Mozilla launches Firefox Quantum, the biggest change in it's history - Sensationalist Headlines

I'm using it right now and it does seem to function better than chrome while under a heavier load of tabs. I think it slowed down a bit but it's still very usable where Chrome would be slugging for me. It's also worth mentioning that it comes with three built in skins, one being a dark skin, one light, and one blue, so that's nice. But it seems like regardless of which you use, the tab you're using has a blue accent. However it seems like other themes can remove that so you can find your own preference. Overall, yeah, I like a lot of the shit they added, it runs well, it feels super user friendly, I think this might replace chrome for me. It'll take some time I imagine for a lot of extensions to catch up or be replaced, but that's to be expected. Either way this'll give google a kick in the ass if they needed one to make Chrome better.

[QUOTE=Tamschi;52889471]They make money by selling your browser history. Supposedly they scrub personally identifiable information, but we all know how feasible that is when you have a list of essentially free-form strings that you need to process without anyone looking at them first. [editline]14th November 2017[/editline] The former actually has been available for a while, [URL="https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/tree-style-tab/"]here[/URL]. I'm not sure which add-on you mean by 'Session Manager', but if it's Tab Session Manager then [URL="https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/tab-session-manager/"]that's available too[/URL].[/QUOTE] I think he means this addon [url=https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/session-manager]Session Manager[/url] I find it a shame Quantum permanently broke [url=https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/tab-groups-panorama/]Tab Groups[/url]. Is there any other addons that would allow you to keep track of the tabs in a similar way?

[QUOTE=anthonywolfe;52889635]I think he means this addon [url=https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/session-manager]Session Manager[/url] I find it a shame Quantum permanently broke [url=https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/tab-groups-panorama/]Tab Groups[/url]. Is there any other addons that would allow you to keep track of the tabs in a similar way?[/QUOTE] Mozilla has a container addon, it's fairly different though. Instead of just being groups, they actually all have different logins/sessions entirely. But i'm sure there's other addons, it depends on your feature checklist

Is Chrome less memory intensive/resource intensive?

[QUOTE=Tamschi;52889471]The former actually has been available for a while, [URL="https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/tree-style-tab/"]here[/URL]. I'm not sure which add-on you mean by 'Session Manager', but if it's Tab Session Manager then [URL="https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/tab-session-manager/"]that's available too[/URL].[/QUOTE] thanks for pointing these out, however when reopening ff57 it takes over a minute for it to be usable due to loading my couple hundred tabs for some reason. tree style tabs seems to also be super buggy atm, I can't group my tabs properly

[QUOTE=TheNerdPest14;52889855]Is Chrome less memory intensive/resource intensive?[/QUOTE] No

[QUOTE=Handsome Matt;52889984]being a programmer; i had 100+ tabs open as I dive deeper and deeper into a specific issue with whatever I'm working on - as I solve the issues I pop the tabs backwards resolving each issue along the way i can have 3 windows with 100 tabs each on firefox quantum and it doesn't fucking care, no lag at all[/QUOTE] I mean, that makes sense, since your actively researching something. I don't get how people can keep hundreds of tabs up [i]perpetually[/i].

[QUOTE=redBadger;52888953]I never understood how people could have more than even 10 tabs open maybe it's my ocd[/QUOTE] tvtropes

Been using it for about a month or so now since it went into beta, quite liked it. That being said, i'm not one to bother heavily customizing it, so I can't speak to the usefulness of it on that front.

[QUOTE=Demache;52889993]I mean, that makes sense, since your actively researching something. I don't get how people can keep hundreds of tabs up [i]perpetually[/i].[/QUOTE] Easy: Take what Matt does and add working on three different things at the same time. The issues normally don't resolve themselves within a few hours either, especially if you're learning a new development environment. I admittedly have too many irons in the fire for my own good though. [editline]14th November 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Tobba;52890000]tvtropes[/QUOTE] And that.

Is there an alternative working method for [url]https://userstyles.org/styles/142191/remove-new-tab-flash[/url] ?

[QUOTE=redBadger;52888953]I never understood how people could have more than even 10 tabs open maybe it's my ocd[/QUOTE] I'm gonna confess and say I get way out of control with my tabs and end up building up to 3-4 windows and about 50 tabs across the board. On my phone I'm even fucking worse where I'm up to 400 tabs on Chrome alone as I see don't see the tabs as easily and just forget about them, the tab counter changes to a :D face so the only way for me to count my tabs is to close them all and undo it to keep them going [IMG]https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/226959018722066432/296327584948420619/IMG_20170328_165536.jpg[/IMG] I think I have a problem

[QUOTE=Rar;52889129]Over half the extensions I use don't have FF57 ports yet, with some missing the APIs needed to function. Feels like this push for WebExtensions comes too soon if there are still missing APIs.[/QUOTE] Sounds like they wont even bother porting over the missing API's, which half my favorite extensions use. Firefox has turned into [I]"I can't believe it's not Chromium"[/I], guess I'll have to stick with FF 56.0.2 until they come to their senses or someone (Pale Moon?) picks up the torch from where Mozilla lazily dropped it.

