Apple firmly on course for $1 trillion valuation: analysts - Sensationalist Headlines

[QUOTE=Paul-Simon;52861341]We had to use shitty macs in our media class and it was a right pain in the ass. Slowest computers i've come across in the past 10 years, and they apparently cost a lot too. They really changed my idea about macs requiring less maintenance too, and in all honesty probably stole away about 25% of our education time, instead spent waiting for the systems to boot and the Adobe programs to open and attempt running on the shit hardware. If only the school had put that same money into HP or Dell laptops, we would have gotten computers probably 3 rules as fast.[/QUOTE] Probably not, because Apple gives a huge discount to schools, and if you buy computers in bulk - that discount is even bigger.

[QUOTE=DoktorAkcel;52861673]Probably not, because Apple gives a huge discount to schools, and if you buy computers in bulk - that discount is even bigger.[/QUOTE] Same thing goes for HP / Dell afaik. It was just annoying that the media class would get the crappiest computers on the entire school, just for the sake of having macs :v:

[QUOTE=djjkxbox;52859561]Our workplace uses Macs. Less maintenance, less issues, and all the software we need is available.[/QUOTE] I dropped my thinkpad down a flight of stairs after tripping really badly and all that it got was a scratch that literally rubbed out. This laptop is my replacement for my macbook, the screen of which shattered after I put my bag down a little too hard.

I find it kinda sad that the most valuable company on Earth is selling little more than a luxury line of phones - what's more sad is how little tax they pay on their immense profit.

[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;52865167]I find it kinda sad that the most valuable company on Earth is selling little more than a luxury line of phones - what's more sad is how little tax they pay on their immense profit.[/QUOTE] They sell a variety of products, unless you mean in relation to the other things they sell, then yeah the iPhone is way above anything else.

[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;52865167]I find it kinda sad that the most valuable company on Earth is selling little more than a luxury line of phones - what's more sad is how little tax they pay on their immense profit.[/QUOTE] But it's also impressive that they are capable of reaching that just by selling multi media products.

[QUOTE=djjkxbox;52861484]I mean that's probably an older Mac model, that was a lot slower. Some of the old ones were pretty damn slow, especially if they're just the base with no upgrades. The modern ones aren't like that though. Guess it's a matter of opinion, but it's worked well at our place[/QUOTE] They kinda suck for development. Like the biggest issue I have with OSX dev is that Apple is [I]literally[/I] the only real holdout on supporting Vulkan, so instead you either have to use their Metal API (bleh), or pay money for a MoltenVK license to make Metal act like Vulkan. And not all features are supported, some things act oddly, and good fucking luck debugging graphics bugs when you can't run a graphics debugger like RenderDoc. Also, their OpenGL support is only "nominal" 4.1, which is laughable at best. XCode does not compare to Visual Studio for development, at all. VS has loads more debugging tools, refactoring tools, and analysis tools. The one perk is that clang happens to be the default compiler, and that xcode plugins for clang-tidy and clang-format are fairly easy to get installed and working. I'll give Apple credit that OSX feels nice to use (so long as I don't want to dive in and get more power, not like I'd want that as a dev ofc), and that the hardware on the macbook I use at work is solid. And, to be fair, I'm using Ubuntu at least 70% of the time for development (mostly for a few key dev tools), so I'm not a strong proponent for Windows either. But I really fuckin hope there's no serious effort to replace PCs with Macs This happened at our work, btw. Our CEO owns a shitton of Apple stock (bet you he's feeling good rn) and tried to get everyone to use Macs until our devs rebelled and had productivity go way down. so it doesn't always work well to replace PCs with Apple products

Depends what kind of development, they're not bad for development on a whole. For that specific type of development then yeah they're not suitable, and you're right Visual Studio is better than Xcode, I know Visual Studio now exists for Mac but I've not tried it myself. I'm mainly doing web dev, which it works out great for, just need a VM for testing IE/Edge

[QUOTE=djjkxbox;52866453]Depends what kind of development, they're not bad for development on a whole. For that specific type of development then yeah they're not suitable, and you're right Visual Studio is better than Xcode, I know Visual Studio now exists for Mac but I've not tried it myself. I'm mainly doing web dev, which it works out great for, just need a VM for testing IE/Edge[/QUOTE] I'm coming from the standpoint of development for scientific simulations, applications (just general desktop apps), embedded systems, and gaming. Which is a fair chunk of the market. That being said, though, I know that lots of NASA folks use Macs for personal laptops (which is part of why I sorta have to use OSX): no way Apple stuff is replacing any of their hardware intended for heavy-lifting however, and most folks I've met working on flight software don't use Macs. I don't venture much outside of the world of what I do at work, though, so I've got a pretty narrow perspective ultimately. In what ways has using a Mac been outright superior or better than using a Windows machine for development tasks? I'm honestly curious. My experience hasn't been terrible, but it's not made a convert of me either.

I'm not saying they're better, and to be fair most of the big development software is available for both Windows and macOS now, so a lot of it is just down to OS preference. Talking about OS preference, on a personal note, I make big use of the trackpad gestures on the Mac. That and some features like Mission Control come in handy. I can develop on Windows, but it would take me some time to have the same level of speed given I'm used to the gestures and shortcuts on the Mac now [editline]7th November 2017[/editline] There's also some really nice Mac only applications, e.g. I make big use of [url=https://panic.com/transmit/]Transmit[/url].