People are pissed about 'Star Wars Battlefront II' loot boxes - Sensationalist Headlines

Its still technically P2W if you rank up then buy the crates. This just stops someone from buying a bunch of crates on day one and becoming powerful without ranking up first.

[QUOTE=Anglor;52773971]By that logic, what’s the point in even trying to improve upon the loot crate system? Whatever they do wont be enough. I know for a fact they are trying[/QUOTE] Remove the newest pox upon AAA, lootbox system itself.

[QUOTE=Van-man;52773953]Make it really bad, release a "fix" that only makes it somewhat bad, and announce it as a good fix.[/QUOTE] Honestly while making someone get to a certain level to use said card fixes the P2W element, it introduces a new problem: you just paid a shitload of money for something you can't use yet. I won't be buying the game at this point unless it gets super cheap but I can definitely see scores of angry people mad about that particular element of the crates. [editline]12th October 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Anglor;52773971]By that logic, what’s the point in even trying to improve upon the loot crate system? Whatever they do wont be enough. I know for a fact they are trying[/QUOTE] How about not having an RNG system that determines the relative strength of your character? I pay sixty fuckin' dollarydoos, I expect a full and complete gaming experience whose competitive PvP feature is fair and balanced. Cosmetic items in a crate? Sure, whatever, I don't give an iota of a fuck about that. Why are people's standards so low for video games these days? This shit never would've flown 15 years ago.

[QUOTE=New Cidem;52773946]Well it certainly wasn't like that in the beta, I dropped the highest rarity card for Heavy or something and started using it right away.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Van-man;52773953]Make it really bad, release a "fix" that only makes it somewhat bad, and announce it as a good fix.[/QUOTE] They literally included a disclaimer day one in the beta that said the crate and card system wasn't going to be the same in the full game..

Why is it that companies can't see that building up goodwill with an audience can lead to a significant amount of cash through people who otherwise wouldn't have spent the money because you fucked them over in some way, honestly, it's simple, it really is, Battlefront 2 right now could very easily get a significant PR boost through merely removing the lootboxes and making the content available in some form or another, no P2W scenario, no reason for people to get up in arms. Imagine just how much good PR that would earn them in the long run, honestly, PR is just as valuable, but no, gotta have that easy to abuse cheap ass gambling buck from those whales. [editline]edit[/editline] Honestly I just don't get it, like I understand, you want to make money, but being good to a consumer can lead to long term profits, Valve knew that at one point, though they slowly burnt away that consumer good will and practically invented the new craze, CD Projekt Red seem to be the current poster boys in regards to just how much good will can work for you, why can't other companies grasp it?

[QUOTE=New Cidem;52773988]How about not having an RNG system that determines the relative strength of your character? I pay sixty fuckin' dollarydoos, I expect a full and complete gaming experience whose competitive PvP feature is fair and balanced. Cosmetic items in a crate? Sure, whatever, I don't give an iota of a fuck about that. Why are people's standards so low for video games these days? This shit never would've flown 15 years ago.[/QUOTE] Yeah but games aren’t developed like they were 15 years ago. If they are upfront with the class requirements, why would you spend a shitload of money pre-emptively? Would you rather have the old, unconditional season pass system? If that is the case, I get why you are sorry. However, I fail to see why it’s EA’s responsibility to try to fix something which is unfixible with a single release without losing a ton of money (essentially failing its shareholders) when every other company is just going to continue doing it. I’m sure EA would follow suit if someone else took the leap of faith and proved the current industry wrong.

[QUOTE=Anglor;52774064]Yeah but games aren’t developed like they were 15 years ago. If they are upfront with the class requirements, why would you spend a shitload of money pre-emptively? Would you rather have the old, unconditional season pass system? If that is the case, I get why you are sorry. However, I fail to see why it’s EA’s responsibility to try to fix something which is unfixible with a single release without losing a ton of money (essentially failing its shareholders) when every other company is just going to continue doing it. I’m sure EA would follow suit if someone else took the leap of faith and proved the current industry wrong.[/QUOTE] You're pretending the anger is directed at EA only, and not the industry as a whole for their blatant greed.

