First Ever Human Head Transplant to be Attempted Next Month - Sensationalist Headlines

The outcome had better be publicized.. this is so interesting. If it works, its huge. Even if it fails.. how it fails, and the 'whys' will probably be extremely interesting, too. Can't wait. Godspeed to the weirdo who's getting the operation. Takes a lot of guts to go into a surgery that, in all reality, you'll probably never wake up from.

[QUOTE=OvB;52895487][url]https://www.newscientist.com/article/2073923-head-transplant-carried-out-on-monkey-claims-maverick-surgeon/[/url][/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Perrine;52895497]They did do this though, but the rats didn't live for that long. [url]http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/scientists-china-full-head-transplant-rats-human-sergio-canavero-cns-neuroscience-therapeutics-a7711871.html[/url][/QUOTE] they didn't actually attach the nerves in either of these... that's the entire point is it not? unless your idea of of a successful transplant is to technically be alive but have such a low level of functionality you're no different from someone in a coma on a ventilator? if he is even anywhere close to be able to achieve this, what possible motivation is there not to actually just trial the complete procedure on animals? show us a monkey who's actually had a complete head transplant and regained functionality, even just short-term, [I]partial[/I] functionality, and he'll have all the funding in the world

I've seen it in fantasy literature, but I think we've got ourselves, a real, live stitcher. [IMG]http://s.newsweek.com/sites/www.newsweek.com/files/styles/full/public/2017/11/13/1113head-transplant.png[/IMG] This guy is nuts, and keeps cropping up in the news. If he actually does it, this will be quite the buzz no matter what happens, but I expect nothing to occur at all.

I'd think curing paralysis would be a good first step since you have to figure out nerve connections anyways.

so going from possibly having done it once on rats straight to humans.... guess thats where we live today, back when they perfected organ transplants it took killing dozens of animals first

[QUOTE=krail9;52895663]they didn't actually attach the nerves in either of these... that's the entire point is it not? unless your idea of of a successful transplant is to technically be alive but have such a low level of functionality you're no different from someone in a coma on a ventilator? if he is even anywhere close to be able to achieve this, what possible motivation is there not to actually just trial the complete procedure on animals? show us a monkey who's actually had a complete head transplant and regained functionality, even just short-term, [I]partial[/I] functionality, and he'll have all the funding in the world[/QUOTE] [del]I believe part of the procedure was making sure that the head stays alive while separate from the host before attaching it. This would involve attaching it to a machine and having a brief period where the man's head has no body.[/del] Misread the context. Personally I'm just gonna grab some popcorn and see where this goes

Suspicious that he's attempting it without any proof that reattaching the spinal cord is even possible

Dudes gonna die.

If it's consensual and these people WANT to attempt this, then at the very least it will be a very interesting / beneficial event for medicine as a whole. Say what you want about the dark ages of medical and scientific experimentation, but in the end as a society we have all benefited from such acts. In this case, who knows what we could learn... I'm honestly pretty excited to see what happens if this person really DOES do it finally. Success or failure, as a whole we can potentially learn a lot from the endeavour.

[QUOTE=Dr. Evilcop;52895632]It's kind of a dirty secret that some major medical advancements came from unethical experiments. A lot of knowledge regarding hypothermia and how the human body responds to it comes from Nazi experiments on prisoners, for example. [url]http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM199005173222006[/url][/QUOTE] I still find it completely disgusting that we burned most of that research. The atrocities have already been committed, might as well gain something from them instead of literally nothing.

Hope this doesn't end up like that one scene from Gotham. [IMG]https://orig00.deviantart.net/47cf/f/2017/320/5/f/screen_shot_2017_11_16_at_11_02_28_by_moviemowdown-dbtwgif.png[/IMG]

[QUOTE=phygon;52895876]I still find it completely disgusting that we burned most of that research. The atrocities have already been committed, might as well gain something from them instead of literally nothing.[/QUOTE] most of their research was just "hey i sewed two people together!" the hypothermia stuff, information on hypoxia, and a lot of creepy stuff on the levels of atmosphere required to survive, stuff that added upper limits to our knowledge. they also had a pretty solid proof that cigarettes cause cancer but that got lost with the fall of the nazis and then big tobacco obviously covered up all research into the matter here

Excited to see the results of this. Been talked about for ages and now it's finally happening! PT will most likely not survive, but we will learn [i]a lot[/i].

