There's A Website Dedicated To Stealing Furry Porn From Patreon Artists

[Omali]

[quote]“We’re not out to get creators or make them lose income.”[/quote]

Which is why you're stealing from them, right? So they don't lose money?

[Swilly]

Patreon was never originally supposed to be a donation site, FYI.

Its just they marketed poorly at first. It was always envisioned as a pay for service hence why you can set it up to pay every time you release something or do it monthly.

[Gmod4ever]

[QUOTE=thejjokerr;53039026]A certificate of authenticity for my art of '2 foxes getting banged by a Kim possible with a schlong and fishears' sent to my house would finally get all those people off my back that keep telling me it's copied art piece.[/QUOTE]

What the fuck is your problem?

Are you one of those people who think "because it's porn, it inherently can't be art"? Or, even more broadly, "because I don't like it, it isn't art"?

Take your arguments, and replace them with other media, and suddenly your arguments are borderline schizophrenic on how completely nonsensical they are:

[quote]Friend called Anton: Hey ben! Wow why the long face?

Ben: the customers I make [b]scifi Metroidvania games[/b] for are pirating my content.

A guy called Anton: bye[/quote]

Wow, Anton is a total asshole for just randomly abandoning Ben, after Ben describes a legitimate complaint about a very real issue. What sane person would blame Ben, of all people, in this situation?

[quote]A [b]receipt[/b] for my [b]copy of 'Scifi Metroidvania Game by Ben'[/b] sent to my house would finally get all those people off my back that keep telling me it's [b]a pirated game[/b].[/quote]

Wowee, how freaking absurd of a concept, a proof-of-purchase for a game being required to prove that you purchased a game! Only a sociopath would think of such a thing!

[Venomousbeetle]

Seems exaggerated, looking through the site its just blog posts and the actual comics/art they send monthly to patrons aren't here.

It also pesters you to pledge the person on every page

[TheHydra]

[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;53041152]Seems exaggerated, looking through the site its just blog posts and the actual comics/art they send monthly to patrons aren't here.

It also pesters you to pledge the person on every page[/QUOTE]

they have every premium episode of the chapo trap house podcast for some reason

[Venomousbeetle]

Did they post those as part of the blog? Also I noticed a lot of the ones Ive looked at have been flawed patreons themselves, one person on here had hardly any patrons but still showed up and Im guessing it was out of spite because they had a game on their blog using dropbox and the "download limit" was active and already passed. Not something someone who dropped money wants to see

Meanwhile someone I've patroned to that has like 3k in pledges isnt even here

[rufia]

[QUOTE=Svinnik;53038514]Incase and shadman prove that wrong though, both release all their work for free and still manage to make a living off of porn.[/QUOTE]
Those are also pretty big names as far as porn is concerned though. Not everyone has that kind of audience.

[QUOTE=Plaster;53038395]I don't blame anyone for using it though, some artists just don't know that they won't make any more money from locking that YCH image on patreon for pretty much ever. Just release your old patreon posts and make them public, [B][I]that's also a feature patreon has.[/I][/B][/QUOTE]
Pretty sure Patreon implemented a policy whereby you have to make nsfw images patron only.

[Gmod4ever]

[QUOTE=SunsetTable;53039436]Patreon was never originally supposed to be a donation site, FYI.

Its just they marketed poorly at first. It was always envisioned as a pay for service hence why you can set it up to pay every time you release something or do it monthly.[/QUOTE]

A lot of people don't like to think of it this way, but this is actually correct.

Patreon's slogan has been, for the longest of time, [b]"Creators, come get paid,"[/b] followed by [b]"Patreon allows [X] like you to get paid running a [i]membership business[/i] for your fans."[/b]

And this isn't exactly hidden. They're literally the first two sentences on [url=https://www.patreon.com/][b]Patreon's home page.[/b][/url]

So, honestly, people who think the artists, using Patreon as a paywall / marketplace for their art, are "abusing" or "exploiting" the system are flat-out wrong. They're using the system exactly the way it was designed to be used.

If anything, the artists using Patreon as a "donation" system are the ones misusing the system. It was never meant to be used as a charity or donation service - it was meant to be used as a business service. It just so happens you can orient the system to be used as a donation system.

