OkCupid kicks out white supremacist Chris Cantwell: ‘There is no room for hate’ - Sensationalist Headlines

[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;52587887]If you can convince me there's a more effective way to halt the spread of nazi ideology, I'm all ears.[/QUOTE] Nazism and racism is born from ignorance, so educate. Educate people on how wrong they are with their science, how flawed and even hypocritical their philosophy is, shit like that. Point out any holes you can find, if not to convince the nazis and racists themselves than at least to convince their potential targets. Better than doxxing them, at least.

I love that people are advocating for people who support the fact that I, and most of my friends, should die because we swing one way or another

[QUOTE=Talishmar;52586923]Can all racial/cultural supremacists be ostracized equally? Or is it just the whites[/QUOTE] Hey listen if a Jewish guy wants to exterminate the Jew Menace for the glory of God's Aryan Master Race I'm all for publicly outing him as a Nazi.

[QUOTE=bob4life;52587929]I dont know, but playing into the Streisand Effect is just shooting your own foot. We tried censoring a frog meme, we removed confederate history, and we've doxxed people into fearing for their own life. Is this supposed to win people over? All its done is angered people and left a vacuum for extremist ideals to take hold. We say we want to work together and make concessions, while we take away everything our opposition values. And we wonder how radicalist movements crop up like this. Anyways iv got work for like 10 hours, brb[/QUOTE] Oh no, Nazis are denied the chance to find love and have children and pass down that racism and hate to them. What a tragedy

[QUOTE=Coyoteze;52586524][I]They're Nazis.[/I][/QUOTE] Once you start supporting a group who made their world debut by trying to exterminate Jews in secret, your opinion and rights turn to dogshit to me

[QUOTE=Blazedol;52588007]Nazism and racism is born from ignorance, so educate. Educate people on how wrong they are with their science, how flawed and even hypocritical their philosophy is, shit like that. Point out any holes you can find, if not to convince the nazis and racists themselves than at least to convince their potential targets. Better than doxxing them, at least.[/QUOTE] have you ever had a discussion with a nazi before

[QUOTE=bob4life;52587866]Im just a 22 year old car salesman from california. My opinion means fuck all. Im not looking to change worldviews here. I just find doxxing and our solution to dealing with problems these days gross.[/QUOTE] You're right, we should round them all up into internment camps and slaughter them en'mass. Much better solution! It's what they'd do, after all.

[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;52588091]have you ever had a discussion with a nazi before[/QUOTE] Several. More Klan members than explicit nazis, but same group, more or less. My tactics may not always work in decreasing their numbers, but i feel it does a great job in preventing them from growing. You're free to disagree, though.

[QUOTE=Blazedol;52588007]Nazism and racism is born from ignorance, so educate. Educate people on how wrong they are with their science, how flawed and even hypocritical their philosophy is, shit like that. Point out any holes you can find, if not to convince the nazis and racists themselves than at least to convince their potential targets. Better than doxxing them, at least.[/QUOTE] That sadly doesn't work, there's a lot of well educated Nazi's out there. One of my ex-friends from another state was probably one of the most educated people I know, one of the smartest at least. Some people just inexplicably hate, I've tried so many times to pull him out of that. After a while it was just too stressful and kind of scary listening to his rants so I gave up. I want to move

[QUOTE=Zeos;52588023]I love that people are advocating for people who support the fact that I, and most of my friends, should die because we swing one way or another[/QUOTE] If you are referring to sexual orientation, there are actual gay nazis out there. White supremacy and homophobia/transphobia can be mutually exclusive.

[QUOTE=Boilermaker;52588234]If you are referring to sexual orientation, there are actual gay nazis out there. White supremacy and homophobia/transphobia can be mutually exclusive.[/QUOTE] That hardly makes a difference considering gay Nazi's and white supremacists are a tiny minority that's constantly ostracized by the straight Nazi's and white supremacists.

