Sex requests and obscene gestures 'the norm' for genuine Asian massage businesses - Sensationalist Headlines

[QUOTE=sgman91;53008113]Do you disagree? Is every guy who goes to a prostitute inherently sexist, even when totally legal?[/QUOTE] Contrasting legal, regulated, prostitution where it is explicitly clear that the woman is a sex worker with sexual harassment is retarded

[QUOTE=sgman91;53008113]Do you disagree? Is every guy who goes to a prostitute inherently sexist, even when totally legal?[/QUOTE] No? It's sexist if you're expecting women to give you sexual favors for money no matter what. Also massage therapy isn't prostitution, and it is incredibly naive to think it is.

[QUOTE=Lord of Boxes;53008119]No? [B]It's sexist if you're expecting women to give you sexual favors for money no matter what.[/B] Also massage therapy isn't prostitution, and it is incredibly naive to think it is.[/QUOTE] That isn't what's happening, though? These men aren't going up to random women on the street, demanding sexual favors. They clearly were mistaken in thinking the place they went to did that kind of thing. It's an issue of ignorance and stupidity, not sexism. It's simply naive to think that the whole massage/sexual favors stereotype sprung out of existence from nothing.

[QUOTE=sgman91;53008133]That isn't what's happening, though? These men aren't going up to random women on the street, asking them for sexual favors. They clearly were mistaken in thinking the place they went to did that kind of thing. It's an issue of ignorance and stupidity, not sexism.[/QUOTE] You say that as if their mutually exclusive. [QUOTE]It's simply naive to think that the whole massage/sexual favors stereotype sprung out of existence from nothing.[/QUOTE] Yes, it comes from sexist shit-for-brains thinking that if women gratify them with one thing they can gratify them with much more. My mom's a massage therapist, so I have a feeling I know a good bit more about this than you do, buddy.

[QUOTE=Lord of Boxes;53008137]You say that as if their mutually exclusive.[/QUOTE] They aren't mutually exclusive, but they also aren't equivalent. You're the one claiming that asking these women, in this specific situation, is equivalent to, as you put it, "expecting women to give you sexual favors for money [B]no matter what[/B]." I say, no, it's not the same. One of them is expecting women to give you sexual favors for money based purely on them being women (i.e. sexism), and the other is expecting a woman in a specific profession and place to give you sexual favors. One is based on sex, and the other is based on profession and place. [QUOTE]My mom's a massage therapist, so I have a feeling I know a good bit more about this than you do, buddy.[/QUOTE] What is this even supposed to mean? I also know quite a few masseuses and message therapists, some who work at location and some who do private messages in homes. With that said, it's irrelevant. Your mom being a massage therapist gives you zero insight into the entirety of the industry.

why this nigga in the article look like kim jong un... [IMG]https://i.imgur.com/9DYnbjc.png[/IMG]

[QUOTE=sgman91;53008093]I feel like the term "sexism" is so meaningless now. It seems like any rude behavior from men towards women is just now called 'sexist' whether it has anything to do with real sexism or not. How is it sexist for a guy to want to pay a woman for sexual favors? These men clearly don't think that all women ought to give sex for money. They specifically thought this sort of place would give sexual favors for money. Obviously, they were wrong, but how does that make it sexist?[/QUOTE] It's sexist to assume you can just pay a woman for sex? Like it's it's racist to assume black dudes have big dicks? [editline]26th December 2017[/editline] Like I could also assume all conservatives are absolute nimrods because Donald Trump is a republican.

[QUOTE=Marphy Black;53007947]Boy, that's a pretty wacky story and- wait, why was your friend browsing for adult services on Backpage? And sending you links to them? And you cross referencing phone numbers with known prostitution establishments? :thinking:[/QUOTE] he probably just punched the name of the place into google and got that as a result

[QUOTE=SpartanXC9;53008081]It sounds like you're forcing your warped views onto something as simple as "dumb guys think all asian massages have handjobs afterwards"[/QUOTE] Is that not a pretty fuckin racist point of view to have?

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;53007733]The issue is a lot more complicated and has a lot more reasons for existing than just "men are sexist and hold patriarchal beliefs".[/QUOTE] I honestly think it has more to do with the stereotype that associates Asian massage parlors with happy endings than with Asian women being submissive.

