Elephants could be extinct in 15 years. - Sensationalist Headlines

[QUOTE=_charon;52487907][I]kill[/I] is maybe a little too far, terrible as poaching may be and a significant issue is that poachers are as dangerous to people as they are to animals, this isn't like stopping a robbery in progress[/QUOTE] Nah, fuck poachers. [QUOTE=PsycheClops;52488369]Alright, I admit that I went too far by saying that, but the point still stands that there are other alternatives than "shoot on sight" in a non-confrontational encounter[/QUOTE] Poachers aren't known to be the diplomatic type and they'll typically shoot you if you don't shoot them first.

[QUOTE=snookypookums;52488413]Way to make boars feel bad, man. :frown: [IMG]https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/50/8e/61/508e619f744958ed93e0e7ac01d7acec--animal-templates-masai.jpg[/IMG] Actually, I wonder if boar tusks could be used to make fake ivory powder that can flood the market. Aren't wild boars a pest in some areas of the world?[/QUOTE] But that's a moustache [editline]20th July 2017[/editline] Made out of teeth

[QUOTE=Steam-Pixie;52488419]But then if that happens wouldn't boars be close to extinction? :frown:[/QUOTE] [URL="http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/a-plague-of-pigs-in-texas-73769069/"]I'm led to believe in some places the piggu's wild cousin is something of a feral menace.[/URL] So do-able, but within reasonable limits. [URL="http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/synthetic-rhino-horns-are-being-3d-printed-in-an-effort-to-defeat-poachers-10334751.html"] Thankfully, there's a team of people looking to create a near identical synthetic horn to try and flood the market and kill the rhino trade once and for all.[/URL] It's possible that the same technique (and technology) could be used to do the same for elephants.

With all the retards still believing in ivory being a cure-all medicine it's not surprising that people go out of their way to hunt them to extinction. [editline]20th July 2017[/editline] I wish this bullshit would end, like debunked so thoroughly that the whole business crashes and burn, but that's wishful thinking.

[QUOTE=DEMONSKUL;52488526]I wish this bullshit would end, like debunked so thoroughly that the whole business crashes and burn, but that's wishful thinking.[/QUOTE] The kind of people who believe in this shit in the first place won't care about any "debunking", they don't subscribe to logic.

[QUOTE=Kommodore;52488001]dudes come on, poaching is problematic exclusively in countries where people are forced to make morally unfathomable decisions in order to survive and guarantee the same for their families. i'm not defending the horrific deaths of animals but it's not that simple.[/QUOTE] Poachers nowadays aren't usually locals selling off animal parts to scrape by, they're hunters from other countries (primarily China), bringing specialized weapons and equipment and using bribery to access game reserves. Poaching is problematic in countries that aren't stable enough to keep poachers out. But that doesn't mean the poachers themselves are poor helpless victims, and I think a shoot-on-sight policy is fully warranted.

[QUOTE=Destroyox;52487929]We should arbitrarily make something poachers have a rare luxury item. It'd be quite the turn of events for poachers to enter areas and start shooting each other don't ya think?[/QUOTE] Well, legally transferable, full auto, beat-to-shit AKs [I]do[/I] cost tens of thousands of dollars in the US...

I definitely wouldn't mind if we started killing poachers and pirate fishers.

[QUOTE=OvB;52488791]I definitely wouldn't mind if we started killing poachers and pirate fishers.[/QUOTE] [URL="http://www.firstpost.com/india/kaziranga-shoot-poachers-at-sight-order-govt-chooses-to-be-an-ostrich-in-rhino-land-3284970.html"]To an extent, this has already begun in some national forests in India, for example in Kaziranga. [/URL]

[QUOTE=snookypookums;52488413]Way to make boars feel bad, man. :frown: [IMG]https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/50/8e/61/508e619f744958ed93e0e7ac01d7acec--animal-templates-masai.jpg[/IMG] Actually, I wonder if boar tusks could be used to make fake ivory powder that can flood the market. Aren't wild boars a pest in some areas of the world?[/QUOTE] Boars are pests almost everywhere. They annihilate ecosystems en masse, it's kind of ridiculous. I'd support them being hunted in almost every fashion. [editline]20th July 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Steam-Pixie;52488419]But then if that happens wouldn't boars be close to extinction? :frown:[/QUOTE] lmao, good luck getting boars to go extinct. they're just really large, angry roaches, I swear

Boars are invasive in a lot of regions and getting rid of them in those regions would be a good thing. You can hunt them year round without limit in Texas, so it would only be poaching if you didn't have a hunting license.

[QUOTE=PsycheClops;52488310]First off, as a humanitarian, [B]NO[/B] Second, if they're on sight, what pray tell is the point of shooting them? If they do not fire back or attempt to fire back, you could, you know, capture and detain them. There is no need to shoot them on sight if they don't do otherwise, and doing so is objectively and morally wrong. Third, some poachers could have a key source of information. Whether it would be their motivations or who they work for, I'd really not risk losing that information unless your life is on the line.[/QUOTE] This comes off a lot like they "why can't they just shoot them in the leg" argument. Poachers do not go off hunting unarmed. Poachers know that in most countries they poach, they face [I]harsh[/I] criminal punishments if caught. Poachers are as much a threat to the lives of the park workers as they are the animals within.