[QUOTE=Boilermaker;52588234]If you are referring to sexual orientation, there are actual gay nazis out there. White supremacy and homophobia/transphobia can be mutually exclusive.[/QUOTE] [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism#Opposition_to_homosexuality]Not according to Hitler and Himmler.[/url]

[QUOTE=Boilermaker;52588234]If you are referring to sexual orientation, there are actual gay nazis out there. White supremacy and homophobia/transphobia can be mutually exclusive.[/QUOTE] Nazism as a whole is dedicated to eradicating what they call "undesirables". In a nazi controlled state, those LGBT "nazis" would be among the first to get torn apart once they were done "ensuring the purity of the blood". Their entire ideology is built around finding reasons to hate, harm and kill other people.

[QUOTE=FingerSpazem;52588232]That sadly doesn't work, there's a lot of well educated Nazi's out there. One of my ex-friends from another state was probably one of the most educated people I know, one of the smartest at least. Some people just inexplicably hate, I've tried so many times to pull him out of that. After a while it was just too stressful and kind of scary listening to his rants so I gave up. I want to move[/QUOTE] I'm sorry to heat that, but you shouldn't give up on every one of them. There have been much, much more people who never listen to me than those who do, but even if it's just a few people, those few people can have their lives put back on track, and that alone makes all the trouble worth it. But if the stress is too much for you or something like that, then that's understandable. Nobody can be blamed for that. [QUOTE=Boilermaker;52588234]If you are referring to sexual orientation, there are actual gay nazis out there. White supremacy and homophobia/transphobia can be mutually exclusive.[/QUOTE] There are gay racists and white supremacists, but the idea of a "gay nazi" contradicts itself.

[QUOTE=FingerSpazem;52588238]That hardly makes a difference considering gay Nazi's and white supremacists are a tiny minority that's constantly ostracized by the straight Nazi's and white supremacists.[/QUOTE] If this were a few decades ago, I would agree with this statement, but I think this has kind of changed over the past decade. Surges in right wing nationalism have been recent, and with the advent of the internet, I think its really been kind of separated from some of the older stuff they were typically identified with. Theres been some notice of environmentalist Nazis recently [URL="http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/news/heil-hipster-the-young-neo-nazis-trying-to-put-a-stylish-face-on-hate-20140623#ixzz36cCTT9EI"]for example[/URL]. Then again, most of the Charlottesville protesters seemed pretty old, so Im probably wrong in this scenario. [editline]18th August 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Blazedol;52588297] There are gay racists and white supremacists, but the idea of a "gay nazi" contradicts itself.[/QUOTE] I mean it sure didnt stop Nicky Crane from existing. Im sure there are more people out there that can identify with Nazism excluding the treatment of homosexuals, so I wouldnt say its necessarily contradictory.

