Study finds diesels three times more likely to break down than petrol vehicles, cost 20% more to fix - Sensationalist Headlines

[QUOTE=LtKyle2;53094859]Honesty why didn’t automakers start doing this years ago for trucks? Use a electric motor for lower end speeds when accelerating and then switch to an ICE at higher speeds for better fuel economy and efficiency. Especially in midsize trucks because of the footprint EPA regulations where it would work best.[/QUOTE] Cost and weight, especially weight.

[QUOTE=LtKyle2;53094859]Honesty why didn’t automakers start doing this years ago for trucks? Use a electric motor for lower end speeds when accelerating and then switch to an ICE at higher speeds for better fuel economy and efficiency. Especially in midsize trucks because of the footprint EPA regulations where it would work best.[/QUOTE] It could be down to the market itself. There's this stupid sense of "Only SISSYS drive Hybrids" among some American truck owners (as they bite into another uncooked steak) and since the same demographic tends to use trucks for work, they won't buy them over normal Diesels ("a MAN'S choice"). Cost won't help either. There'd definitely be a markup on the Hybrid due to the complexity of it Vs. a run of the mill Diesel.

[QUOTE=LtKyle2;53094859]Honesty why didn’t automakers start doing this years ago for trucks? Use a electric motor for lower end speeds when accelerating and then switch to an ICE at higher speeds for better fuel economy and efficiency. Especially in midsize trucks because of the footprint EPA regulations where it would work best.[/QUOTE] in 18 wheelers it's because that's a heavy solution and most trucks can't go over 80,000 pounds fully loaded. in midsize trucks it's mostly about the cost and space requirements. plus trucks really need to be easily serviceable and there's no way farmer john is gonna spend 3 days rewinding an electric motor with $400 worth of copper when he could just buy a diesel and have it fixed in half a day with $60 worth of shit from napa

[QUOTE=Zenamez;53095173]It could be down to the market itself. There's this stupid sense of "Only SISSYS drive Hybrids" among some American truck owners (as they bite into another uncooked steak) and since the same demographic tends to use trucks for work, they won't buy them over normal Diesels ("a MAN'S choice").[/QUOTE] IMO, that exists because hybrids are generally low power, weak cars, like the Prius. I doubt that feeling would last very long if you build a powerhouse hybrid that matched current ICE engines in output.

[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;53094901]Cost and weight, especially weight.[/QUOTE] Weight doesn’t seem like an issue when they are making trucks bigger yet lighter. *cough*F-150*cough*2019 silverado*cough*

[QUOTE=Goz3rr;53094473]It doesn't even make financial sense to use diesel in that case (at least in the Netherlands) because while the fuel itself is cheaper and more efficient, the road taxes are significantly higher[/QUOTE] Meanwhile, we pay 45 euros of tax for a 1.9 tdi of 2004

[QUOTE=Rocâ„¢;53095775]Meanwhile, we pay 45 euros of tax for a 1.9 tdi of 2004[/QUOTE] The same car in Sweden would be about 490 euro per year/tax Volvo v70 2004 D5 was up to 900 euros per year in taxes depending on the curbweight and if it had the particle filter or not. Sweden really taxates the fuck out of all vehicles here, only thing they only taxed once was my moped, when it was bought new, 1967.

Could anyone recommend a decent 4x4 petrol car then? Has to have at least 1,700L of boot space.

[QUOTE=Britishboy;53105821]Could anyone recommend a decent 4x4 petrol car then? Has to have at least 1,700L of boot space.[/QUOTE] Izuzu Trooper Duty (or Citation) Petrol. You can get a 4 Stroke or V6 model, but it's quite heavy on fuel due to the size of the car. Alternatively a ~2000 ish Range Rover. There's a model out there which has the same boot space as the Trooper (the same if not more boot space than you're wanting for both cars). V8 powered, but also gutsy on fuel.

The last diesels died when Daimler stopped production of the w123.

[QUOTE=Britishboy;53105821]Could anyone recommend a decent 4x4 petrol car then? Has to have at least 1,700L of boot space.[/QUOTE] I dunno about petrol, but if you are okay with SUVs then the 5 seater Tesla Model X with folding flat seats gets you 2490 litres of boot space.

[QUOTE=Britishboy;53105821]Could anyone recommend a decent 4x4 petrol car then? Has to have at least 1,700L of boot space.[/QUOTE] Volvo XC70

[QUOTE=Araknid;53087279]dunno man, old German diesels like the Merc 300D are pretty invulnerable with proper maintenance Newer ones are more shit I guess[/QUOTE] That's true for Petrols as well? [editline]5th February 2018[/editline] [QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;53092482]This article is basically pointless dribble that tells us what we already knew: If you make something more complicated, it's got more failure points to break, and will break more often. Diesel as a technology is more reliable than gas engines. What's failing is the complex systems that we are forced to use on them that the engine can run more reliably without. it's damned if you do, damned if you don't.[/QUOTE] Yes and that's the reason why using a Diesel in the first place is a bad idea?

[QUOTE=Morgen;53109217]I dunno about petrol, but if you are okay with SUVs then the 5 seater Tesla Model X with folding flat seats gets you 2490 litres of boot space.[/QUOTE] By 4x4 I'd assume he was talking about offroad (which diesel is superior over petrol for) rather than an ugly, expensive child carrier. Also model X is awd, not 4x4 which is a difference, unless they figured out some sort of diff lock for it, and a diff lock makes a tremendous difference on serious offroad tracks I'll admit I don't know much about how Tesla's awd works

[QUOTE=Headhumpy;53086801]I'm very interested to see how electric cars compare to both in the long-term, but we'll probably have to wait for a few more years to really get some good data.[/QUOTE] If trolleybuses are anything to go by, electric motors are ridiculously reliable in comparison with diesel. Other than requiring little to no maintenance (down to not needing any oil changes ever), they're also easier on the whole vehicle due to the lack of vibration. This, in addition with a simpler drivetrain, increases overall longevity of trolleybuses two-fold compared to diesel buses. What you end up saving on that you'll have to, at least partly, invest back in the overhead wire, but for BEVs that's not a factor either. Those have battery life issues, which are going to be the real problem.

[QUOTE=Morgen;53109217]I dunno about petrol, but if you are okay with SUVs then the 5 seater Tesla Model X with folding flat seats gets you 2490 litres of boot space.[/QUOTE] A Model X costs literally twice as much as just about every other reasonable SUV or truck on the market. [editline]5th February 2018[/editline] [QUOTE=Zenamez;53105901] Alternatively a ~2000 ish Range Rover. There's a model out there which has the same boot space as the Trooper (the same if not more boot space than you're wanting for both cars). V8 powered, but also gutsy on fuel.[/QUOTE] Range Rovers are infamous for constant and [I]expensive[/I] maintenance. I wouldn't touch one with a ten foot pole. [editline]5th February 2018[/editline] [QUOTE=Britishboy;53105821]Could anyone recommend a decent 4x4 petrol car then? Has to have at least 1,700L of boot space.[/QUOTE] Honda Pilot, if AWD fits your bill. Legendary Honda reliability; we've owned two generations of them with a combined mileage of ~340,000 miles and the only thing to go was an interior climate control thermostat on the first and some shoddy interior trim on the second's armrest. Second generation is ugly as sin and has mediocre-at-best interior trim but it's practical as hell.