Cuckolding can be positive for some couples, study says - Sensationalist Headlines

[QUOTE=DinoJesus;53085138]I concede that if that's the case it's less sad, but I still think it's a bit weak. I have a hard time believing that's the majority of cuckold relationships though.[/QUOTE] I mean how could you know a lot of people are completely different in the bedroom in ways they aren't the entire rest of their life. It's totally possible for a completely loving, emotionally monogamous relationship where both parties are satisfied to still be in to it. Could have a larger than average dick, be fit and successful, and still like it just because you like to be submissive in that way in the bedroom

[QUOTE=DinoJesus;53085103]Speaking subjectively, I'm met open couples and read plenty of accounts from cuckold couples and it always feels like someone is getting fucked over. I remember reading one guy who said he went through boxes of wine just to come to terms with it. Sure if everyone was perfect it'd work out fine, but that's just not realistic. Like I said, I'm not going to stop them from doing it, but I'm still going to have my outside opinion.[/QUOTE] You only see the 10 people who had bad experiences with it, not the 1000 people who are enjoying it. I should reiterate and say that we're talking about cuckolding as a fetish, between consenting and approving adults. A person who got cheated upon will obviously feel awful and cheating is obviously not okay and nobody here is condoning it.

[QUOTE=AtomicSans;53085137]I might get some flak for saying this, but.. Comments like this are great examples of toxic masculinity definitely being a thing that exists.[/QUOTE] Toxic masculinity is such a fucking joke. It's just a stupid label that people use passive aggressively for "opinion I dislike." I'm tapping out. I have no desire to be called a bigot because I think cuckolding is sad.

[QUOTE=DinoJesus;53085165]Toxic masculinity is such a fucking joke. It's just a stupid label that people use passive aggressively for "opinion I dislike."[/QUOTE] No? It's a label for the opinion that showing any weakness is bad.

you heard it here folks, couples who are secure enough in their relationships to bring a third person into the bedroom consensually are “undermining the foundation of a healthy relationship” by having a healthy relationship where they’re able to be secure enough in their own relationship to do that. A+ logic [QUOTE=Marbalo;53085170]Kinks are an indication of personality traits and the overall mental health of an individual.[/quote] No, they're not. I know women who are fairly shy outwardly who enjoy being dominant in the bedroom. I know women who are the opposite, who enjoying being more sub in the bedroom while being more dominant outwardly. Same goes with men. Kinks are not an indication of personality traits or someone's mental health, hate to break it to you. [QUOTE=Marbalo;53085170]Real life relationships don't work like that.[/quote] Relationships are built on healthy communication, so yes, they do. Like, if partners in a relationship are not communicating in a healthy way, it's a broken relationship.

[QUOTE=Marbalo;53085170]This argumantation is absolutely stupid. Why does anybody care about anything? It's a stop sign to discussion because you're unable to defend your points. I personally don't care. I doubt U.S.S.R spends all his free time degrading people who are into cuckold. But given that it's the entire topic of this thread and the research posted in the OP, this "why do you care lmao" defense shtick isn't applicable anymore. [/quote] It's only really a stop sign if it's a question that you're legitimately unable to answer, in which case you probably should stop. There are plenty of things worth caring about in terms of the effect they will have on the world, but what is going to happen if someone gets off to watching their partner get fucked by someone else? And you know that that's what's being asked, because you address that in the second part of your post. [quote]Kinks are an indication of personality traits and the overall mental health of an individual. This errosion of values never seems to end, does it? And yes, I am aware it's the same argumentative logic ultra-conservatives apply to gay marriage and etc, but this doesn't inherently mean that the argumantation is flawed. I personally believe that it's an entirely harmful kink that should remain ostracized and rediculed by society because it undermines the foundation of a healthy relationship. Which doesn't just boil down to "just talk about stuff lol and everything will be fine :)" because real life doesn't work like that. Real life relationships don't work like that. They are far more complex and dynamic that what you appear to assume they are. I really couldn't care less about what people do inside their bedrooms with consent from their partners. But that doesn't mean that you get to dismiss his or anyone else's opinion because you don't think it's a big deal. It's an unhealthy kink. This "kinkshame" shit is just another buzzword to use for people who like to brush off criticism they cant handle.[/QUOTE] There's no factual basis for saying that someone is mentally unhealthy for having a kink. Society isn't going to unravel because some guy likes watching someone else fuck his wife.

