Cuckolding can be positive for some couples, study says - Sensationalist Headlines

[QUOTE=Marbalo;53085375]Society's values. Psychology's values. The metric is the majority of the population because we still don't know how the brain works, and so our only compass in this particular soft-science, is the rule of the majority. For example, the majority of the population is happy, therefore one must be happy to be considered having a relatively normal base-line. Chemicals in the brain and all that. But did you know that a person is capable of deriving pleasure from otherwise negative expriences like the occasional mid-day sadness or even depression? This directly contradicts that which many professionals advocated for just a couple of decade sao, and it's bewildering as to why. BDSM, by the way, is closely linked to this unknown. Therefore, if science can't quite yet provide a definitive answer to the enigma that is our brains, I choose to rely on the rule of the majority, and history.[/QUOTE] Going with the majority is not always the best thing to do.

[QUOTE=Marbalo;53085375]Society's values. Psychology's values. The metric is the majority of the population because we still don't know how the brain works, and so our only compass in this particular soft-science, is the rule of the majority. For example, the majority of the population is happy, therefore one must be happy to be considered having a relatively normal base-line. Chemicals in the brain and all that. But did you know that a person is capable of deriving pleasure from otherwise negative expriences like the occasional mid-day sadness or even depression? This directly contradicts that which many professionals advocated for just a couple of decade sao, and it's bewildering as to why. BDSM, by the way, is closely linked to this unknown. Therefore, if science can't quite yet provide a definitive answer to the enigma that is our brains, I choose to rely on the rule of the majority, and history.[/QUOTE] what's your opinion on interracial relationships

[QUOTE=Marbalo;53085390]I don't particularly care one way or the other. Why do you ask?[/QUOTE] you're arguing that you base your evaluation of what is good and what is bad based on history and society so using the same logic as before, are interracial relationships healthy or unhealthy?

[QUOTE=Marbalo;53085375] For example, the majority of the population is happy, therefore one must be happy to be considered having a relatively normal base-line.[/QUOTE] gonna need some citations there.

[QUOTE=ALurker;53084889]Local forum discovers people like weird fetishes that are done with consent, more at 11. Seriously most of you guys are furries, how is this any worse?[/QUOTE] took a poll, did ya?

[QUOTE=Marbalo;53085403]Healthy. I really don't understand what race has to do with any of my points. What I meant by history and society is the process of our transition from polygamy to monogamy in the developed world.[/QUOTE]That was mostly a result of Christian beliefs taking over the western world more than anything dude. Not so much what's healthy or not.

Except that wasn’t a transition, that was christianity forcing its values onto other cultures and people.

[QUOTE=Marbalo;53085403]Healthy. I really don't understand what race has to do with any of my points. What I meant by history and society is the process of our transition from polygamy to monogamy in the developed world.[/QUOTE] so you're saying that it doesn't matter that interracial relationships have been considered unhealthy and immoral for thousands of years, in societies all over the globe? You're saying it doesn't matter that up until a few decades ago, in many places they were illegal?

[QUOTE=Marbalo;53085411]There are millions of a-religious folks currently alive in the developed world that still practice monogomy. Also, both of the things you've mentioned are not mutually exclusive.[/QUOTE] that's because those millions of a-religious folks were raised in cultures where monogamy is the way of life it's a leftover feature from when religion was the be all or end all of everything

[QUOTE=Marbalo;53085407]Citation for what exactly? That clinical depression is a recognized illness which is basically just a mis-balance of brain chemicals? And that we decided that this particular mis-balance is not the norm and is unhealthy i.e againt the baseline for what is otherwise considered normal i.e the majority of the population?[/QUOTE] citations for statistics demonstrating that the majority of people are happy (and by extension, the recorded metric for being definably "happy")

I find the whole "weakness" thing so weird. So unbelievably weird. Like yeah, I want to be dominated and made to feel weak and powerless and completely under my partner's control and subjected to their will. That's a kink. That's just how I am. All the people who are so morally opposed to this kind of stuff, tell me to my face that I'm weak or pathetic or inferior or mediocre just because my entire life isn't me actualizing some power fantasy. [sp]while we're on the subject I find "soyboy" hilarious because, like, if soy actually feminizes you... where do I buy pure soy[/sp]

