [editline]20th March 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Grandzeit;51986253]People see someone posing as the [B]lead[/B] animator and instantly think that this single person is responsible for all of the wonky animations, because the average person doesn't know terribly much about AAA game development. Whether she's a woman or not wouldn't have kept her from being harassed, it just means they targeted her with things like implying she got her position with sexual favors. That's not to rule out the possibility that there's actually some people that attack her just because she's a woman, though.[/QUOTE] On the topic of responsibility, the leader of a group is responsible for the product of said group. If she was the lead animation she was very much responsible for the animations in Andromeda. [editline]20th March 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=GentlemanLexi;51986937]But then wasn't even present in the credits. [B]Bioware are the ones to blame[/B], and people shouldn't be harassing any of the developers at all, considering Bioware are the ones that hired them and aren't calling any changes to what's been done so far. Heck, they've even said there won't be any Day 1 patches to fix animations which are unrealistic and just janky-looking, which proves the point of how they just don't care about the game. They're probably after this sort of reaction to fuel feminists into protecting and praising the game to defend it from "evil misogynystic video gamers".[/QUOTE] Are they? I think the people harassing her are the ones to blame. Or am I misunderstanding the topic?

Honestly I think people went a little far with her. People should be doing these kind of things to the company instead, EA, Bioware, for not giving a product worth 60$

Trolls will use any insult they can think of to get under your skin. Race, gender, sex, skill, character choice, strategy, parental relationships, virginity, occupation, anything to get a rise out of you and hurt your feelings. Somehow, because a person is targeted based on their sex being female, and mean comments are made regarding the person being the female sex, this is somehow worse and more notable than other death threats or insults to other people, and specifically makes gamers misogynistic on the whole. Harassment is horrible, but it is universal. In the end, all a troll wants to do is hurt your feelings and devalue you as a person. They want to feel superior. The words they use are a means to an end. People of both sexes, all genders, all races are fair game. Claiming women are harassed more or worse than men is something you would need statistics for, and since the [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_and_video_games#Genre_preferences"]majority of gamers of high salt-induced competitive genres (First Person Shooter, MOBA, sports, sandbox, turn based strategy) are overwhelmingly, 90% male,[/URL] I'd wager than men are statistically harassed more on the whole. To claim that all men insulted in games are due to a misogynistic culture is a weak attempt at trying to sexualize an issue that is primarily just a harassment issue. And trying to stick up for the "minority" is frankly insulting and patronizing because women can stand up for themselves. There's a feedback loop with media concerning women in gaming. Woman being harassed is notable, but guy being harassed is par for the course. Therefore they report more about the former than the latter. Making an article inflammatory will naturally receive more clicks, so they attempt to politicize the issue. Since it's being reported that gamers hate women, it pushes the narrative that gamers are inherently misogynistic and that gaming is an unsafe environment for women. Then everybody thinks its true because its being reported constantly. And then you'll get white knights that have to stick up of the perceived minority which ends up being patronizing and humiliating. And then people wonder why there are less women in [DEL]STEM[/DEL] the gaming industry. No one deserves to be harassed. The animator in this article might not even be the one who worked on this game. Honestly, who cares, it's shit animation, but you don't hound people over it unless you have a desire to hurt others and feel superior. It sucks she's being harassed, it sucks that anyone is harassed, but these articles are trying to push a narrative and use her pain as a stepping stool and its shitty to do that so people are calling it out.[B] I doubt anyone here thinks its a good thing she's harassed so obviously no one's talking about that point because there's no discussion to be had.[/B]

I play video games more than basically anyone I know and I don't think it's such a core part of my identity that I get offended when someone writes a story about gamers harrassing a person. It's just a hobby, jesus.

[QUOTE=Lambeth;51987172]I play video games more than basically anyone I know and I don't think it's such a core part of my identity that I get offended when someone writes a story about gamers harrassing a person. It's just a hobby, jesus.[/QUOTE] I stop people generalizing anything, and everything, that I can because it's a baseless form of thought that only causes people to get lazy in their thinking and justify bullshit to themselves. Sure, gamers aren't a disenfranchised group, but we're one of the largest demographics of "Entertainment" and this is how we're treated? Viewed? Thought about? Oh god, it's just a hobby, I guess I better let people think that, and not say anything to the contrary. Yeah it's just a hobby, but it's being used as a weapon to demonize said hobby, and make it harder for it to be accepted. It makes it harder to make the change requested by the people bitching. Want more women in gaming? Stop publishing articles like this that may very well scare people away from it before they have to deal with any bullshit.