[QUOTE=BF;53007632]Without trying to sound like a stereotypical sjw, a lot of men in society today still hold sexist, patriarchal beliefs, and those same men believe in the stereotype that Asian women are supposedly very submissive and will do anything for money. Those 'values' if you can call them that, are carried over from attitudes that dominated until the end of the 20th century. Eg it once wasn't unheard of for Australian men to slap young female receptionists on the ass, as if it were a normal thing.[/QUOTE] this isnt sjw shit, its a basic as fuck way of addressing social issues that shouldn't cause any commotion, but fp has an aversion to any term related to feminism

[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;53008321]this isnt sjw shit, its a basic as fuck way of addressing social issues that shouldn't cause any commotion, but fp has an aversion to any term related to feminism[/QUOTE] Soon common decency will be deemed to be sjw bullshit

[QUOTE=Shirt.;53007639]Thats exactly what stereotypical sjw's say though.[/QUOTE] Imagine being this much of a cretin [editline]27th December 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Zukriuchen;53008321]this isnt sjw shit, its a basic as fuck way of addressing social issues that shouldn't cause any commotion, but fp has an aversion to any term related to feminism[/QUOTE] I honestly feel those attitudes would probably dissipate if posters would just grow up a bit and sit down for half an hour and discuss it with their mothers or sisters or any actual real woman It always seems such views come from the more virginal sorts. I'm fairly sure I held more sexist views when I was younger. I'm probably being a bit optimistic

Okay, maybe I'm alone here, but am I the only one whose seeing this as a racist issue, rathern than a sexist issue? I mean, it's not that these guys are assuming that female masseuses give out sexual favors; it's that they are assuming that [b]Asian[/b] masseuses give out sexual favors. I mean, the article even says in the OP: [quote]Meanwhile right across the road, western massage provider 'Ella Bache' has no need for a sign.[/quote] This Asian massage parlor requires a "no sexual favors" sign, but a Western massage parlor just across the street doesn't have these issues. Surely that's more indicative of racist stereotypes over sexist stereotypes.

It's bizarre that it's legal to pay for a massage unless it's your dick getting rubbed. [editline]27th December 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=SebiWarrior;53007623]Why do people feel so entitled to a bj when there's a damn sign that warns you [I]you're not getting a bj[/I][/QUOTE] There's forums dedicated to finding massage parlors that offer extras, funnily enough it's usually the ones that say they don't offer extras. Just covering their asses.

I remember a few years back seeing a massage parlor here that had a sign in the window: "we serve women too"

[QUOTE=Clovis;53008181]I think the differences between a day-run massage parlor and a back alley massage parlor with a neon sign and late opening hours are pretty easily distinguishable from each other[/QUOTE] Not in my town. The problem is epidemic. Every massage parlor I can think of here offers at least a handjob. Whether directly or indirectly. And this includes spas in established hotel chains. In some cases the owners aren't even aware of what's happening behind the doors. You come in for a massage and pay the massage fees in which the "masseur" gets a small commission from. Whatever Dick Love & Care (or I like to call it as DLC) you get goes to the "masseur" full price. This generates return customers which makes the owners happy, and the masseur gets pocket money which is usually 5x the amount they make which makes them happy as well. This is happening because of foreign workers who come from countries where commercial sex is a norm come to this country and work illegally in massage parlors. In other words, sex workers are exploiting massage parlors in countries where it's illegal to offer their services. Because they're here working illegally they're not entitled to minimum wage so the owner can pay them peanuts. For the owners its a good deal because they maximize profits from the massage fees and if there's ever a police raid they can feign ignorance and act surprised. The workers get deported and the owner's license gets revoked, which in a few months (or should I say days because of how this country works) they can always get a new one and operate again. To make it worse, after a while local masseurs hear about this great opportunity to make big bucks, and those who are in it for the money hop on to the bandwagon. Further exacerbating the problem as now the town itself is starting to generate its own home grown sex workers. Its a problem for me because I frequently go to a good back cracking therapy due to work. Since these dirty parlous are starting to attract sex tourists and whatnot massage prices and getting jacked up real high, and the clean ones are already expensive as hell. To make it worse, the fact that the clean ones and the dirty ones are practically indistinguishable, being the cheapo me means that once a while I end up getting a disinterested masseur with weak ass piano hands who just want me to fuck and fuck off, so I have no choice but to leave with wasted cash. All massage parlors are pre-paid and there's no refunds. Its really flipping annoying. This is starting to occur in countries where prostitution is legal as well, simply because its cheaper for them and they don't have to do tedious things like getting a work visa and regular health screenings. My regular masseur always talks about how this places are ruining things for everyone. Sex workers should stick brothels not massage parlors.