Originally the patient was supposed to be some Russian developer and take place in Russia but plans changed and now the surgery is taking place in China on an anonymous Chinese guy. The big problem with this surgery as mentioned is the repairing of severed nerves but Canavero claims that he has a compound that helps repair nerves. He's also not a hack, he's cured a patient in a coma using the same technique. also people thought he was an MGSV ad [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/LmUee5k.jpg[/IMG]

You would have to be pretty headstrong to come out of this alive [img]https://problogger.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/mojo.jpg[/img] [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Nope. We aren't starting that again." - GunFox))[/highlight]

[QUOTE=silentjubjub;52895430]More like some recent game. [sp]Wolfenstein 2[/sp][/QUOTE] Okay is this is a spoiler because how was I possibly supposed to know what it was a spoiler for

[QUOTE=Dr. Evilcop;52895632]It's kind of a dirty secret that some major medical advancements came from unethical experiments. A lot of knowledge regarding hypothermia and how the human body responds to it comes from Nazi experiments on prisoners, for example. [url]http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM199005173222006[/url][/QUOTE] Did you even read that? That myth is about as bad as the clean Wehrmacht. It says in the paper you linked. [quote]This review of the Dachau hypothermia experiments reveals critical shortcomings in scientific content and credibility. The project was conducted without an orderly experimental protocol, with inadequate methods and an erratic execution. The report is riddled with inconsistencies. There is also evidence of data falsification and suggestions of fabrication. Many conclusions are not supported by the facts presented. The flawed science is compounded by evidence that the director of the project showed a consistent pattern of dishonesty and deception in his professional as well as his personal life, thereby stripping the study of the last vestige of credibility. On analysis, the Dachau hypothermia study has all the ingredients of a scientific fraud, and rejection of the data on purely scientific grounds is inevitable. They cannot advance science or save human lives.[/quote]

This guy is a complete quack doctor. There have been at least three threads about him on this forum iirc, and it's no coincidence because he deliberately makes a lot of fanfare to compensate for the fact that all of his ideas get crucified in peer review. Idg why a lot of y'all are taking it seriously this time.

I’ve always kinda wondered: isn’t it technically a [i]body[/i] transplant? You’re not replacing the head, you’re replacing the body, right? Head transplant [i]sounds[/i] better though.

[QUOTE=Amakir;52895779]Dudes gonna die.[/QUOTE] Dude was supposed to die from the get go. Nobody who has any basic knowledge in modern biology/medical science would believe that. The big question is: if he will die during the surgery and if he won't, how long will he survive after it and in the end why didn't he.

[url]https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2016/09/the-audacious-plan-to-save-this-mans-life-by-transplanting-his-head/492755/[/url] Informative article about him I read a while back.

This might sound pretty obvious but, how exactly do they plan to slice off his head perfectly? Like a guillotine or something?

[QUOTE=Kommodore;52896409]This guy is a complete quack doctor. There have been at least three threads about him on this forum iirc, and it's no coincidence because he deliberately makes a lot of fanfare to compensate for the fact that all of his ideas get crucified in peer review. Idg why a lot of y'all are taking it seriously this time.[/QUOTE] because like that botched penis transplant he's gonna do it and someone in this case will die from it [editline]16th November 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=AncientFryup;52896677]This might sound pretty obvious but, how exactly do they plan to slice off his head perfectly? Like a guillotine or something?[/QUOTE] supposidly, since he has not demonstrated this in any credible way, if one uses the right technique the nerves can be severed in such a way that they may be repaired. We do not know nearly enough about human biology to say that one person's brain could work another person's body though because its obviously dangerous

It'd be cool if this could be done. I mean cancer that hasn't spread to the brain would be curable with this.

Soooo [url]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2017/11/17/worlds-first-human-head-transplant-successfully-carried/[/url] [quote]he world's first human head transplant has allegedly been performed on a corpse in an 18 hour operation which successfully connected the spine, nerves and blood vessels of two people.[/quote]

To be clear, this is saying that two dead bodies were grafted together, and then nerves in the head were stimulated to produce a response in the body, right?

prepare for months down the line when we read the article about the first ever death via attempted recapitation

[QUOTE=Ekalektik_1;52895413]I remember an article about this guy circulating around here at least two other times. Wasn't the patient a Russian (?) athlete last time this cropped up? I definitely feel like there was someone who was seeing this Dr. Canavero and was painfully open about how he was going to get his head put onto a new body.[/QUOTE] It originally intended for a Russian man with a degenerative nerve disease. They moved the surgery to China because it's easier to get a "donor" there. The Chinese doctor involved with the ordeal says that the Russian gentleman may get a new body if the opportunity ever pops up.

If I was terminal, I'd sign on for something like this. If it goes well, awesome, you've become a part of history. If it doesn't, then that's a hardcore way to go, yeah?

[QUOTE=MrWhite;52900878]To be clear, this is saying that two dead bodies were grafted together, and then nerves in the head were stimulated to produce a response in the body, right?[/QUOTE] More or less. They can reattach a head and get a response from the nervous system, but who knows if a person could survive an ordeal like that.