[QUOTE=Worstcase;52586729]One is an established terrorist organization. The other is an ideology. They aren't even remotely equivalent since, last I checked, we weren't thought policing. This discussion is going to open up a huge can of worms by the way.[/QUOTE] You do realize that literal Nazis are classified as a terrorist group in many places? For example in Virginia where the whole Charlottesville thing took place which this guy was involved in? They're classified as terrorists there now. [QUOTE=bob4life;52587679]You dont have to tolerate it. Youre a grown ass adult (i assume) who has their own opinion about how things should work in society. But im making the argument that this method we use to weed out those we disagree with is going to come back and bite us. Doxxing is a weak fucking tactic used by people who want to make a splash on social media. Youre not contributing to a greater solution. Youre just putting peoples information online with the hopes that someone else threatens their well being enough that they, what, start agreeing with you? It doesnt work like that, and never has, and its a naive conclusion someone would make if they dont have an understanding of the human condition or a foresight of perspective outside of your own. People dont just go away because you bully them on the internet.[/QUOTE] This guy didn't exactly get doxxed though? The reason people know who he is is specifically because he decided to interview journalists about his shitty views and air them publicly. Getting doxxed is literally 110% irrelevant to the current subject. [QUOTE=bob4life;52587768]So we've made the decision to reject the freedom of speech, a pillar of american society, because "its a private company and its not technically illegal so its okay". Whens the last time you were banned from something and thought "wow, im at fault and im going to change myself because someone was mad at me on the internet".[/QUOTE] 1.) Freedom of speech applies to the government and not private establishments. 2.) Even if it did apply to private establishments it doesn't protect you from the social consequences of your speech. 3.) Nazis literally don't even support the concept of free speech anyways so I don't particularly see a reason to choose this specific hill to die on. You might have a better point if they were a group that actually supports freedom of speech at least. But they don't. [QUOTE=bob4life;52587810]Its not about the founding fathers opinions, but the structure they left behind for a civilized society. If you dont want to subscribe to the american ideology and instead want to act as a vigilante mob, thats fine. Just dont put unamerican sentimentality in the mouths of those long dead who built this society.[/QUOTE] Unamerican sentimentality? You mean like fucking Nazism? There's not many things more unamerican than that. [QUOTE=bob4life;52587929]I dont know, but playing into the Streisand Effect is just shooting your own foot. We tried censoring a frog meme, we removed confederate history, and we've doxxed people into fearing for their own life. Is this supposed to win people over?[/QUOTE] And weirdly enough, in this instance, most people have enough of a brain to realize Nazis are garbage and the end result is that everyone and their mothers are ostracizing the Nazis while a few people jump to their defense, typically ignoring completely valid reasoning under the guise of freedom of speech. People need to realize that the entire concept of a tolerant society is kinda paradoxical in that it is inherently incompatible with tolerating intolerant beliefs. If it tolerates them then the entire concept falls on its face.

why are people being so fucking pacifist over nazi's these days, holy shit. They literally want to kill you and your family for being impure, don't be taking the moral high ground by going 'oh they're people too...' while you're taken out back to be shot, if they had it their way. People have gotten way too soft. You might be able to educate a couple of them, but you can't just go 'oh nazi's are ignorant, just talk to them!' That doesn't work. I've talked to plenty of people similar to that, they aren't ignorant, they're just racist. They feed into conspiracy theories, and feed into racist bullshit, and it draws them into nazism. You can't sit down, have a chat with a crazy racist nutball, and expect them to change. Half of them will just call you some form of race traitor. You have to be hard on them. You won't change them by doing this, no, but you'll discourage them from taking further action, and you'll discourage new members, and show them that the world is against their ideology, instead of letting them fester and 'extend a hand of peace' or whatever the fuck.

There are ethnic minorities who call themselves white nationalists. There were LGBT nazis even back during their first epidemic. There are women who are mysogenistic towards other women. This kind of hatred does not require logic to exist. In fact, it is often the [I]absense[/I] of reason that breeds intolerance. Do not try to justify these scumbags by saying "but there are [insert minority] people who identify as them!" - that makes no difference. At the end of the day, these are people who are guilty of the only true crime against humanity: the failure to recognise their fellow human beings [I]as[/I] human beings. The flimsy reasons and justifications change with time, so do the titles, sometimes. But in the end, they're all sick with the same hate plague. Hatred is a natural human emotion, and like any emotion, it is only worthwhile when focused and personalised, with passion and heart behind it. These people - nazis, white nationalists, klansmen, alt-right - whatever you want to call them, are filled to the brim with hatred indescriminat. They will use any justification, any ham-fisted "logic" that their twisted little brains can spew forth, to justify their lust for unfounded pain and suffering. Give them an inch and they'll take a mile. Give them a mile, and they'll take over the country. The world has seen this epidemic sprout its ugly head in the past. And those of us that refuse to learn from that past are doomed to enable its repetition.