[QUOTE=Rufia;53041332]
Pretty sure Patreon implemented a policy whereby you have to make nsfw images patron only.[/QUOTE]

You are correct. And a lot NSFW artists are still pretty sore about it, seeing it as active discrimination. Everyone else gets to use Patreon itself as an advertising platform, posting free samples of their content for the world to see - but not NSFW artists. They have to use other platforms that allow such content to advertise, but cannot use Patreon itself.

I think their dissatisfaction with that policy is justified, personally. Especially since most other platforms, like Tumblr, invoke similar "no NSFW content for those who don't want to see it" policies on the viewers' end: viewers have to opt-in to view NSFW content, but NSFW content can still be posted on Tumblr. Patreon decided that wasn't the way they want to go, though, and I doubt it was because they felt that users were too stupid to operate such a system.

[Venomousbeetle]

When I open the home page it says to support creators with Support in BOLD.

It also has this video which also defines it as funding for new creations

[media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwvUjAv6pxg[/media]

plus Patreon is Crowdsourced funding. Their earlier ads used to even refer to it as a tip jar. They have tiers for you to set a monthly goal to say "I can do this now". Their wikipedia even said Crowdfunding since it was just a small addition to Jack Conte's wikipedia (which still says crowdfunding with citations) until late 2016 when some guy with a deleted account changed it with no citation

[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=756251018&oldid=755191256&title=Patreon[/url]

They're also telling people emailing them about yiffparty to get bent on the basis that pledging isn't purchasing.

Patreon is an ongoing "kickstarter". It is not a storefront. The reward tiers they describe you could add in their own introduction video are even supplementary content. They use the word patron and even compare it to other public works like the Mona Lisa and Romeo and Juliet.

[Gmod4ever]

[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;53041661]When I open the home page it says to support creators with Support in BOLD.

It also has this video which also defines it as funding for new creations[/QUOTE]

Then Patreon must be serving you and I [b]very[/b] different pages.

Here is what Patreon shows me, first thing, when I go to it in Incognito, EG absolutely no cookies. This is what a fresh visitor seeing Patreon, at least in the Pacific Northwest of the United States, sees:

[t]https://i.imgur.com/hrKtY29.png[/t]

[b][url=https://imgur.com/a/BeVHb]And here's the rest of the homepage, as an imgur album.[/url][/b]

What I'm seeing, and what you're apparently seeing, are [b]very[/b] different. Obviously something is going on here, and I don't know what it may be. I am very interested, though.

I did a Ctrl-F for the word "support" on the page, and it only shows up twice - and in both cases, they're in the sample "Meet some creators" section in image 3 of the album. The word is never mentioned once in the official documentation on the page.

[LoneWolf_Recon]

The healthy balance I've seen is that an artist's revenue stream mostly comes from YCH's and commissions. And 9/10 those are publically viewable without a paywall.

Of course there's Patreon rewards that most artists have and IMO the fair ones are occasional paywalled lewds (or early access while public access or delayed by a week or two, or random drawings to patrons).

Its usuallly good practice to only have Patreon as supplementary income (especially after the recent patreon cut changes).

I agree that artists ought to be rewarded for their hard work and that this type of piracy is really shutty but there is a balance to be struck.

[Gufu]

Has Patreon actually changed their stance in regards to NSFW content creators? I thought they merely turned a blind eye to them, but will not provide legal backing if anything comes up?

[Gmod4ever]

[QUOTE=gufu;53041819]Has Patreon actually changed their stance in regards to NSFW content creators? I thought they merely turned a blind eye to them, but will not provide legal backing if anything comes up?[/QUOTE]

They've been pretty consistent in tightening the noose around NSFW content creators, with pretty much every major policy update.

They claim to be okay with NSFW content, but their actions (and Conte's personal beliefs) make it pretty apparent that, in a perfect world, there would be no NSFW content creators on Patreon. That isn't to say that Patreon will go full inquisition and purge the NSFW content creators, just that it's pretty apparent that they would prefer they just "go somewhere else" and leave Patreon.

They've been not too subtle in their nudging people in that direction, but they've also been very sensitive to the reactions to it. They've entered a dance of "two steps forward, one step back" in regards to pushing the NSFW content creators out.

I doubt they'll all leave, but I think Conte et all would be perfectly satisfied with thinning the herd, so only the most adamant and stubborn (and, in most cases, profitable) NSFW content creators remain. I suspect a Patreon whose policies are so strict that it convinces most small-time NSFW content creators it just isn't worth the hassle, is the Patreon that Conte is ultimately shooting for.