[QUOTE=Marbalo;53085438]Yes. Because as I've said before, dealing with soft-sciences often leads to having soft goal posts. I've no concrete metric to judge something as good or bad in this particular topic, therefore I choose to rely on what the majority feels is immoral and unhealthy. Taking a minute to ponder further, I guess I must concede my points as it goes against all healthy logic. I guess there really is nothing inherently wrong with people who are into cuckold stuff. I've decided that instead of just bailing out of the thread I'll keep on typing as I'm being more and more convinced with what you guys are saying. It's just getting harder and harder to adapt to this new world, to swallow more stuff. I dont want anyone to feel like shit, but at the same time I also don't want to give up my principles, and it's something I've wrestled with for the past 3 decades of my life. I'll eventually get there though, I hope. Thanks for taking the time to reply. Once again, I genuinely concede all points.[/QUOTE]It's not like you HAVE to become a cuck by law, or be into an open relationship. Talk with your lovers. See what they're like. If you wouldn't feel comfortable sharing their type of love, or vice versa, then try to find a solution or common ground. If you can't, then it's okay to break things off. Don't force you or others into something that doesn't work. It's really good that you can step forwards and acknowledge that it's a possibility, though. It's been said a million times in this thread, and in life, but communication is the key to a healthy relationship. That's what matters more than sexual turn ons, or what kind of love you can have. Being able to talk about these things.

[QUOTE=Marbalo;53085438]Yes. Because as I've said before, dealing with soft-sciences often leads to having soft goal posts. I've no concrete metric to judge something as good or bad in this particular topic, therefore I choose to rely on what the majority feels is immoral and unhealthy. Taking a minute to ponder further, I guess I must concede my points as it goes against all healthy logic. I guess there really is nothing inherently wrong with people who are into cuckold stuff. I've decided that instead of just bailing out of the thread I'll keep on typing as I'm being more and more convinced with what you guys are saying. It's just getting harder and harder to adapt to this new world, to swallow more stuff. I dont want anyone to feel like shit, but at the same time I also don't want to give up my principles, and it's something I've wrestled with for the past 3 decades of my life. I'll eventually get there though, I hope. Thanks for taking the time to reply. Once again, I genuinely concede all points.[/QUOTE] This is legitimately the first time I've ever seen someone change their mind in an online argument. Props, seriously.

[QUOTE=AtomicSans;53085443]This is legitimately the first time I've ever seen someone change their mind in an online argument. Props, seriously.[/QUOTE] I'm genuinely amazed as well, considering the 9 pages of back-and-forth arguments that there has been in this thread, not to mention the obvious zing bait by the people who didn't read the article who posted in the first page, along with a few people being uneducated overall and unironically using "cuck(ing)" in a non-cuckolding context, but at least we get to see something nice out of it (which I didn't thought I'd get after lurking this thread for a bit). Even love can flourish in the battlefield.

[QUOTE=Marbalo;53085438]Yes. Because as I've said before, dealing with soft-sciences often leads to having soft goal posts. I've no concrete metric to judge something as good or bad in this particular topic, therefore I choose to rely on what the majority feels is immoral and unhealthy. Taking a minute to ponder further, I guess I must concede my points as it goes against all healthy logic. I guess there really is nothing inherently wrong with people who are into cuckold stuff. I've decided that instead of just bailing out of the thread I'll keep on typing as I'm being more and more convinced with what you guys are saying. It's just getting harder and harder to adapt to this new world, to swallow more stuff. I dont want anyone to feel like shit, but at the same time I also don't want to give up my principles, and it's something I've wrestled with for the past 3 decades of my life. I'll eventually get there though, I hope. Thanks for taking the time to reply. Once again, I genuinely concede all points.[/QUOTE] I dunno how old you are, but assuming you're in your 20s and going up, part of getting older is being able to identify less with the newer generations and different ideas. Some people are just wired to not go for new ideas in the first place. I try to be chill about everything even if I need to remind myself to do that. The way I see the world, history tells us that most things we believe were always true, and traditional, usually aren't. Everyone's just trying to get through life in the way that makes them happiest and it's best to just let people do what they want as long as it isn't definitively hurting someone. I embrace new ideas about relationships, identity, so on, even when I don't practice them or have interest in practicing them, because to me they make the world that little bit more complex and interesting. And to my mind, humans are such infinitely complex beings I doubt there's any subject in which we are truly hardwired to work one way and one way only psychologically, whether it's gender or love or sex or whatever.

