Students left a pineapple in the middle of an exhibition and people mistook it for art - Sensationalist Headlines

[QUOTE=Flubbman;52201791]By that logic I could go rob a store right now, say I was doing it to send a message about capitalism or whatever, and get off nearly scot-free and praised by the """art community"""[/QUOTE] Good luck with that, you'd really have to provide evidence for that to even get a reduced punishment. What she did didn't do anything but waste the officer's time, robbery is different

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;52201795]If you need a plaque or a curator to explain what the art represents, then it's poor art in my opinion. Either the piece is clear to the audience or it's trash. And I'm not talking about "some people may get it, some may not". The brick, for example, if left without any plaque leaves zero context to what it represents entirely.[/QUOTE] Why should everything be clear? If we only did that, we'd be stuck on realism and still lifes. I will say I don't think you're not allowed your opinion, as everyone has different tastes, but you have to realize there are a ton of different artforms out there.

[QUOTE=da space core;52201767]Personally, i dont like like art that took 5 seconds to make. I dont care if its classical or modern style or whatever, if it took considerable effort to create, I respect that. But if you simply sneeze on a canvas and call it a day, screw you for giving artists a bad reputation. Case in point, there was an art competition when i was in high school, and my friend worked really hard on a cool drawing for it. He placed second to a guy who submitted a blank piece of paper, because it was "symbolic"[/QUOTE] Ary competitions in general don't make sense to me

[QUOTE=lintz;52201564]this is why i cannot stand the state of modern art as it is sure you could make an argument for this being actual art while being a parody of modern art but that's the fucking problem[/QUOTE] The "state of modern art as it is" has existed for like 140 years, when photography slowly but surely started to invalidate art as a means of reproducing reality. As our ability to photo-realistically depict the world around us peaked, artists sought ways of deconstructing that skill into what's basically increasingly obscure and ironic variants of artistic shitposting. It's nothing new. Don't pretend it is. Even back when art was about making pretty things, there was still more value given to deeper meanings that would often aim to ridicule the medium or comment in the absurdity of it all.

[QUOTE=SIRIUS;52201806]Ary competitions in general don't make sense to me[/QUOTE] I'll ditto this. Art isn't a competition and shouldn't be done as such. It's used as a creative outlet and constraining that seems dumb.

[QUOTE=SIRIUS;52201801]Good luck with that, you'd really have to provide evidence for that to even get a reduced punishment. What she did didn't do anything but waste the officer's time, robbery is different[/QUOTE]She was taken to the hospital and put into care, then she waits until [I]the next day[/I] to reveal she was merely being a fucking amazing artist and they just didn't understand. All those resources and all that time, even if it only involves one person, could've been put to actual use elsewhere. She could very well have caused someone's death because she intentionally had an ambulance called to a fake emergency. There's no defending that.

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;52201795]If you need a plaque or a curator to explain what the art represents, then it's poor art in my opinion. Either the piece is clear to the audience or it's trash. And I'm not talking about "some people may get it, some may not". The brick, for example, if left without any plaque leaves zero context to what it represents entirely.[/QUOTE] The plaque is part of the whole thing. Also some people might get something out of that, it might get them to think about things in a new way or look at things from a different perspective

[QUOTE=lintz;52201564]this is why i cannot stand the state of modern art as it is sure you could make an argument for this being actual art while being a parody of modern art but that's the fucking problem[/QUOTE] It's a bad joke. It's a way for people with little to no talent to put little to no effort into something and then try to sell it to everybody else as being an ~artistic~ achievement for a shitload of money and fame. "Here's some cardboard, paper, and an assortment of other random shit I threw on the ground." "Here's a canvas painted completely black with a blue square painted in the middle of it." "Here's a bunch of paint streaks I randomly threw with a brush across a big piece of paper/canvas." "Here's some clay I wadded into a formless blob, baked, and painted random colors." And so on. I went with some friends to First Friday in KC the other day. We went to a contemporary art gallery for the hell of it downtown. Some of the vases and sculptures were quite beautiful, but they also had these weird blobs of plaster (some with paint on them) that were priced at-- and I shit you not-- between $30,000 and $50,000. They were about the size of a small child, and the only thing that distinguished the $50,000 blobs from the $30,000 ones was the fact that they had lines of black paint on top of them... because that adds $20,000 worth of value, I guess. I mean at least access to the gallery was free.