I don't get the logic (or lack there-of) of the "why are you complaining? It's still in beta!" argument - like, when are you supposed to complain? You don't complain just to complain, you do it because you want the final product to change. That's obviously better than complaining after the final product's out. Imagine if the same argument was used for politics "why are you complaining about that new law? It hasn't even passed yet!".

[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;52774391]I don't get the logic (or lack there-of) of the "why are you complaining? It's still in beta!" argument - like, when are you supposed to complain? You don't complain just to complain, you do it because you want the final product to change. That's obviously better than complaining after the final product's out. Imagine if the same argument was used for politics "why are you complaining about that new law? It hasn't even passed yet!".[/QUOTE] Except for the fact that the Beta had disclaimers everywhere saying it was final, it said that the final game would differ.

[QUOTE=Tuskin;52774430]Except for the fact that the Beta had disclaimers everywhere saying it was final, it said that the final game would differ.[/QUOTE] yea they put disclaimers like that on literally everything, it doesn't mean its immune to criticism.

[QUOTE=Naught;52774443]yea they put disclaimers like that on literally everything, it doesn't mean its immune to criticism.[/QUOTE] But why complain about something that isn’t representative of the final product? For all you know what you’re complaining about is already fixed, or changed.

[QUOTE=Tuskin;52774458]But why complain about something that isn’t representative of the final product? For all you know what you’re complaining about is already fixed, or changed.[/QUOTE] why have a beta in the first place if it isn't representative of the final product?

[QUOTE=Naught;52774478]why have a beta in the first place if it isn't representative of the final product?[/QUOTE] "beta" is a misnomer, they basically offered people a chance to try the game. "Demo" more like. It was a weird rollout, playing the beta actually ended up making me decide against the game rather than sell me on it.

[QUOTE=Naught;52774478]why have a beta in the first place if it isn't representative of the final product?[/QUOTE] Betas are also called beta for a reason. They’re not final. [editline]12th October 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=New Cidem;52774489]"beta" is a misnomer, they basically offered people a chance to try the game. "Demo" more like. It was a weird rollout, playing the beta actually ended up making me decide against the game rather than sell me on it.[/QUOTE] Well this build is probably a couple months old.

[QUOTE=Tuskin;52774490]Betas are also called beta for a reason. They’re not final.[/QUOTE] and you're allowed to criticize and complain about anything put into a beta, because its a beta. At least, you know, back in the day, beta's for games were meant for balancing purposes, and the like. Saying that people aren't allowed to get upset at the shitty microtransactions 'because it isn't final' is exactly what EA wants you to think, so they can push that shit out (or in their case, push it out but make it a little bit less bullshit so they can say they're hearing your complaints)

[QUOTE=Tuskin;52774490]Betas are also called beta for a reason. They’re not final.[/QUOTE] I'm sure they collected lots of information for bug testing over the course of just 2 days on 3 maps with no explicitly demonstrated bug reporting feature. I'll bet there was one too but if their objective was to actually test the game they sure dropped the ball and instead picked up the "this is like a chance to try the game!" ball.

[QUOTE=Naught;52774508]and you're allowed to criticize and complain about anything put into a beta, because its a beta. At least, you know, back in the day, beta's for games were meant for balancing purposes, and the like. Saying that people aren't allowed to get upset at the shitty microtransactions 'because it isn't final' is exactly what EA wants you to think, so they can push that shit out (or in their case, push it out but make it a little bit less bullshit so they can say they're hearing your complaints)[/QUOTE] Complaining about the gameplay balancing is fine. I’m referring to the star cards and crates which had disclaimers saying the final game will have more

and why even bring out a beta if 'nothing' in it is going to be final, in a game thats going to be released a month from now. The game is the final release, just like with battlefield 1, and basically any game that brought out a beta a bit before release. They're just withholding content and testing the microtransaction waters. The last month or so is probably just going to be QA testing and wrapping up production. "Nothing is final" is just a scapegoat to attempt to avoid criticism. If they wanted people on board with the game, they wouldn't have included such a shitty system in their beta, if it wasn't going to be close to the final product. [editline]13th October 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Tuskin;52774527]Complaining about the gameplay balancing is fine. I’m referring to the star cards and crates which had disclaimers saying the final game will have more[/QUOTE] star cards and crates are a part of gameplay when they directly impact it

[QUOTE=Naught;52774532]star cards and crates are a part of gameplay when they directly impact it[/QUOTE] and I agree that is legitimate thing to judge and you should tell them about. im specifically referring to drop rates and how to get them.