[QUOTE=Marbalo;53085438]Yes. Because as I've said before, dealing with soft-sciences often leads to having soft goal posts. I've no concrete metric to judge something as good or bad in this particular topic, therefore I choose to rely on what the majority feels is immoral and unhealthy. Taking a minute to ponder further, I guess I must concede my points as it goes against all healthy logic. I guess there really is nothing inherently wrong with people who are into cuckold stuff. I've decided that instead of just bailing out of the thread I'll keep on typing as I'm being more and more convinced with what you guys are saying. It's just getting harder and harder to adapt to this new world, to swallow more stuff. I dont want anyone to feel like shit, but at the same time I also don't want to give up my principles, and it's something I've wrestled with for the past 3 decades of my life. I'll eventually get there though, I hope. Thanks for taking the time to reply. Once again, I genuinely concede all points.[/QUOTE] Thanks for reminding me to be less nasty in my posts because sometimes people [I]are[/I] willing to listen and change their mind.

[QUOTE=DinoJesus;53085165]Toxic masculinity is such a fucking joke. It's just a stupid label that people use passive aggressively for "opinion I dislike." I'm tapping out. I have no desire to be called a bigot because I think cuckolding is sad.[/QUOTE] Not really, you're implying that men are somehow "weak" for participating in something that you view as something that is emasculating them. That's pretty much what the textbook definition is.

Ah yes, the belief you are inferior to others and that your significant other is better off with someone else. What a positive mindset! You're right, thank you CNN.

[QUOTE=Marbalo;53085438] Thanks for taking the time to reply. Once again, I genuinely concede all points.[/QUOTE] It takes a lot for someone to publicly concede after arguing something for that long, and I'm genuinely happy to see it happen each time that it does. Doubly so because the post wasn't just a one-liner.

[QUOTE=Episode;53085525]Ah yes, the belief you are inferior to others and that your significant other is better off with someone else. What a positive mindset! You're right, thank you CNN.[/QUOTE] Maybe that applies to you

not into it.

This thread has been a ride, it's probably the only place on the net I've seen serious discussion of cuckoldry as a fetish, and it's negative or positive impacts. It's refreshing at least, I've learned a few new things. But there's something I just can't wrap my head around when it comes with cuckoldry. Someone posted earlier in this thread a theory they had, that the rise of porn and porn addiction has something to do with the rise of the cuck fetish. It makes sense that a generation growing up watching other people have sex might develop a fetish for it, and whether or not it's strictly true, I still think it points to uncomfortable conclusions. I hate to sound like the standard homophobe here, but - what if someone is confused? Like, what if they actually value monogamy and don't realize how much they truly don't want to see their spouse fucked by someone else until it's too late? That would be fucking devastating, man. The only reason I bring this up is because of a certain video I came across once, a video I'm sure some other people may have seen, of a trio performing a cuck act and the dude saying he'd like to stop, feeling they've gone too far. The trust and restraint are gone at that point, and the other two continue. To reference a pure anecdote of one single video I saw probably doesn't mean much, but the fact remorseful cuckoldry acts do happen from time to time is kind of heartbreaking, knowing that there are people out there so wrought by their porn addictions they might go too far into territory they're not entirely comfortable with. This can all be said for basically any fetish, or even sexual act, depending on the person. But few have the potential to tear down relationships and ruin ones own self-imposed moral fiber like cuckoldry has. Don't get me wrong from the tone of this post, I actually really do not care what people enjoy in the bedroom, and I actually find it somewhat admirable the courage some of these people have to enjoy such a unanimously-shunned fetish. This article, and mainly this thread, just had me curious on exactly how positive we need to depict cuckoldry in general. As other people in this thread have noted, this article is basically saying nothing. Not only is it for cuckoldry in homosexual relationships, the main point is a no-brainer: healthy exploration of fetishes between couples can be good. I just have to wonder [I]why[/I] they attached that conclusion onto cuckoldry of all things. Is dismantling the whole "cuck" insult from the alt-right really that important? If you ask me, I don't think cuckoldry is anything to be shamed. It's a fetish, and I wouldn't raise my eyebrow any further upon meeting a cuck than I would, say, meeting a scat fetishist. But I find it a strange choice to be promoting as a positive and healthy lifestyle, out of [I]all[/I] the different fetishes that you could say the exact same thing about.