[QUOTE=Flubbman;52201811]She was taken to the hospital and put into care, then she waits until [I]the next day"[/I] to reveal she was merely being a fucking amazing artist. All those resources and all that time, even if it involves one person, could've been put to use elsewhere. She could very well have caused someone's death because she intentionally had an ambulance called to a fake emergency.[/QUOTE] Yes and that's because of the wasted time of the police and hospital. Robbery causes damage on it's own, before any police are involved. Anyways she got punished [editline]8th May 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Govna;52201815]It's a bad joke. It's a way for people with little to no talent to put little to no effort into something and then try to sell it to everybody else as being an ~artistic~ achievement for a shitload of money and fame. "Here's some cardboard, paper, and an assortment of other random shit I threw on the ground." "Here's a canvas painted completely black with a blue square painted in the middle of it." "Here's a bunch of paint streaks I randomly threw with a brush across a big piece of paper/canvas." And so on. I went with some friends to First Friday in KC the other day. We went to a contemporary art gallery for the hell of it downtown. Some of the vases and sculptures were quite beautiful, but they also had these weird blobs of plaster (some with paint on them) that were priced at-- and I shit you not-- between $30,000 and $50,000. They were about the size of a small child, and the only thing that distinguished the $50,000 blobs from the $30,000 ones was the fact that they had lines of black paint on top of them... because that adds $20,000 worth of value, I guess. I mean at least access to the gallery was free.[/QUOTE] People will value and buy art how they will

Parody of art is an art in itself. I always enjoy this sort of showing up the pretentiousness of the art community, some of them will read meaning into any old bollocks. Put a piece of glass over a Pineapple and feel free to define art however you like, but that doesn't change the intent of the piece, which was to take the piss. Reminds me when I'd run out of time to finish Uni work as an Art student so I'd go abstract as fuck creating as much mass produced drivel with zero structure or meaning I could in a week, and I'd still manage to pass modules.

[QUOTE=SIRIUS;52201818]Yes and that's because of the wasted time of the police and hospital. Robbery causes damage on it's own, before any police are involved. Anyways she got punished[/QUOTE]Still got a reduced sentence for literally using the excuse "b-but it's [I]art[/I] you guys" I may be overreacting, but something about the fact that she's being treated with respect and winning awards and shit for endangering others really rubs me the wrong way. [editline]May 2017[/editline] I don't care if it was intentional or not, she knew it would happen and still did it because she wanted to. Whether people find it interesting or not is irrelevant because, like I said, she was attended to by rescue personnel and occupied a spot in the hospital over a night for no reason. Regardless of how much time and resources she wasted, any amount is too much when the only reason behind it is to send some vague message about mental health that her artist friends (that are better than everybody else, by the way) will eat up.

[QUOTE=Flubbman;52201830]Still got a reduced sentence for literally using the excuse "b-but it's [I]art[/I] you guuuys". I may be overreacting, but something about the fact that she's being treated with respect and winning awards and shit for disrupting society really rubs me the wrong way.[/QUOTE] And they reduced it because of lack of intent, not because of art. If people think what she did was interesting then they clearly get something out of it

[QUOTE=SIRIUS;52201833]And they reduced it because of lack of intent, not because of art. If people think what she did was interesting then they clearly get something out of it[/QUOTE] At that point, it's just semantics. "Lack of intent" and "because of art" are literally the same causes here.

[QUOTE] Ruairi Gray, a business information technology student at Robert Gordon University in Scotland, and his friend Lloyd Jack, reportedly left the fruit at the Look Again exhibition at RGU's Sir Ian Wood building, hoping that it might be mistaken for art[/QUOTE] So purely by the act of making it be mistaken for art, that in itself is art and a commentary on art. Art is getting too deep for me.