[QUOTE=Tuskin;52774490]Betas are also called beta for a reason. They’re not final.[/QUOTE] Make no mistake. These betas are not betas, they are timed demos designed to draw attention and get you ready to throw lots and lots and lots of dollarinos at your PC.

[QUOTE=V12US;52774946]Make no mistake. These betas are not betas, they are timed demos designed to draw attention and get you ready to throw lots and lots and lots of dollarinos at your PC.[/QUOTE] I dunno they have a troubleshooting forum taking issues. And the FAQ they just released even shows it isn't final. The leaked Kamino gameplay shows that as well.

[QUOTE=Naught;52774532]and why even bring out a beta if 'nothing' in it is going to be final, in a game thats going to be released a month from now. The game is the final release, just like with battlefield 1, and basically any game that brought out a beta a bit before release. They're just withholding content and testing the microtransaction waters. The last month or so is probably just going to be QA testing and wrapping up production. "Nothing is final" is just a scapegoat to attempt to avoid criticism. If they wanted people on board with the game, they wouldn't have included such a shitty system in their beta, if it wasn't going to be close to the final product.[/QUOTE] The developers never said "Nothing is final" - they put a disclaimer saying that the way cards and progression worked wouldn't be the same in the full game. The beta was designed so people would be able to try out as much stuff as possible. So yeah, you can feel free to criticize the beta version of the system but it should be pretty obvious why it's pointless. I'm not defending loot crates, they shouldn't even exist to begin with (especially ones that actually influence gameplay) but their inclusion isn't enough to turn me off from buying the game. This game solves the main problems I had with the first, namely the tiny amount of content, paid DLC maps, and dumb in-game card pickup system to get vehicles and heroes. The game still looks and sounds beautiful, is amazingly well optimized, and has fun gameplay. I won't spend a dime on crates and it's not going to make my experience any worse.

[QUOTE=Lebofly;52767455]Amazing you think everyone would be used to it by now, how are people even remotely surprised about this? Get a grip, you don't have to buy DLCs or in-game loot. Hell I'm sure the SP campaign will be worth the money alone.[/QUOTE] I love how this literally glosses over the fact that you will be at an objective disadvantage if someone can actually genuinely buy lootboxes in mass and just earn rank that way "You don't have to" god it only puts you at a disadvantage

[QUOTE=J!NX;52775643]I love how this literally glosses over the fact that you are at an objective disadvantage by not paying more money to get lootboxes[/QUOTE] Not entirely, because you need to actually play the game and level up to get the ability to use the stuff in the boxes. If you drop $100 at level 1, you wouldn't be able to use everything you get. Its more like 'Pay now, win later'

I love how everyone is holding EA's ass to the fire in an effort to have them make a legitimately good game. Hopefully they go after weapon imbalance next because that bluurgh pistol was disgustingly good hence the name.

The pistol was named after an animal native to Ryloth seen in Clone Wars and Rebels.

[QUOTE=Tuskin;52783834]The pistol was named after an animal native to Ryloth seen in Clone Wars and Rebels.[/QUOTE]he was making a joke where the pistol's silly name wasn't the point.

Pay To Play, Early Access, the fken wasteland of modern gaming.

[QUOTE=Tuskin;52774458]But why complain about something that isn’t representative of the final product? For all you know what you’re complaining about is already fixed, or changed.[/QUOTE] Why put out a "beta" if you don't want feedback? "Hey guys, I made this game - it's a WiP, but still!" "Oh wow guys why are you asking me to change stuff, maybe I already changed it who knows??" It makes perfect sense to complain about/object to what's being put out. The fact that "you don't know" whether something has already changed is totally irrelevant, because, y'know, maybe it hasn't.

I wonder when we're going to get lootboxes that unlock actual game content like "Open this loot box for a chance to unlock FOV sliders!" or "Buy this Lootcrate Package to get Motion Blur and AA!"