[QUOTE=Naught;52588416]why are people being so fucking pacifist over nazi's these days, holy shit. They literally want to kill you and your family for being impure, don't be taking the moral high ground by going 'oh they're people too...' while you're taken out back to be shot, if they had it their way. People have gotten way too soft. You might be able to educate a couple of them, but you can't just go 'oh nazi's are ignorant, just talk to them!' That doesn't work. I've talked to plenty of people similar to that, they aren't ignorant, they're just racist. They feed into conspiracy theories, and feed into racist bullshit, and it draws them into nazism. You can't sit down, have a chat with a crazy racist nutball, and expect them to change. Half of them will just call you some form of race traitor. You have to be hard on them. You won't change them by doing this, no, but you'll discourage them from taking further action, and you'll discourage new members, and show them that the world is against their ideology, instead of letting them fester and 'extend a hand of peace' or whatever the fuck.[/QUOTE] Because there are people who are more than happy to tolerate Nazis in modern America if it means they can stick it to the gosh darn communist left.

[QUOTE=bob4life;52587810]Its not about the founding fathers opinions, but the structure they left behind for a civilized society. If you dont want to subscribe to the american ideology and instead want to act as a vigilante mob, thats fine. Just dont put unamerican sentimentality in the mouths of those long dead who built this society.[/QUOTE] Do you have a right to react to what I do? [editline]18th August 2017[/editline] Because, you're arguing you don't. [editline]18th August 2017[/editline] I never thought I'd see the day where people don't see the nazis as a terroristic threat. Fucking amazing. Is this what's great about America now?

[QUOTE=Naught;52588416]You have to be hard on them. You won't change them by doing this, no, but you'll discourage them from taking further action, and you'll discourage new members, and show them that the world is against their ideology, instead of letting them fester and 'extend a hand of peace' or whatever the fuck.[/QUOTE] I doubt the effectiveness of this method. While being hard may discourage them for a little while, they'll still crop back up soon enough, one way or another. And there will always be potential recruits. In fact, I'd argue being hard may raise that number, even when it's justified. Just look at how many people are being naively sympathetic of the Charlottesville marchers, and i guarentee you that a lot of them are naive enough to be excellent targets for recruitment. It just seems too easy of a solution for a problem as complicated as this.

[QUOTE=Blazedol;52588586]I doubt the effectiveness of this method. While being hard may discourage them for a little while, they'll still crop back up soon enough, one way or another. And there will always be potential recruits. In fact, I'd argue being hard may raise that number, even when it's justified. Just look at how many people are being naively sympathetic of the Charlottesville marchers, and i guarentee you that a lot of them are naive enough to be excellent targets for recruitment. It just seems too easy of a solution for a problem as complicated as this.[/QUOTE] So just appease the nazis Really...?

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;52588610]So just appease the nazis Really...?[/QUOTE] no, unless that’s what you want to do. I say challenge their ideals and plant doubts inside them, though realistically that’s probably not going to truly stop them, either.

[QUOTE=Blazedol;52588662]no, unless that’s what you want to do. I say challenge their ideals and plant doubts inside them, though realistically that’s probably not going to truly stop them, either.[/QUOTE] The issue with planting the seeds of doubt in people like this is that they're largely closed to the idea they could ever be wrong in the first place. So simply explaining why they're wrong is incredibly unlikely to work. The only way to have a chance of making them doubt their beliefs is by forcing them to deal with those they look down on. And those people would understandably be reluctant to subject themselves to someone who thinks they should die.