I'm planning on moving over to it as soon as No Script and some other addons get added.

[QUOTE=Van-man;52890049]Sounds like they wont even bother porting over the missing API's, which half my favorite extensions use. Firefox has turned into [I]"I can't believe it's not Chromium"[/I], guess I'll have to stick with FF 56.0.2 until they come to their senses or someone (Pale Moon?) picks up the torch from where Mozilla lazily dropped it.[/QUOTE] That doesn't sound very secure. I'd recommend sticking to ESR or something instead, since that's at least being kept updated with security fixes.

[QUOTE=mastersrp;52890061]That doesn't sound very secure. I'd recommend sticking to ESR or something instead, since that's at least being kept updated with security fixes.[/QUOTE] Doubt downgrading is a good idea either. Either way, they should've predicted this behavior.

[QUOTE=FlamingSpaz;52888940]WhatsApp web only lets you use it on one browser at a time, maybe thats the issue?[/QUOTE] I don't use my work and home PCs at the same time, it's never been a problem before either. I used to run WhatsApp Web on two machines pre-57. Something about my home installation must just be fucked.

so does this mean win 10 will stop bitching about how my web browser uses a ton of power compared to microsoft edge?

[QUOTE=Van-man;52890049]Sounds like they wont even bother porting over the missing API's, which half my favorite extensions use. Firefox has turned into [I]"I can't believe it's not Chromium"[/I], guess I'll have to stick with FF 56.0.2 until they come to their senses or someone (Pale Moon?) picks up the torch from where Mozilla lazily dropped it.[/QUOTE] Mozilla are usually not too bad with their extension stuff. I'd expect APIs that are wanted by a large enough portion of their users will come back. But they have been working on this platform reshuffle for a very long time and things will have been missed just to get it out on time. What APIs are actually missing anyway? I don't feel the need to run 16 thousand different extensions any more myself (despite it being a reason I liked FF in the past) so I've not been impact by it.

[QUOTE=Sableye;52890096]so does this mean win 10 will stop bitching about how my web browser uses a ton of power compared to microsoft edge?[/QUOTE] "Hey so I see you're using that new version of FF. Did you know Edge is bluer than it though? You should switch"

[QUOTE=Van-man;52890076]Doubt downgrading is a good idea either. Either way, they should've predicted this behavior.[/QUOTE] I mean, what you described is largely why ESR exists. Its the slow release for business use so things don't randomly break while keeping it up to date as far as security and bugs go.

[QUOTE=GammaFive;52890016]Is there an alternative working method for [url]https://userstyles.org/styles/142191/remove-new-tab-flash[/url] ?[/QUOTE] You'll probably have to import it into the profile config [url]https://github.com/Aris-t2/CustomCSSforFx[/url] if you remove the stylish parts of the style file, it should work directly

[QUOTE=Van-man;52890076]Doubt downgrading is a good idea either. Either way, they should've predicted this behavior.[/QUOTE] "Downgrading" to ESR is a MUCH better solution than using software that never receives updates, and thus leaving your system and every other system in the world, vulnerable. 1) ESR receives security fixes, and thus remains secure. This means you continue protecting yourself, and others from yourself. 2) Security is only 0.01% for your direct own good. The rest is to protect the rest of the world from your systems being botnets and doing batshit crazy stuff that in the end will end up hurting you as well. Think of it like vaccines. If you don't keep your body healthy and secure against deadly threats, they may not hurt you, but they'll hurt people around you and probably eventually you as well indirectly.

to add, using smaller forks like Pale moon/waterfox are terrible ideas too. They're usually one person tearing out the floorboards, adding in other bits and it never gets the same security reviews as the upstream projects, which have teams of security engineers. You'd be much better off just using chrome at that point.

[QUOTE=Scratch.;52890133]You'll probably have to import it into the profile config [url]https://github.com/Aris-t2/CustomCSSforFx[/url] if you remove the stylish parts of the style file, it should work directly[/QUOTE] Got it working, thanks.