I'm fine with people being into cuckoldry. Whatever floats your boat. But honestly, if my significant other confessed they wanted to try cuckolding, I would be conflicted. I want to respect her wishes and not kink shame, but that would plant a seed of doubt in my mind. Does she not see me as sexually attractive anymore, and thus wants to be intimate with another person? Am I not being masculine enough for her, so she wants a better man? Does she get off on humiliating me or making me feel inadequate, and if so, what does she really think of me and how will that impact the rest of our relationship? If I say "no, I don't feel comfortable with this", will she not be happy in our relationship, and will this cause her to fulfill her fantasy behind my back, i.e. cheating? If I say I don't feel comfortable, is it the best course of action to end the relationship, because I will never truly satisfy her desires and doom her to a relationship where she cannot express such desires if she wants to stay? Just mentioning cuckoldry opens a can of worms. I know communication is paramount in a relationship but this would make me very paranoid. I honestly don't know what to do if that happened and honestly I hope I never have to deal with that. An ideal relationship for me is monogamous, where we love each other and only each other. To me adding a third party would add feelings of jealousy, inadequacy, and lingering doubt. I know that makes me insecure but I guess I am, that's just who I am. I respect others who feel differently but in a relationship I want to feel loved, safe, and valued exclusively, and I don't think I can feel that way in an open or cuckold relationship.

[QUOTE=WillerinV1.02;53085622]*stuff*[/QUOTE] Last I checked, a good majority of FP'ers don't think porn addiction is a real thing/deny the effects of it.

[QUOTE=LuaChobo;53085744]what's with this concentrated effort to make people adulterous these days if you are into it cool, I don't want anything to do with it. I've had people legitimately tell me that my boyfriend should let me sleep around because it's "not fair that he doesn't let you top him" and I'm just like fuck OFF keep your fetishes in the bedroom, don't push em on people[/QUOTE] Yeah, for as much as I've been pushing the communication/acceptance narrative, I don't really know why the media is focusing on this stuff. It isn't news. Some stuff within the study is news, but the title of the article was absolutely not the point nor the center of the study.

[QUOTE=phygon;53085795]Yeah, for as much as I've been pushing the communication/acceptance narrative, I don't really know why the media is focusing on this stuff. It isn't news. Some stuff within the study is news, but the title of the article was absolutely not the point nor the center of the study.[/QUOTE] I feel like the only reason this is getting any media attention at all is the rise of the alt-right and their habit of calling everyone who isn't alt-right a cuck.

[QUOTE=WillerinV1.02;53085622]snip[/QUOTE] If you go on 4chan where there's less taboo and epic zingers don't carry as much weight you see all sorts of stories about cuckolding. Some people say it was an extremely powerful experience and that they still practice it as a couple, and some say exactly what you described, that it broke apart the relationship. My ex was cuckolded by her ex (the one that came before me), an idea she herself brought up. It wrecked their relationship completely. She wanted to do the same with me (me cucking her, not her cucking me) but I didn't want none of it. To this day people laugh at me for not wanting to bang other chicks in front of my girlfriend, but I got no regrets really.

I genuinely respect guys who aren't afraid to admit they enjoy watching their wife get fucked by another guy. Most men would be absolutely broken by the sight, whereas cucks can have their cake and eat it, too. I might not understand why they're into it, but then again, I don't understand why people are into the majority of the weird-ass fetishes out there. I don't understand wanting a woman to dump ass on your chest, but if that's what gets you off, then who cares? The same goes for any fetish; if you're into it, you're into it, and it's that simple. On the other hand, I find the reaction to the fetish from the alt-right (and from what places like my FB feed and even this very forum tell me, the average reaction) to be a pretty solid indicator of just how sexually insecure/ignorant a lot of people can be about these kinds of things. Seriously, it's cool if you'd break down into a puddle of a human if you caught your SO getting dicked by a dude with a mutant cock. That's fine, that's how the majority would feel. It would certainly break me for a long time, too. Shaming the dudes that [i]would[/i] like that, though? That just makes you an asshole.

[QUOTE=TacticalBacon;53085802]I feel like the only reason this is getting any media attention at all is the rise of the alt-right and their habit of calling everyone who isn't alt-right a cuck.[/QUOTE] But they began doing that because of the sudden weird media attention to cucking.

[QUOTE=phygon;53085880]But they began doing that because of the sudden weird media attention to cucking.[/QUOTE] I feel like thats a tad revisionist, theres definitely a much longer history of people on 4chan calling others beta males, cucks, ect in an attempt to degrade their "manliness" or whatever than there is a history of the media drawing attention to cuckolding