[QUOTE=Lambeth;51987172]I play video games more than basically anyone I know and I don't think it's such a core part of my identity that I get offended when someone writes a story about gamers harrassing a person. It's just a hobby, jesus.[/QUOTE] If somebody said the majority of [example] are [bad characteristic] then it's pretty fair to say that [example] would be offended by being called [bad characteristic]. You don't consider yourself a gamer, that's fine. Other people do. And believe it or not, people don't like being told they're a bad person, either directly or implied. People don't like being stereotyped. So calling gamers sexist and then saying "it's just a hobby" devalues the feelings that person has and implies they "shouldn't care" about something they self-identify with.

[QUOTE=Lambeth;51987172]I play video games more than basically anyone I know and I don't think it's such a core part of my identity that I get offended when someone writes a story about gamers harrassing a person. It's just a hobby, jesus.[/QUOTE] The only part I really care about is the media discouraging others from joining the hobby because of dickheads that are present in just about any hobby to begin with.

Gamer is a non-term. Do you play games? Then you are a gamer. You do not have to self identify as it for it to apply to you. I don't, and have literally never, "Self identified" as a gamer, but I play more games than I do anything else in my life at this point. I don't feel annoyed that my hobby is being generalized because I'm being generalized. I get annoyed because I've spent years encouraging everyone I could to play games, recommending all sorts of titles and experiences because gaming is a genuinely incredible experience that people should be exposed to, as far as I'm concerened. That's why when articles come out that smear the whole spattering of people who make up this amorphous group of "Gamers", I will say "Stop generalizing", just as I would if the title was about black or asians, or any other demographic. Just because it's a demographic formed by your chosen behaviours and not one you have to be born into doesn't make it okay to generalize.

[QUOTE=jiggu;51987033] Are they? I think the people harassing her are the ones to blame. Or am I misunderstanding the topic?[/QUOTE] I'm talking about the real cause of the blame. If Bioware cared about quality control, there would be nothing to blame anything about since then the game wouldn't look subpar. But since they don't, people are looking for somebody to blame, so they go with the person who is referring to herself as "the lead facial animator"

So it is basically EA pumping up controversy about there game for marketing purposes. Why i am not surprised by this.

It's pretty fucked that people actually harassed her directly. Giggling in your own section of the internet about how she ruined the game or whatever is one thing, but attacking directly? If anything, people should have attacked Bioware. Lead facial animator at 24 years old? Either this person is a prodigy, or (as evidenced by, well, the game), too inexperienced. Though the whole thing is moot since [I]she wasn't even actually employed at Bioware.[/I]

[QUOTE=Gray Altoid;51987297]It's pretty fucked that people actually harassed her directly. Giggling in your own section of the internet about how she ruined the game or whatever is one thing, but attacking directly? If anything, people should have attacked Bioware. Lead facial animator at 24 years old? Either this person is a prodigy, or (as evidenced by, well, the game), too inexperienced. Though the whole thing is moot since [I]she wasn't even actually employed at Bioware.[/I][/QUOTE] Yeah!! Let's harass and bully her!! That'll motivate her to do better!! Or cover up my own insecurities :(

[QUOTE=Rammaster;51987371]Yeah!! Let's harass and bully her!! That'll motivate her to do better!! Or cover up my own insecurities :([/QUOTE] Okay genuine question Why are we getting so many disingenuous posts like this making an absolute mockery of what someone else said? This isn't the first of these posts in this thread, what's the point of it? He didn't say to do that, so why are you shoving a fist full of your own words into his mouth?

I wish the media would stop generalizing such a large group of people simply because of their hobby. I'm also surprised anyone on the internet cared enough about this game enough to seek out employees.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;51987385]Okay genuine question Why are we getting so many disingenuous posts like this making an absolute mockery of what someone else said? This isn't the first of these posts in this thread, what's the point of it? He didn't say to do that, so why are you shoving a fist full of your own words into his mouth?[/QUOTE] He wasn't disagreeing with Gray Altoid. The only people he was speaking on behalf of were the unspecified abusers who seem to believe that doing a bad job on a videogame is grounds for harassment.

[QUOTE=catbarf;51987422]He wasn't disagreeing with Gray Altoid. The only people he was speaking on behalf of were the unspecified abusers who seem to believe that doing a bad job on a videogame is grounds for harassment.[/QUOTE] That isn't very clear at all.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;51987427]That isn't very clear at all.[/QUOTE] Gray Altoid was criticizing bullies. Rammaster was mocking bullies. I don't see how else you could interpret it. I get that you have a problem with people making generalizations, and in principle I agree, but personally I wouldn't choose someone accusing online bullies of insecurity as my unfair-generalization hill to die on.

