Take-Two sent a C&D letter to the OpenIV team, therefore killing GTA 5 modding - Sensationalist Headlines

[QUOTE=Luni;52360516]And if I remember correctly TOS/EULA are not legally binding, so it's not a [i]crime[/i] for you to break them?[/QUOTE] In Europe EULAs are essentially worthless. I'm not sure about America but I don't think they're legally binding.

[QUOTE=Exploders;52360481]Huh, I assumed you'd need OpenIV to run FiveM. I wonder if FiveM devs would leave a similar message if they get hit as well.[/QUOTE] FiveM would just move to a different name, again. Like they've done the last 6 times. :v: The FiveM team really doesn't give a fuck.

[QUOTE=DrTaxi;52360490]Modifying something someone else made may very well be against copyright law. This case is quite likely to fall under special protections, though.[/QUOTE] So I was breaking the law when I taped over my VHS movies?

tbh doesnt the recent supreme court ruiling allow you to tell T2 to go fuck themselves. [url]https://www.wired.com/2017/06/impression-v-lexmark/[/url]

[QUOTE=Wii60;52360550]tbh doesnt the recent supreme court ruiling allow you to tell T2 to go fuck themselves. [url]https://www.wired.com/2017/06/impression-v-lexmark/[/url][/QUOTE] The creators of OpenIV are russian

I was already done with GTA V as soon the new update went live, a hacker dumped a few mil on my character and my bank got wiped back to 0$ and the only way to enjoy any good content or hell even the new content is to shovel out real money for a shark card or to grind for about half a year since i can't play that much because of work. Bit offtopic but seeing this strategy of free DLC basically being behind a invisible paywall makes me very worried for Red Dead Redemption 2 Online

Earlier people were doubting my call to boycott Take-Two products from now on. I agree, we will not make a large difference because many consumers are apathetic sheep who just buy stuff and don't care about other things so long as they enjoy the experience. But it doesn't matter HOW MANY of us boycott, its how much we take away from Take-Two and their greedy corporate bullshit.

[QUOTE=Damjen;52359882][URL="https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--uJYUJ7W2--/c_scale,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/18j48weujcgewjpg.jpg"]I'm sure the boycott will be very successful[/URL][/QUOTE] yeah guys, let's never boycott a game and keep posting this image because a call of duty boycott didn't pan out. someone explain this hivemind to me, that we should never even try just because of a couple notable examples of it going poorly. i feel like we need to boycott a lot of shitty things happening in vidya now more than ever, but no, everyone wants to post this call of duty steam group screenshot lmao!!

Take two can sod off, I hate them, I hate them so much, driving around in GTA V with manual transmission was an incredibly relaxing experience and literally my main time killer, I couldn't be more angry. [editline]15th June 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Destroyox;52360471]Doesn't make it any less stupid.[/QUOTE] Or correct, EULAs can't override local law, if for example, Spain which allows modifying software in order to allow interoperation with your own program, something an EULA can't override.

GTA online has ruined take two and rockstar for me

[QUOTE=redBadger;52360978]GTA online has ruined take two and rockstar for me[/QUOTE] Not only was it a bad multiplayer, by eliminating OpenIV they have sent a clear message, they don't like mods. No modder should ever make a mod for a game related to take two ever, modding is not a cancer, it's a privilege your game gets, the ultimate love letter from your players to you, it's generally a complicated process that requires a lot of man hours, it's unfair to the modders because they have worked on improving the customizability of take two's games for free, and all they get is a legal threat. You are literally improving someone else's game when you mod it to fit someone else's idea of how that game would be if it was perfect, take-two doesn't deserve it, they can go burn in a fire.

[QUOTE=eirexe;52360999]Not only was it a bad multiplayer, by eliminating OpenIV they have sent a clear message, they don't like mods. [/QUOTE] Only in GTAV. They allow modding in other games.

[QUOTE=Tuskin;52361012]Only in GTAV. They allow modding in other games.[/QUOTE] I don't care, modding is a staple of the GTA series, if they have had the bravery to stop allowing mods in GTA of all games they will have the bravery to stop allowing mods anywhere else.

