OkCupid kicks out white supremacist Chris Cantwell: ‘There is no room for hate’ - Sensationalist Headlines

[QUOTE=Firgof Umbra;52587012]Threatening someone's life is a crime. Their belief is that they should be allowed to not only threaten but to actually end people's lives just as they have done in the past and which, if you ask, they'll happily admit is a time they're trying to get back to. I didn't put words in your mouth, I clarified that their belief is a belief that they should be allowed to commit mass violence. In that way: It isn't a belief. "Kill everyone in the United States" isn't a belief, it's a threat. "I think Strawberry Jam is superior to all other Jams" is a belief. "I think White-colored people are smarter than other races" is hate speech but is nonetheless a belief. "Kill all nonwhites and undesirables" isn't a belief - it's a threat and a command. Passive support can be just the same as active support. If you stood passively, knowing someone was being beaten to death, because you agree they should be beaten to death, then you are aiding in the committal of a crime passively even if you did nothing but stand there. Sometimes all a person needs to commit violence is the passive support of those around them; that doesn't make those who didn't engage in the violence themselves less guilty of the crime that was committed. Those who publicly and actively support the mass murder of near-everyone on the planet are those who are declaring their passive support of such crimes.[/QUOTE] I disagree on both accounts. You can believe whatever you want, even "kill everyone in the United States", but so long as you don't threaten people, actually hurt people or otherwise act upon that belief in a heinous manner then no, no crime has been committed [I]by definition[/I]. It's really that simple. What proof would there even be? Similarly, how could you even prove "passive support" for a crime? And furthermore, how is that actually a crime? Do you propose locking up all the fangirls of the Blue Whale suicide game instigators because they sent them love letters fully knowing what they did? I feel like we're getting into thought-police territory. Which I disagree with on principle so perhaps it best if we end this discussion here.

[QUOTE=Propane Addict;52586897]We're talking about Nazis. An ideology whose core tenants include the extermination of non-whites. If another group lands themselves in that same realm of being dickheads, then I wholeheartedly support the banning of their ideology. If you think the public has had to be told to be pissed about people who want to murder 40% of our population, you need to go back under whatever rock you live under.[/QUOTE] Yes, this terrifying group of less than 0.01% of the US population that has existed and protested since before Trump. People [I]don't[/I] need to be angry about it. You waste time and draw attention to them in the process and give them a semblance of a platform under the spotlight instead of being utterly irrelevant. And I find this corporate rush to say "we don't support this!!! Also check out our website" a disgusting culmination of the wrong way to handle it.

[QUOTE=bob4life;52586485]This is turning into a modern day McCarthy commie hunt except its just doxxing and publicly ousting people's personal lives on social media like throwing someone to the wolves. Is this normal now?[/QUOTE] Oh Cry me a fucking river... If you seriously believe that other races are inferior and you believe the genocide of said races. You can fuck off for all i care. Honestly i hope this shit keeps on happening, Nazis and Neo-nazis have absolutely no fucking place in modern society. Its scientifically incorrect, its pseudoscience, its bullshit, its morally fucked, and their existence is a threat to countless Americans.

[QUOTE=Doom14;52587042]Yes, this terrifying group of less than 0.01% of the US population that has existed and protested since before Trump. People [I]don't[/I] need to be angry about it. You waste time and draw attention to them in the process and give them a semblance of a platform under the spotlight instead of being utterly irrelevant. And I find this corporate rush to say "we don't support this!!! Also check out our website" a disgusting culmination of the wrong way to handle it.[/QUOTE] Corporations will always do gross shit but why you would ever try to trivialize the growing threat of extreme right wingers in this political climate I have no idea man. Terrorists are also less than 0.01% of the world population but they're causing havoc somewhere every week. These right wingers are also worming themselves into government and making their voices heard, shutting down their shit and ousting the members is exactly what needs to be done to trivialize them, you don't fix a wound by letting it fester.

These people need to find love in their own hearts before they can find it in others

leftist autocracy if you ask me!! when am I gonna get a dating site that allows me to find love, and simultaneously espouse my beliefs that the untermench must be annihilated

Well at least this is less dumb than that time they decided to block all Firefox users.

[QUOTE=Numpers;52586571]I understand the point he's trying to make. I personally find it hard to believe every single person there genuinely buys into the garbage they're spouting 100%. A good chunk of them are probably just weak-willed disenfranchised youth who got roped into the whole movement. While yes, the group and movement they're representing is basically completely detestable and impossible to defend, rather than completely crucifying them, it might be better in the long run to try and extend an arm for peace or something. Like having a genuine heart-to-heart conversation. [URL="http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/kkk-klu-klux-klan-members-leave-black-man-racism-friends-convince-persuade-chicago-daryl-davis-a7489596.html"]It's been done before.[/URL][/QUOTE] How is that any better? I never thought I'd have to say this but, at least people who think the Jews are subhuman are (from their mental perspective) justified in their actions. What excuse do you have if you for supporting Nazism? How can a rational person have [B]any[/B] political goals that are worth allowing Nazi's to do what they do?