[QUOTE=Clovis;53008181]I think the differences between a day-run massage parlor and a back alley massage parlor with a neon sign and late opening hours are pretty easily distinguishable from each other[/QUOTE] Obviously not

In Hong Kong, they have smiley faces on their signs if the massage parlor offers "extra's"

[QUOTE=Vodkavia;53008123]You're pretty much arguing with yourself. "it has nothing to do with prejudice..." [I]b u t...[/I] "people have prejudiced beliefs regarding this matter and they act on it." What kind of mental gymnastics is needed for someone to think that women being sexually harassed because men believe in stereotypes about women is not sexism?[/QUOTE] Its not women that are being stereotyped ya doof. Its massage parlors. The industry is the stereotype here.

Part of the problem comes from the fact that the sex tourism industry is a big deal in some parts of the world, thus feeding the stereotype everywhere else.

When I went to Indonesia with former aquaintences, we paid like $13 for a massage and sauna. I had no clue there would be a handy, until I did. :downs: I wouldn't go through it again, and I don't support the practice, as there could be some sort of trafficking behind the scenes.

[QUOTE=BF;53007632]Without trying to sound like a stereotypical sjw,[B] a lot of men in society today still hold sexist, patriarchal beliefs, and those same men believe in the stereotype that Asian women are supposedly very submissive and will do anything for money. [/B] [/QUOTE] Honestly I think it's less this and more that the specific business has that stereotype associated with it.

Imagine a male masseuse giving a female a handy out of no where like what's apparently happened to guys in this thread, Jesus Christ. I feel like i'd be uncomfortable enough receiving a massage let alone a surprise hand job

[QUOTE=Lebofly;53009649]Imagine a male masseuse giving a female a handy out of no where like what's apparently happened to guys in this thread, Jesus Christ. I feel like i'd be uncomfortable enough receiving a massage let alone a surprise hand job[/QUOTE] It doesn't really happen out of nowhere though. It's usually a misunderstanding because a clueless tourist bought the extra option and didn't realize because the meaning was lost in translation.

[QUOTE=Lambeth;53008170]It's sexist to assume you can just pay a woman for sex? Like it's it's racist to assume black dudes have big dicks? [editline]26th December 2017[/editline] Like I could also assume all conservatives are absolute nimrods because Donald Trump is a republican.[/QUOTE] Are you purposefully trying to take all the nuance out of the situation or do you honestly not see the difference between "assuming you can just pay a woman for sex," and assuming you can pay a woman in a very specific profession and place for sex? [editline]27th December 2017[/editline] This is exactly what I'm talking about. Because it's a man doing something bad to a woman, you totally ignoring everything else about the context and yell "sexism." That's all that matters.

[QUOTE=sgman91;53010479]Are you purposefully trying to take all the nuance out of the situation or do you honestly not see the difference between "assuming you can just pay a woman for sex," and assuming you can pay a woman in a very specific profession and place for sex? [editline]27th December 2017[/editline] This is exactly what I'm talking about. Because it's a man doing something bad to a woman, you totally ignoring everything else about the context and yell "sexism." That's all that matters.[/QUOTE] Are you arguing that this isn't sexism?

[QUOTE=Lambeth;53010683]Are you arguing that this isn't sexism?[/QUOTE] to be fair this is racist more than it is sexist where in this case it's in the same way as black people having big dicks isn't specifically sexist, instead being asians give happy endings at massage parlors

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;53009799]It doesn't really happen out of nowhere though. It's usually a misunderstanding because a clueless tourist bought the extra option and didn't realize because the meaning was lost in translation.[/QUOTE] I'm not gonna make claims about which is more frequent, but this was definitely not the case when it happened to my friend. He obviously said no, but the masseuse just placed her hand on his groin and said "boing boing?" or something to that effect. His mom and sister paid for the exact same massage, so yeah no.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;53009799]It doesn't really happen out of nowhere though. It's usually a misunderstanding because a clueless tourist bought the extra option and didn't realize because the meaning was lost in translation.[/QUOTE] Can't say much for everyone else but I've had a surprise hand job once by a masseur when I fell asleep despite me explicitly asking for a back sport massage. When I said no she became really hostile and demanded that I give her tips. Arguing with the receptionist (which is usually the owner) was fruitless because she gave me the "lmao you went to a dirty parlor what di you expect" card. Shame because she started really well (although it's probably because my back is sore and I was already tired as hell) before she decided to non-concensually fondle my dongle. I'd admit it's a rare case because most will ask you before doing things like that. But it does happen and we were both speaking the same language.