[QUOTE=SIRIUS;52201818]People will value and buy art how they will[/QUOTE] It's not just a willy-nilly sort of thing. The contemporary art market is unregulated, there's a shitload of money in it, and it's run like a quiet business. It's completely artificial. You have collusion between auction houses (which typically offer guarantees to sellers; "Whether we've sold it or not, we'll pay the estimated price."), private museums and foundations (and collectors of course), lenders (who love to target prospective buyers and are willing to lend generous amounts), etc. Hell, even real estate has a hand in things when it comes to spaces for galleries to be set up in. And then of course there's the obvious side to the artists themselves and dealers. From an economic perspective, it's fascinating to watch this industry bubble the way that it has-- especially because of what nonsense the art itself usually amounts to being.

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;52201858]At that point, it's just semantics. "Lack of intent" and "because of art" are literally the same causes here.[/QUOTE] If they don't think she'll re offend then i don't see the problem here

[QUOTE=Pie_Tony;52201859]So purely by the act of making it be mistaken for art, that in itself is art and a commentary on art. Art is getting too deep for me.[/QUOTE] The funny part is, this pineapple was left in mocking of those who are currently defending it as legitimate art. [editline]8th May 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=SIRIUS;52201871]If they don't think she'll re offend then i don't see the problem here[/QUOTE] I have never heard of any criminal getting a reduced sentence because "we don't think you'll do it again". And that's not what you said first was the reason for the reduction.

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;52201875]The funny part is, this pineapple was left in mocking of those who are currently defending it as legitimate art.[/QUOTE] Parodies of songs are still songs. I don't care if they're trying to Nick me, it's still art [editline]8th May 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;52201875]The funny part is, this pineapple was left in mocking of those who are currently defending it as legitimate art. [editline]8th May 2017[/editline] I have never heard of any criminal getting a reduced sentence because "we don't think you'll do it again". And that's not what you said first was the reason for the reduction.[/QUOTE] Lack of intent basically amounts to "she wasn't trying to do anything illegal" and won't do it again

[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;52201894]Parodies of songs don't make fun of listeners of the original[/QUOTE] Some do, and also so what?

[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;52201912]So that's a bad metaphor[/QUOTE] Some... Do...

I'm really banking on that one idea I had a while ago to make a minimalist Loss painting and sell it off as a painting representing the duality of man, and I'm sure people would buy it at this point.

I am art

[QUOTE=Hat-Wearing Man;52201925]I am art[/QUOTE] We all are

If all art could mean anything and everything, what's the point of art? It's all become redundant.

[QUOTE=megafat;52201931]If all art could mean anything and everything, what's the point of art? It's all become redundant.[/QUOTE] Art isn't necessarily a commodity or an object to be valued. It's a message or statement or feeling or idea. You can't really sell a poem

I understand why people wouldn't like all types of modern art. What I don't understand is why so many people feel the need to act all high and mighty about it. These "no, let me tell you what art [I]really[/I] is" tirades often feel more pretentious than whatever piece they're trying to criticize

[QUOTE=lintz;52201564]this is why i cannot stand the state of modern art as it is sure you could make an argument for this being actual art while being a parody of modern art but that's the fucking problem[/QUOTE] Modern art is pretty much a clique/cult you have to join to get the filthy filthy lucre, and actual 'art' has nothing to do with it, where art is proceeding ahead is in the digital space.

Art seems to primarily be recursive in it's meaning these days. It's all self-referential in some way or another.

[QUOTE=ZombieWaffle;52202012]Art seems to primarily be recursive in it's meaning these days. It's all self-referential in some way or another.[/QUOTE] yeah have you ever asked yourself why?

[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;52201951]I understand why people wouldn't like all types of modern art. What I don't understand is why so many people feel the need to act all high and mighty about it. These "no, let me tell you what art [I]really[/I] is" tirades often feel more pretentious than whatever piece they're trying to criticize[/QUOTE] This is literally a thread to an article about someone mocking modern art, how is this not a clear space to criticize art.