There's A Website Dedicated To Stealing Furry Porn From Patreon Artists

[arlygoodbrownie]

[QUOTE=megafat;53038157]If you're pirating it, you weren't going to pay for it to begin with.[/QUOTE]

And then you post it online which makes it that no one has to pay for it ever again.

[Paul-Simon]

Thank you OP for recommending this convenient website!

[FuckOffEuroTrash]

[QUOTE=Destroyox;53038192]Locking your work behind a paywall is always shitty. Because guess what, most people who make things on the internet will focus entirety on the paid stuff and it won't be any more quality than the stuff before too. I've seen some artists on Tumblr/DA who basically stop posting because now everything is on patreon.[/QUOTE]

I don't see an issue for wanting your art you enjoy to be a source of income. Should all video games be free just because theres some decent free2plays on the market?

Thats a pretty shitty argument. If you don't want to pay for the content, then don't.

[sir whoopsalot]

[QUOTE=eatdembeanz;53038093]Really doesn't seem that much different from, say, TPB or Nyaa or any number of private trackers.[/QUOTE]

Because pirating content from big-ass companies is the same thing as pirating content from indie creators.

Yeah, makes total sense.

[Gmod4ever]

[QUOTE=Destroyox;53038192]Locking your work behind a paywall is always shitty. Because guess what, most people who make things on the internet will focus entirety on the paid stuff and it won't be any more quality than the stuff before too. I've seen some artists on Tumblr/DA who basically stop posting because now everything is on patreon.[/QUOTE]

Sounds like you just follow shitty artists.

There are plenty of artists who post a constant stream of high-quality, completely free content, while maintaining a Patreon to support themselves at the same time - and those who get lucky make enough off their Patreon to be able to devote all of their time to said art, without needing to take the time and energy to work a classic 9-to-5 job, which would then consequently drain both the time and energy they would otherwise spend on their art.

[Mitchell]

[QUOTE=Destroyox;53038192]Locking your work behind a paywall is always shitty. Because guess what, most people who make things on the internet will focus entirety on the paid stuff and it won't be any more quality than the stuff before too. I've seen some artists on Tumblr/DA who basically stop posting because now everything is on patreon.[/QUOTE]

Its their artwork and their choice whether it will be paid or not.
God forbid people from making money from their work.

Let's start bad-mouthing indie devs for selling their games instead of giving them away for free while we're at it :v:

[Talvy]

Artist I know release all their work for free later. Anyway, as far as I know people have always done this - now there's just a dedicated website for it.

[megafat]

[QUOTE=LegndNikko;53038261]And then you post it online which makes it that no one has to pay for it ever again.[/QUOTE]

And if your a decent person, you're supporting the people you like anyway.

[Sheepaay]

[QUOTE=Destroyox;53038192]Locking your work behind a paywall is always shitty. Because guess what, most people who make things on the internet will focus entirety on the paid stuff and it won't be any more quality than the stuff before too. I've seen some artists on Tumblr/DA who basically stop posting because now everything is on patreon.[/QUOTE]

If you're good at it don't do it for free.

[Plaster]

This really took a while to blow up, has been there for over a year now

[editline]9th January 2018[/editline]

I don't blame anyone for using it though, some artists just don't know that they won't make any more money from locking that YCH image on patreon for pretty much ever. Just release your old patreon posts and make them public, that's also a feature patreon has.

also this obviously applies very much too
[QUOTE=Noob4life;53038107]Does the "piracy does not equal lost sales" apply here? I'm leaning towards yes.[/QUOTE]
Not gonna pay someone to get pics earlier when I won't support them in the first place.

[Senn]

[QUOTE=Plaster;53038395]This really took a while to blow up, has been there for over a year now[/QUOTE]

How do you know that :smug:

[27X]

[QUOTE=Gbps;53038098]Still pretty fucking scummy to take from independent artists. Furry porn is no exception :v:[/QUOTE]

There's several websites doing this with almost any patreon related material now, this is just the largest source at the moment. People simply do not give a fuck, literally or metaphorically. They want their ______ NAOW and they don't want to pay for it.

[Nahash]

[QUOTE=Sheepaay;53038362]If you're good at it don't do it for free.[/QUOTE]

Incase and shadman prove that wrong though, both release all their work for free and still manage to make a living off of porn.

[Rastadogg]

[QUOTE=Doom14;53038153]Commissions.
Uncensored work.
"Your Character Here's"
Non-Delayed Comic Pages
HQ Versions of normal stuff.
Things not posted elsewhere compiled into a pack.
Adoptables, aka premade characters people buy the right to use. I don't get it either.

This isn't exclusively furry tropes either. Smut artists have gotten crafty about potential income streams. :v:[/QUOTE]

You sure seem to know an awful lot about this topic.