[QUOTE=eirexe;52361045]I don't care, modding is a staple of the GTA series, if they have had the bravery to stop allowing mods in GTA of all games they will have the bravery to stop allowing mods anywhere else.[/QUOTE] They stopped the modding because it was affecting their profits from the horrible microtransactions in MP. As long as modding isn't effecting their income I doubt they'll care.

[QUOTE=Tuskin;52360446]Most games you don't actually own, you own a licence to use it.[/QUOTE] This is how they try to spin it but these "licenses" are usually part of EULA's which are also known as adhesive contracts which don't hold up in court.

[QUOTE=Tuskin;52361050]They stopped the modding because it was affecting their profits from the horrible microtransactions in MP. As long as modding isn't effecting their income I doubt they'll care.[/QUOTE] OpenIV is literally the latest thing they would have threatened if that was the case then, since OpenIV is literally a tool to change files, it cannot be used for cheating in any way.

[QUOTE=eirexe;52361059]OpenIV is literally the latest thing they would have threatened if that was the case then, since OpenIV is literally a tool to change files, it cannot be used for cheating in any way.[/QUOTE] Yeah it can, GTA Online loads your client side files, if you edit those files it can change in Online.

[QUOTE=Tuskin;52361067]Yeah it can, GTA Online loads your client side files, if you edit those files it can change in Online.[/QUOTE] GTA Online refuses to load if you modify them though.

I've yet to find an instance when modders received a C&D letter and it wasn't about a copyright issue.

[QUOTE=Tuskin;52361067]Yeah it can, GTA Online loads your client side files, if you edit those files it can change in Online.[/QUOTE] Call me stupid but why would they keep GTA Online files on the client side instead of on the servers?

[QUOTE=Kecske;52361088]I've yet to find an instance when modders received a C&D letter and it wasn't about a copyright issue.[/QUOTE] Copyright is never an issue, it's mostly trademarks, you can't lose copyright by not enforcing it. Which is not the case here, this case is pure greed.

Maybe I'm thinking of GTA4.

[QUOTE=Tuskin;52361095]Maybe I'm thinking of GTA4.[/QUOTE] It's the other way around, GTA 4 has properly done multiplayer, GTAO has shitty P2P multiplayer. GTA IV only allows modded users to play with other modded users or to invite their friends.

[QUOTE=eirexe;52361104]It's the other way around, GTA 4 has properly done multiplayer, GTAO has shitty P2P multiplayer. GTA IV only allows modded users to play with other modded users or to invite their friends.[/QUOTE] I remember one of the games, your character had an invisible 'bubble' around them, anything you modified client side would effect anything in the bubble, so if you had modified car physics, cars within a certain distance of you would be effected because they were client side.

[QUOTE=Tuskin;52361110]I remember one of the games, your character had an invisible 'bubble' around them, anything you modified client side would effect anything in the bubble, so if you had modified car physics, cars within a certain distance of you would be effected because they were client side.[/QUOTE] that's GTA O, but you cannot go online with modified files anymore even if that was possible it's still their issue, they should have made the multiplayer properly

[QUOTE=nerdster409;52361089]Call me stupid but why would they keep GTA Online files on the client side instead of on the servers?[/QUOTE] Someone correct me if I'm wrong but didn't this p2p practice gain popularity on consoles in order to avoid having a shit ton of dedicated servers? It can also help with host advantage in certain games. EDIT Worded it a bit better.

[QUOTE=Con Air;52361140]Someone correct me if I'm wrong but isn't this p2p a practice that gained popularity on consoles to avoid having a shit ton of dedicated servers? Also gets rid of a host's advantage in certain games.[/QUOTE] yeah, but it only works in consoles because it takes a lot of time for users to be able to run their own software on their consoles, it doesn't work on PC for obvious reasons

[QUOTE=eirexe;52361144]yeah, but it only works in consoles because it takes a lot of time for users to be able to run their own software on their consoles, it doesn't work on PC for obvious reasons[/QUOTE] Yeah, GTA 5 is a perfect example of why it should never be done on PC.

Take-two can get fucked.

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;52360295]I find I'm not buying a lot of games these days thanks to what an absolute shitheap the video games industry is now.[/QUOTE] I just find old games I haven't fully played yet. I'm in SSX 3 right now for example, it's fantastic.