[QUOTE=Scratch.;52889211][url]http://tabmixplus.org/support/troubleshooting/data/legacy-tabmix.html[/url] not yet at least. I'm just sticking with waterfox though, since above webextensions is just using unsigned extension support. Means I can just hack my own functions into them as unzipped xpis[/QUOTE] Ah, have they determined that it'll be possible to port it to Web Extension? That's good. It's one of my most used addons along with Stylish (replaced with Stylus the other day) and Greasemonkey (replaced with Tampermonkey awhile back when they updated Greasemonkey and utterly broke several userscripts I use) so it's pretty important to keep it. Those, Ghostery, uBlock, uMatrix, and Reminderfox are the most important by far. Reminderfox apparently isn't getting any further updates though and actually is a bit bugged even in FF56. Too bad they couldn't leave the old extension system in as something disabled by default but still an option even if it negatively affects performance to use it. [QUOTE=Van-man;52890049]Sounds like they wont even bother porting over the missing API's, which half my favorite extensions use. Firefox has turned into [I]"I can't believe it's not Chromium"[/I], guess I'll have to stick with FF 56.0.2 until they come to their senses or someone (Pale Moon?) picks up the torch from where Mozilla lazily dropped it.[/QUOTE] But they absolutely [I]must[/I] compete with Chrome. By copying Chrome every step of the way and driving those who stuck to Firefox because they can't stand Chrome away from Firefox as well. [QUOTE=hexpunK;52890100]Mozilla are usually not too bad with their extension stuff. I'd expect APIs that are wanted by a large enough portion of their users will come back. But they have been working on this platform reshuffle for a very long time and things will have been missed just to get it out on time. What APIs are actually missing anyway? I don't feel the need to run 16 thousand different extensions any more myself (despite it being a reason I liked FF in the past) so I've not been impact by it.[/QUOTE] The issue with the new addon api is that they're standardizing to Chrome's shitty Web Extensions which are missing a lot of the stuff necessary for many popular Firefox addons to even function in the name of security. Which is totally retarded since I don't recall security ever really being a notable issue with addons from Mozzila's site.

[QUOTE=mastersrp;52890167]"Downgrading" to ESR is a MUCH better solution than using software that never receives updates, and thus leaving your system and every other system in the world, vulnerable. 1) ESR receives security fixes, and thus remains secure. This means you continue protecting yourself, and others from yourself. 2) Security is only 0.01% for your direct own good. The rest is to protect the rest of the world from your systems being botnets and doing batshit crazy stuff that in the end will end up hurting you as well. Think of it like vaccines. If you don't keep your body healthy and secure against deadly threats, they may not hurt you, but they'll hurt people around you and probably eventually you as well indirectly.[/QUOTE] Rock and hard, place, they should strongly consider either making a official downgrade procedure that doesn't break things or make 56 the next ESR [QUOTE=FlamingSpaz;52890213]to add, using smaller forks like Pale moon/waterfox are terrible ideas too. They're usually one person tearing out the floorboards, adding in other bits and it never gets the same security reviews as the upstream projects, which have teams of security engineers. You'd be much better off just using chrome at that point.[/QUOTE] What if neither Chrome nor Firefox is ideal anymore due to their recent development directions?

[QUOTE=hexpunK;52890100]What APIs are actually missing anyway? I don't feel the need to run 16 thousand different extensions any more myself (despite it being a reason I liked FF in the past) so I've not been impact by it.[/QUOTE] There appears to be inadequate APIs for styling the UI, I don't know how many add-ons this effects, I know there is no API for creating a new toolbar either (I liked the add-on bar...) I believe this effect Status-4-ever, TabMixPlus, ClassicThemeRestorer and probable others. One of the extensions I use (open in browser) has managed to work around this issue by completely replacing the window (the download pop-up) it would otherwise style, however this is going to cause issues with other add-ons that want to do the same thing, flashgot (no WE port yet) also adds it's own option to the download window, which won't work with if open in browser replaces it. Status-4-ever needs APIs to get the status text, the author has stated that the major APIs it's needs are absent in WebExtensions NoScript's WE port does not have all the features of the old version, I believe this has been stated to be due to missing API features. There are probable other missing APIs, I only looked into those relevant to the extensions I use.

Quantum certainly runs faster for me, at the expense of everything else. It cranks my disk usage up to 99%. :v: [editline]14th November 2017[/editline] Nevermind, it's suddenly not murdering my disk usage. Odd.

[QUOTE=Van-man;52890265]Rock and hard, place, they should strongly consider either making a official downgrade procedure that doesn't break things or make 56 the next ESR What if neither Chrome nor Firefox is ideal anymore due to their recent development directions?[/QUOTE] They probably will as well, but presently FF52 ESR supports things like java plugin, which FF56 doesn't iirc. In fact I believe 52 is the last release to support it, being business friendly and all.