[arlygoodbrownie]

[QUOTE=Destroyox;53038192]Locking your work behind a paywall is always shitty. Because guess what, most people who make things on the internet will focus entirety on the paid stuff and it won't be any more quality than the stuff before too. I've seen some artists on Tumblr/DA who basically stop posting because now everything is on patreon.[/QUOTE]

Yeah how dare people decide what to do with their work. That they made. And put the time into.

Honestly, where's your justification for this? This is so that those artists can, you know, get paid for their work so they can buy food and pay rent. Those tumblr/DA artists didn't stop posting, they just stopped posting free art.

I want you to talk to an actual artist and say "you don't deserve to get paid for your work; it's shitty/selfish to expect money for your labor." And then answer them as to how they're supposed to make end's meet, without illegitimizing their work and saying "get a real job."

[editline]9th January 2018[/editline]

[QUOTE=Svinnik;53038514]Incase and shadman prove that wrong though, both release all their work for free and still manage to make a living off of porn.[/QUOTE]

Incase has an optional patreon, and Shadman sells merch. They're also both big, very popular artists who've already "made it." Also adspace.

[editline]9th January 2018[/editline]

[QUOTE=Plaster;53038395]Not gonna pay someone to get pics earlier when I won't support them in the first place.[/QUOTE]

And then people upload it for anyone at all to very access, including potential customers.

[FunnyGamer]

[QUOTE=LegndNikko;53038528]Yeah how dare people decide what to do with their work. That they made. And put the time into.

Honestly, where's your justification for this? This is so that those artists can, you know, get paid for their work so they can buy food and pay rent. Those tumblr/DA artists didn't stop posting, they just stopped posting free art.

I want you to talk to an actual artist and say "you don't deserve to get paid for your work; it's shitty/selfish to expect money for your labor." And then answer them as to how they're supposed to make end's meet, without illegitimizing their work and saying "get a real job."
[/QUOTE]

They're entitled to do it, but locking almost everything behind a patreon (bonus points if they post images that are strategically blocked up with SUBSCREB TO ME PATRON) is lame and probably drives away just as many "potential donators" as it does draw in "desperate horny people"

[arlygoodbrownie]

Like a good argument I can come up with is "it's shitty that it happens, but it's very risky field. Might be best to find a safer field, in which your work is less likely to be taken and reuploaded for free."

But instead people call artists "greedy" and "mean" and "being a dick to their audience" for putting up [I]their [/I]work how [I]they[/I] want to. It's such a shitty and entitled mindset to have. If an artist wants to draw something and not put it anywhere, they can. If they want to put it so that you gotta pay $50, alright, fine. Don't like it and don't agree with it? Then go on to other artists with methods that you do like and agree with. Calling that artist greedy/selfish/shitty is just nonsensical, hostile, and entitled.

[editline]9th January 2018[/editline]

[QUOTE=Gray Altoid;53038550]They're entitled to do it, but locking almost everything behind a patreon (bonus points if they post images that are strategically blocked up with SUBSCREB TO ME PATRON) is lame and probably drives away just as many "potential donators" as it does draw in "desperate horny people"[/QUOTE]

Then let them suffer themselves, don't harass them or sabotage their technique. Let them realize "this isn't working" but just not paying for it and calling it a day.

[Destroyox]

[QUOTE=Gbps;53038251]I don't see how wanting to be paid for your skilled labor is shitty. This isn't EA we're talking about[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Mitchel.;53038300]Its their artwork and their choice whether it will be paid or not.
God forbid people from making money from their work.

Let's start bad-mouthing indie devs for selling their games instead of giving them away for free while we're at it :v:[/QUOTE]

There's a big difference between this and videogames. There's also the concept of almost every artist releasing their work for free. I mean you can look up a picture of a painting no problem, but you pay money to physically own it. Not sure how you could do that with digital art, but it's still not good to put up indefinite paywalls. You don't know what you're paying for with those.
[QUOTE=LegndNikko;53038528]Yeah how dare people decide what to do with their work. That they made. And put the time into.

Honestly, where's your justification for this? This is so that those artists can, you know, get paid for their work so they can buy food and pay rent. Those tumblr/DA artists didn't stop posting, they just stopped posting free art.

I want you to talk to an actual artist and say "you don't deserve to get paid for your work; it's shitty/selfish to expect money for your labor." And then answer them as to how they're supposed to make end's meet, without illegitimizing their work and saying "get a real job."[/QUOTE]

It's their right to do it but I'll never support it. Putting everything behind a paywall just stunts your growth anyways. It's not a good thing for the long term. There's so many better ways to monetize your work.

[Phygon]

[QUOTE=Noob4life;53038107]Does the "piracy does not equal lost sales" apply here? I'm leaning towards yes.[/QUOTE]

Seeing as I have made use of this website and still pay for all the artists I want to actually support I'm going to lean towards "yes".
I don't pay for porn, I pay to support the artists that I like.