Honestly :snip: But the apologists and forced middle-of-the-road discussion in every nazi thread is driving me crazy [editline]18th August 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Worstcase;52587039]I disagree on both accounts. You can believe whatever you want, even "kill everyone in the United States", but so long as you don't threaten people, actually hurt people or otherwise act upon that belief in a heinous manner then no, no crime has been committed [I]by definition[/I]. It's really that simple. What proof would there even be? Similarly, how could you even prove "passive support" for a crime? And furthermore, how is that actually a crime? Do you propose locking up all the fangirls of the Blue Whale suicide game instigators because they sent them love letters fully knowing what they did? I feel like we're getting into thought-police territory. Which I disagree with on principle so perhaps it best if we end this discussion here.[/QUOTE] He DID threaten people. It was recorded on live television. He and most nazis deserve to be banned from social media

First they came for the Nazis and I did not speak because I was not a Nazi

I guess he was looking for love in all the wrong places. ... I'm terribly, terribly sorry for that.

[QUOTE=JCDentonUNATCO;52586948]White nationalists are generally the ones murdering people over it? Why does everyone always pull this "Well what about X?" shit. Well what about the other candidate? Well what about the communists? Well what about the other races? There are black panthers and pan-african nationalists in America but they very rarely do shit on the level that neo-nazis do. Last I can remember is that guy who was shooting cops in Dallas last year and was blown up with a police bomb robot when he hid in a school.[/QUOTE] White Supremacists don't very often outright murder people either, at least not anymore. This isn't really whataboutism because all kinds of racial supremacism is equally abhorent, they're essentially the same thing. Not quite at the same level as going "what about the communists" [QUOTE=Worstcase;52586965]It is until they commit a crime. Believing something morally reprehensible is not a crime.[/QUOTE] And the argument isn't that they should be prosecuted for it. You don't have to be a criminal to be socially ostracized. Spamming is not a crime but it's a bannable offense just about anywhere, for good reason.

[QUOTE=Alice3173;52586629]Hey, yo. I've kinda asked you a question twice now. It's not a rhetorical one and it's pretty important to know the answer to. Why should someone be expected to tolerate someone whose beliefs dictate that they should die? What valid reason is there for that?[/QUOTE] You dont have to tolerate it. Youre a grown ass adult (i assume) who has their own opinion about how things should work in society. But im making the argument that this method we use to weed out those we disagree with is going to come back and bite us. Doxxing is a weak fucking tactic used by people who want to make a splash on social media. Youre not contributing to a greater solution. Youre just putting peoples information online with the hopes that someone else threatens their well being enough that they, what, start agreeing with you? It doesnt work like that, and never has, and its a naive conclusion someone would make if they dont have an understanding of the human condition or a foresight of perspective outside of your own. People dont just go away because you bully them on the internet.

[QUOTE=bob4life;52587679]You dont have to tolerate it. Youre a grown ass adult (i assume) who has their own opinion about how things should work in society. But im making the argument that this method we use to weed out those we disagree with is going to come back and bite us. Doxxing is a weak fucking tactic used by people who want to make a splash on social media. Youre not contributing to a greater solution. Youre just putting peoples information online with the hopes that someone else threatens their well being enough that they, what, start agreeing with you? It doesnt work like that, and never has, and its a naive conclusion someone would make if they dont have an understanding of the human condition or a foresight of perspective outside of your own. People dont just go away because you bully them on the internet.[/QUOTE] What is the line between doxxing and intolerance??? Chris Cantwell announced to the world what his awful views are and they're showing intolerance by banning him from social media

[QUOTE=MasterKade;52587701]What is the line between doxxing and intolerance??? Chris Cantwell announced to the world what his awful views are and they're showing intolerance by banning him from social media[/QUOTE] He was publicly banned from a dating app for fuck sake. Is this really a substantial achievement?

[QUOTE=bob4life;52587731]He was publicly banned from a dating app for fuck sake. Is this really a substantial achievement?[/QUOTE] Yes. Nazism isn't ok and the dating site had the right to make the choice

[QUOTE=MasterKade;52587740]Yes. Nazism isn't ok and the dating site had the right to make the choice[/QUOTE] So we've made the decision to reject the freedom of speech, a pillar of american society, because "its a private company and its not technically illegal so its okay". Whens the last time you were banned from something and thought "wow, im at fault and im going to change myself because someone was mad at me on the internet".

[QUOTE=bob4life;52587768]So we've made the decision to reject the freedom of speech, a pillar of american society, because "its a private company and its not technically illegal so its okay". Whens the last time you were banned from something and thought "wow, im at fault and im going to change myself because someone was mad at me on the internet".[/QUOTE] Oh for fuck sake...even the Founding Fathers would've viewed Nazism with contempt.