[QUOTE=catbarf;51987453]Gray Altoid was criticizing bullies. Rammaster was mocking bullies. I don't see how else you could interpret it. I get that you have a problem with people making generalizations, and in principle I agree, but personally I wouldn't choose someone accusing online bullies of insecurity as my unfair-generalization hill to die on.[/QUOTE] I'm not I just didn't see that as mocking an unspecified bully, just more of the regular "this is what you're actually saying" type crap. Online bullies are insecure, that's a given. I just disagree "gamer" equals, or should equal "bully".

I don't get what happens in a person's mind to make them go from, "[I]this game has silly animations"[/I] to "[I]I need to viciously harass, abuse, and humiliate the person responsible for those silly animations to the point that she actually fears for her life[/I]." What kind of pathetic, angry child do you have to be to go to such extreme lengths for something so fucking minor?

[QUOTE=Lambeth;51987172]I play video games more than basically anyone I know and I don't think it's such a core part of my identity that I get offended when someone writes a story about gamers harrassing a person. It's just a hobby, jesus.[/QUOTE] My parents have gotten mad at me for being "brainwashed" into being "misogynistic" because of these news stories. I am sure this is the case for many other kids (and adults sometimes) who are being generalized for this dumb shit just because we play videogames. So, basically, what I am trying to say is - how dare you. How bloody well dare you. I'm never not gonna stick up for this hobby because I love videogames and want everybody who wants to enjoy them to enjoy them too. "It's just a hobby" I spent most of my LIFE on videogames because I had nothing else to do and nowhere else to turn. "It's just a hobby." Wow. Honestly, yeah, I am offended. I am very offended. [editline]a[/editline] Going to reiterate, yeah this is horrible, this shouldn't have happened, but blaming everyone instead of the individuals who did it is just stupid. Games don't make you hate females.

Honestly, was it even worth the trouble to them? One of the biggest reasons why these people have went to such extremes to voice their hatred is because they were afraid that the mainstream audience would be too loyal to the brand to voice any displeasure at the game's (obvious) poor quality. But look at the reviews coming out from the major publications. They're all in agreement that the game is nowhere near as good as a game of this caliber should be. Hell, it's getting scores as low as 60%. That should be enough to tank a game, even one as hyped up as this one. So for all their fears that people would be too brand loyal to steer clear of a bad game, it probably would have happened regardless. If anything, they probably generated more sales for it. Spite's a hell of a motivator, and already I've seen people on social media saying "the best way to combat this harassment is to show your support by buying the game" or "I wasn't even interested in the game but I'll buy it to spite the haters". And other people have become afraid to say that they don't like the game because they don't want to get lumped in with these harassers. So the end result is these harassers taking a bad situation and making it a hell of a lot worse. If they had just let things be, they would have gotten front row seats to the gaming media asking Bioware "How did you fuck this up?" and been able to laugh about it for weeks. Instead, we get this. So again, do they think this was worth it?

I'm not trying to defend people who harass her but the comments on Kotaku is just... :speechless: [QUOTE]Not only is this despicable, it’s testament to how ignorant and stupid these cretins are. Bad animation can be the result of slow tools, unfriendly tech, limited staff resources, and countless other factors (including but not limited to the fact that getting human faces to feel “human” is really friggin’ hard).[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;51987486]I don't get what happens in a person's mind to make them go from, "[I]this game has silly animations"[/I] to "I need to viciously harass, abuse, and humiliate the person responsible for those silly animations to the point that she actually fears for her life." What kind of pathetic, angry child do you have to be to go to such extreme lengths for something so fucking minor?[/QUOTE] People full of hate and willing to express it any chance they get.

Oh god CNet's sources are absolute fucking garbage. The ralphretort featuring objective news such as [B]How I Lost 50 Pounds In Two Months How I Lost 50 Pounds In Two Months[/B] [B]Colin Moriarty is the Latest PC Culture Casualty, But He Will End Up Much Richer For It Colin Moriarty is the Latest PC Culture Casualty, But He Will End Up Much Richer For It[/B] [B] Elitist Assholes Like Josh Barro Helped Make Trump Possible Elitist Assholes Like Josh Barro Helped Make Trump Possible[/B] and Kotaku of all places? Really? Tell me you people don't see these biased sources from a mile away. Don't jump straight to "GRRR THOSE DARN GAYMERS" and actually look at these sources and the type of news they provide.