[arlygoodbrownie]

[QUOTE=Destroyox;53038571]It's their right to do it but I'll never support it. Putting everything behind a paywall just stunts your growth anyways. It's not a good thing for the long term. There's so many better ways to monetize your work.[/QUOTE]

Then people should let them suffer on their own, instead of accusing them of maliciousness. Just ignore them, and go onto artists that you do enjoy/prefer. Vote with your wallet, instead of celebrating when people go behind those paywalls and spread the art anyway, sabotaging them.

Leave them alone, and let them realize when their method isn't working, by themselves.

[FunnyGamer]

[QUOTE=LegndNikko;53038598]Then people should let them suffer on their own, instead of accusing them of maliciousness. Just ignore them, and go onto artists that you do enjoy/prefer. Vote with your wallet, instead of celebrating when people go behind those paywalls and spread the art anyway, sabotaging them.

Leave them alone, and let them realize when their method isn't working, by themselves.[/QUOTE]

"Vote with your wallet" only works in the positive direction, IE paying as a way of saying "I want more like this, please." You literally can't count the people who don't pay you.

[editline]9th January 2018[/editline]

Also, who is accusing anyone of maliciousness? Who is being harassed?

RE: sabotage, I just don't buy it; you can wax poetic all day about potential buyers being subverted with free access to the art (leaving aside the problem of subverting patreon's more wholesome and beneficial-in-the-long-run of doing literally anything else other than paywall/patreon-locked super-censorship), but the fact of the matter is that the people who are dodging the paywall now will have, in almost every case, never bought in if they couldn't get around it. I'm sure there are exceptions, but they're the minority; most people will either get around the paywall and/or just not pay at all, or get around the paywall and/or pay as a "tip" or something.

[.𓃉𓁿𓂎𓁿𓃉.]

[QUOTE=phygon;53038593]Seeing as I have made use of this website and still pay for all the artists I want to actually support I'm going to lean towards "yes".
I don't pay for porn, I pay to support the artists that I like.[/QUOTE]

yeah i always thought patreon wasn't about buying art but saying "hey i like your stuff, have a bit of cash to keep up the good work"

[Doom14]

[QUOTE=Rastadogg;53038518]You sure seem to know an awful lot about this topic.[/QUOTE] Ayup.

[Spudgun]

No slight against the artists intended here, I'm on their side, but I think their trying to use patreon as a primary source of income is naive.

Of course people are going to pull this shit. They're assholes.

[arlygoodbrownie]

[QUOTE=Gray Altoid;53038608]"Vote with your wallet" only works in the positive direction, IE paying as a way of saying "I want more like this, please." You literally can't count the people who don't pay you.

[editline]9th January 2018[/editline]

Also, who is accusing anyone of maliciousness? Who is being harassed?

RE: sabotage, I just don't buy it; you can wax poetic all day about potential buyers being subverted with free access to the art (leaving aside the problem of subverting patreon's more wholesome and beneficial-in-the-long-run of doing literally anything else other than paywall/patreon-locked super-censorship), but the fact of the matter is that the people who are dodging the paywall now will have, in almost every case, never bought in if they couldn't get around it. I'm sure there are exceptions, but they're the minority; most people will either get around the paywall and/or just not pay at all, or get around the paywall and/or pay as a "tip" or something.[/QUOTE]

I'm not saying [I]you[/I], but the words I've used to describe artists (greedy, mean, selfish) are words I've already heard used to describe artists who use paywalls. These are people who truly believe they are morally right to go around paywalls. It's [I]that[/I] judgement of morality I feel is the problem.

[PeakDeNile]

There's various fetishy chan boards with dedicated paid content threads, so exclusive stuff getting reposted isn't necessarily anything new.

Although locking [b]kink-related[/b] art behind a paywall seems like a dumb practice regardless.

[Tetsmega]

Why specifically furry art? Why not all patreon reward art?

[It's crispy]

[QUOTE=Killajax;53038708]Although locking [b]kink-related[/b] art behind a paywall seems like a dumb practice regardless.[/QUOTE]

Why? It's for a limited audience who are willing to pay for it

[Senn]

[QUOTE=Tetsmega;53038812]Why specifically furry art? Why not all patreon reward art?[/QUOTE]

Back then it was specifically for furry purposes, but people started uploading little bits of other stuff, and so on. And it is pretty much a division between furry art and just patreons in general being posted there.

[garbage ellie]

I mean...patreon is now just the new hardblush or whatever in terms of porn. You pay money to access work. Of course people are going to want it for free. Especially if the artist basically turns into a patreon 'leech' ie someone who almost entirely stops posting art, because they post it all behind a paywall. It's happened a lot in the past with other sites as well. Though no one complained when people posted pics from hardblush.

Personally, I don't care much either way. If people want to make money from art, thats perfectly fine. Even if they double dip with it (getting commissions and then only posting them on patreon, shit like that) thats okay, people support it and thats all that matters. But honestly, art is the easiest thing to 'steal' and redistribute. Theres no real way around it. Most people who would support the artist, would do so even if most of their work was available online. So there probably isn't much in the way of 'lost sales'