[QUOTE=Blazedol;52588662]no, unless that’s what you want to do. I say challenge their ideals and plant doubts inside them, though realistically that’s probably not going to truly stop them, either.[/QUOTE] There is no easy answer. This is going to get uncomfortable for us all before too long. The Nazis, and the ideology they share is one of pure violence. Even without violent intent, the idea itself that they treasure the most is at it's heart, a violent one. There's [B]NO[/B] argument to be had about this. Nazi beliefs are very well known and very easy to breakdown. It's one of violence. Any company who doesn't shut this down is saying "This is okay with us", that's one, a bad PR move, and two, a thing very few them likely feel as individuals. Because of that, and the freedom individuals and corporations have to enact their own decisions on their own property that you run into a real issue. Are you saying "You can't refuse anyone service, and therefore do not have the freedom of will or choice to do what you think is right"? Or are you able to see the other side of the argument? Some people believe in things so vile that actions are always just around the corner from words. Is this going to be easy? No, but if you're saying "Companies shouldn't do this" then you better have a decent argument as to what you think they should do that would work better and send the right message I mean for christs sakes people are defending the rights of nazis to threaten death upon people(I would be one of the dead, even as a german descendant, I'm half gypsy) but stopping short at the rights of these companies to refuse service. Maybe the problem of "Who's a racist" is bigger than we even want to admit

It's a nice idea but I have a feeling these companies are just doing this for that sweet PR

[QUOTE=Blazedol;52588586]I doubt the effectiveness of this method. While being hard may discourage them for a little while, they'll still crop back up soon enough, one way or another. And there will always be potential recruits. In fact, I'd argue being hard may raise that number, even when it's justified. Just look at how many people are being naively sympathetic of the Charlottesville marchers, and i guarentee you that a lot of them are naive enough to be excellent targets for recruitment. It just seems too easy of a solution for a problem as complicated as this.[/QUOTE] theres no easy solution at all. Unlike what a lot of people say, going out and killing nazi's isn't going to make anything go away. Just like how going out and killing muslim terrorists hasn't seen much of a decline in their population and activity over the years. But doing nothing isn't right either, especially when its got us this far. Being sympathetic to them is also not right and people need to stop being fence sitters and pointing to things like 'free speech' when nazi's literally don't want free speech. People are just taking pacifism and the ideals of the left way too far, and are becoming complacent idiots in the process. I agree that we should attempt to 'convert' them back to reality, but its a lot more difficult than it sounds. And it won't work on 95% of them. Just because a black guy convinced a few nazi's to turn, doesn't mean we can do that to them all. [editline]19th August 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Hobo4President;52588713]It's a nice idea but I have a feeling these companies are just doing this for that sweet PR[/QUOTE] oh yea, they totally are. its why all these companies have been banding together to ban this guy and a few other people off their sites and whatever. its just a pr stunt at this point, honestly.

[QUOTE=Naught;52588753] oh yea, they totally are. its why all these companies have been banding together to ban [B]this guy and a few other people[/B] off their sites and whatever. its just a pr stunt at this point, honestly.[/QUOTE] Yeah, It really is a considerable societal good for them to ban a handful of people from the hundreds or thousands that browse their site, especially when one of them hardly has any social presence beyond being at a rally. Totally not anything related to PR.

[QUOTE=Naught;52588753]I agree that we should attempt to 'convert' them back to reality, but its a lot more difficult than it sounds. And it won't work on 95% of them. Just because a black guy convinced a few nazi's to turn, doesn't mean we can do that to them all.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Alice3173;52588687]The issue with planting the seeds of doubt in people like this is that they're largely closed to the idea they could ever be wrong in the first place. So simply explaining why they're wrong is incredibly unlikely to work.[/QUOTE] I know it isn't an easy solution that'll fix everything, I don't want people thinking that, but it's the alternative that I feel has the potential to help the most people, even if that's still not a whole lot of people. If nothing else, I want people to consider it as an legit option that’s at least worth a shot.

[QUOTE=bob4life;52586548]They're also people. And we're also people too. Now, some people can think bad things, and thats okay. No one is perfect. People do bad things too, which is sad. Its unfortunate, and unnecessary. But its something we have to deal with as a society. But is this how we choose to deal with it? Outting each other on the internet to solve our problems?[/QUOTE] Dude, it's a fucking dating app. It's not like people's humanity is at stake just because they can't get their dick wet through a hookup. All the actions being taken by these services are well within their legal rights. They can boot people for whatever reason they please, and I'd say for being a Nazi is a pretty good reason.