[QUOTE=bob4life;52587768]So we've made the decision to reject the freedom of speech, a pillar of american society, because "its a private company and its not technically illegal so its okay". Whens the last time you were banned from something and thought "wow, im at fault and im going to change myself because someone was mad at me on the internet".[/QUOTE] Wait, this was word for word what was argued on the last page. :v: Freeze peach is protection from government censorship and people who tout it as the ability to say whatever they want without consequence have no idea what it means Okcupid isn't the government, it's a private company running a service you can very much do without. They have every right to censor and show intolerance. If they censored and banned people who didn't deserve it, it'd be scandalous

[QUOTE=Uber22;52587778]Oh for fuck sake...even the Founding Fathers would've viewed Nazism with contempt.[/QUOTE] Its not about the founding fathers opinions, but the structure they left behind for a civilized society. If you dont want to subscribe to the american ideology and instead want to act as a vigilante mob, thats fine. Just dont put unamerican sentimentality in the mouths of those long dead who built this society.

[QUOTE=bob4life;52587810]Its not about the founding fathers opinions, but the structure they left behind for a civilized society. If you dont want to subscribe to the american ideology and instead want to act as a vigilante mob, thats fine. Just dont put unamerican sentimentality in the mouths of those long dead who built this society.[/QUOTE] But the "american ideology" is "accept everyone" which is the polar opposite of nazi ideology. Don't start talking about what's "unamerican" when we in fact fought against the Nazis a few decades ago.

[QUOTE=MasterKade;52587790]Wait, this was word for word what was argued on the last page. :v: Freeze peach is protection from government censorship and people who tout it as the ability to say whatever they want without consequence have no idea what it means Okcupid isn't the government, it's a private company running a service you can very much do without. They have every right to censor and show intolerance. If they censored and banned people who didn't deserve it, it'd be scandalous[/QUOTE] You seem to have a disconnect between "whats legally allowed" and "whats morally acceptable". Youre subject to the same conditions you tout if your opinion doesnt mesh with the "flavor of the month" sentiments of american society. People are fickle and feelings change, society shifts. The political climate is a delicate, caustic ecosystem. If you are okay with having the same done to you some day because you have an adverse opinion, then you'll perpetuate this witchhunt.

maybe more people would listen to your points if you didn't phrase them in the tone of a condescending pseudo-intellectual

[QUOTE=bob4life;52587838]You seem to have a disconnect between "whats legally allowed" and "whats morally acceptable". Youre subject to the same conditions you tout if your opinion doesnt mesh with the "flavor of the month" sentiments of american society. People are fickle and feelings change, society shifts. The political climate is a delicate, caustic ecosystem. If you are okay with having the same done to you some day because you have an adverse opinion, then you'll perpetuate this witchhunt.[/QUOTE] "Flavor of the month"? They're [I]nazis.[/I]

[QUOTE=milktree;52587843]maybe more people would listen to your points if you didn't phrase them in the tone of a condescending pseudo-intellectual[/QUOTE] That's everyone in SH at this point it.

[QUOTE=bob4life;52587810]Its not about the founding fathers opinions, but the structure they left behind for a civilized society. If you dont want to subscribe to the american ideology and instead want to act as a vigilante mob, thats fine. Just dont put unamerican sentimentality in the mouths of those long dead who built this society.[/QUOTE] Unamerican? You kidding me? These Neo-nazi fucks are the most unamerican thing to ever walk on the soil of this nation. Shunning them and telling they're fucking wrong is the most American thing to do. [video=youtube;23X14HS4gLk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23X14HS4gLk&t=398s[/video] Dont be a sucker...

[QUOTE=milktree;52587843]maybe more people would listen to your points if you didn't phrase them in the tone of a condescending pseudo-intellectual[/QUOTE] Im just a 22 year old car salesman from california. My opinion means fuck all. Im not looking to change worldviews here. I just find doxxing and our solution to dealing with problems these days gross.

[QUOTE=bob4life;52587866]Im just a 22 year old car salesman from california. My opinion means fuck all. Im not looking to change worldviews here. I just find doxxing and our solution to dealing with problems these days gross.[/QUOTE] You know what's even more disgusting than people ostracizing someone for their opinions? Advocating genocide, murder, and white supremacy. If you can convince me there's a more effective way to halt the spread of nazi ideology, I'm all ears.

[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;52587887]You know what's even more disgusting than people ostracizing someone for their opinions? Advocating genocide, murder, and white supremacy. If you can convince me there's a more effective way to halt the spread of nazi ideology, I'm all ears.[/QUOTE] I dont know, but playing into the Streisand Effect is just shooting your own foot. We tried censoring a frog meme, we removed confederate history, and we've doxxed people into fearing for their own life. Is this supposed to win people over? All its done is angered people and left a vacuum for extremist ideals to take hold. We say we want to work together and make concessions, while we take away everything our opposition values. And we wonder how radicalist movements crop up like this. Anyways iv got work for like 10 hours, brb

[QUOTE=bob4life;52587929]I dont know, but playing into the Streisand Effect is just shooting your own foot. We tried censoring a frog meme, we removed confederate history, and we've doxxed people into fearing for their own life. Is this supposed to win people over? All its done is angered people and left a vacuum for extremist ideals to take hold. We say we want to work together and make concessions, while we take away everything our opposition values. And we wonder how radicalist movements crop up like this.[/QUOTE] we don't say we want to work together and make concessions with nazis what nazis value is fascist rule of the country are you trying to say that ostracizing nazis is the same as ostracizing conservatives? cause that's pretty fucking insulting to conservatives, dude