[QUOTE=snookypookums;52488413]Way to make boars feel bad, man. :frown: [IMG]https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/50/8e/61/508e619f744958ed93e0e7ac01d7acec--animal-templates-masai.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE] ...except that [I]isn't[/I] a boar? It's an African Warthog. Different genus.

This is a bit of old news but its an interesting read on the consequence of Poaching, elephants are literally evolving to not have tusks. [URL="http://www.independent.co.uk/news/elephants-africa-tusks-ivory-poaching-born-without-a7440706.html"]http://www.independent.co.uk/news/elephants-africa-tusks-ivory-poaching-born-without-a7440706.html[/URL]

[QUOTE=G.I.U.L.I.O.;52488919]...except that [I]isn't[/I] a boar? It's an African Warthog. Different genus.[/QUOTE] No it's a Pumbaa

[QUOTE=Native Hunter;52488945]This is a bit of old news but its an interesting read on the consequence of Poaching, elephants are literally evolving to not have tusks. [URL]http://www.independent.co.uk/news/elephants-africa-tusks-ivory-poaching-born-without-a7440706.html[/URL][/QUOTE] If our selective breeding of other animals is anything to go by maybe we could breed tusks out of elephants to speed this process up. Safe to say breeding elephants isn't in the same ballpark as your regular moggy & Fido, though.

[QUOTE=PsycheClops;52488310]First off, as a humanitarian, [B]NO[/B] Second, if they're on sight, what pray tell is the point of shooting them? If they do not fire back or attempt to fire back, you could, you know, capture and detain them. There is no need to shoot them on sight if they don't do otherwise, and doing so is objectively and morally wrong. Third, some poachers could have a key source of information. Whether it would be their motivations or who they work for, I'd really not risk losing that information unless your life is on the line.[/QUOTE] It often already happens. You forget that the countries that this goes down in dont have the most robust criminal justice systems and, when faced with criminals that usually shoot first anyway, the wardens tend to stop giving a fuck and just cap em. Is it the humanitarian thing to do? Not really. But it is what happens often enough.

[QUOTE=ferrus;52489004]If our selective breeding of other animals is anything to go by maybe we could breed tusks out of elephants to speed this process up. Safe to say breeding elephants isn't in the same ballpark as your regular moggy & Fido, though.[/QUOTE] Except they use those tusks as tools, including using them to dig for water in times of drought, so their survival capabilities would be diminished to a degree.

[QUOTE=snookypookums;52487886] :frown: Elephants are real bros, I hope they don't go extinct.[/QUOTE] Aren't elephants basically considered sapient? That'd be a hell of a tragedy.

[QUOTE=ForgottenKane;52488835]Boars are pests almost everywhere. They annihilate ecosystems en masse, it's kind of ridiculous. I'd support them being hunted in almost every fashion. [editline]20th July 2017[/editline] lmao, good luck getting boars to go extinct. they're just really large, angry roaches, I swear[/QUOTE] Trying to wipe out boars would be like the American equivalent of the emu wars. People are basically allowed to slaughter them en masse with registered machine guns and shooting from helicopters, but somehow the population of those fuckers is [B][I]still rising[/I][/B].

Imagine a universe in which no Elephants exist. That's a possibility. What have we done.

From what I understand, isn't there a massive population of elephants in east africa? It's down south they've been getting slaughtered. Hopefully something can be done for them. Elephants are amazing animals.

[QUOTE=Trilby Harlow;52488107]That's a horrible idea, that just means that eventually we'll have one absolutely unstoppable poaacher king who will render every animal on earth extinct.[/QUOTE] The Apex Poacher. [editline]20th July 2017[/editline] The Poacher to End All Poachers.

[QUOTE=OvB;52488854]Boars are invasive in a lot of regions and getting rid of them in those regions would be a good thing. You can hunt them year round without limit in Texas, so it would only be poaching if you didn't have a hunting license.[/QUOTE] Honestly there should be laws in place that let you freely hunt invasive species outside of cities with a basic license. They're a problem everywhere here.

[media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bOtbe_sdV8[/media] While I don't like the way the video was cut or presented, I do think flooding the market with fake horn and making the business unprofitable is a good idea.

[QUOTE=Kommodore;52488001]for context, a lot of animal reserves are run by fringe charity foundations that can barely pay their park ranger/guard staff on a regular basis, which compounds the probelm[/QUOTE] ??? [url]https://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?bay=search.summary&orgid=7257[/url] This is the biggest elephant conservatory in the US and has one of the best ratings on charity navigator out of all charities

[QUOTE=_charon;52487907][I]kill[/I] is maybe a little too far, terrible as poaching may be and a significant issue is that poachers are as dangerous to people as they are to animals, this isn't like stopping a robbery in progress[/QUOTE] no, shoot them on sight, how else are you going to scare them out

Wow it's getting so bad they'll have to make it legal to kill poachers! Or even offer rewards and bounties for killing them.

[QUOTE=_Axel;52488256]The Chinese should stop with their retarded alternative "medicine".[/QUOTE] They've done it for thousands of years, traditions like that won't just "stop" even if it is made illegal.