I have no problem with people being into cuckoldry. It's super not my thing but if everyone involved agrees to it it's fine. The only problem I have with cuckoldry is that if one person is into it and their partner isn't the partner might feel forced to go through with it to satisfy their partner, which would be dangerous for the relationship, but the same could be said for many fetishes like BDSM or scat fetishes. Mostly I just wish the whole cuck meme died off. I'm sick of seeing it used as an insult for everything and for so many recommended youtube videos being about cucks in some way. Seriously I just watch let's plays and film reviews, why am I always suggested this shit?

[QUOTE=Marbalo;53085170]This errosion of values never seems to end, does it?[/QUOTE] This is the same shitty argument that any religious person on the more extreme side uses for anything they don't like or is part of their religious beliefs, so yeah, it's a flawed argument.

Is it the same term if your female partner gets off of you being with other women?

[QUOTE=Marbalo;53085170]This argumantation is absolutely stupid. Why does anybody care about anything? It's a stop sign to discussion because you're unable to defend your points. I personally don't care. I doubt U.S.S.R spends all his free time degrading people who are into cuckold. But given that it's the entire topic of this thread and the research posted in the OP, this "why do you care lmao" defense shtick isn't applicable anymore. Kinks are an indication of personality traits and the overall mental health of an individual. This errosion of values never seems to end, does it? And yes, I am aware it's the same argumentative logic ultra-conservatives apply to gay marriage and etc, but this doesn't inherently mean that the argumantation is flawed. I personally believe that it's an entirely harmful kink that should remain ostracized and rediculed by society because it undermines the foundation of a healthy relationship. Which doesn't just boil down to "just talk about stuff lol and everything will be fine :)" because real life doesn't work like that. Real life relationships don't work like that. They are far more complex and dynamic that what you appear to assume they are. I really couldn't care less about what people do inside their bedrooms with consent from their partners. But that doesn't mean that you get to dismiss his or anyone else's opinion because you don't think it's a big deal. It's an unhealthy kink. This "kinkshame" shit is just another buzzword to use for people who like to brush off criticism they cant handle.[/QUOTE] the pope called, he wants u back at the vatican

[QUOTE=Marbalo;53085214]The problem is that it's a "healthy relationship" entirely inside their head, contained within and inbetween themselves. Your metric of what constitutes a good relationship probably boils down to "if they feel good about it then it's ok" which is a dangeous and a willy-nilly metric because literally any type of messed up relationship can be justified using it, my metric is the evolution of relationships and how our spieces have evolved. We have evolved as a society past multiple sexual partners because it's unhealthy and errodes trust and closeness over time. This artificial push to completely eliminate that aspect in us errodes those aformentioned values, and all we're left with is the wild west of relationships where everyone can do whatever they like as long as they're happy about it. It's basically a feels before reals type of deal, I guess. Which I feel is a trend in Western society in the past 7 or 8 years that shows no signs of halting anytime soon. I am glad that some users here express concern over this, and that they too are aware that just erasing all stigmas and preconcieved notions about relationships so that we'll all live happily ever after in a fantasy world is not only deluded but also dangerous and counterintuitive.[/QUOTE] what do you think the purpose of a romantic relationship should be

[QUOTE=Marbalo;53085214]The problem is that it's a "healthy relationship" entirely inside their head, contained within and inbetween themselves. Your metric of what constitutes a good relationship probably boils down to "if they feel good about it then it's ok" which is a dangeous and a willy-nilly metric because literally any type of messed up relationship can be justified using it, my metric is the evolution of relationships and how our spieces have evolved. We have evolved as a society past multiple sexual partners because it's unhealthy and errodes trust and closeness over time. This artificial push to completely eliminate that aspect in us errodes those aformentioned values, and all we're left with is the wild west of relationships where everyone can do whatever they like as long as they're happy about it. It's basically a feels before reals type of deal, I guess. Which I feel is a trend in Western society in the past 7 or 8 years that shows no signs of halting anytime soon. I am glad that some users here express concern over this, and that they too are aware that just erasing all stigmas and preconcieved notions about relationships so that we'll all live happily ever after in a fantasy world is not only deluded but also dangerous and counterintuitive.[/QUOTE] There are some relationship dynamics that are unhealthy even if both people are unaware of it, but that tends to be things like codependency or abusive dynamics I definitely wouldn't count 'not monogamous' as an inherently messed up relationship

[QUOTE=Marbalo;53085214]The problem is that it's a "healthy relationship" entirely inside their head, contained within and inbetween themselves. Your metric of what constitutes a good relationship probably boils down to "if they feel good about it then it's ok" which is a dangeous and a willy-nilly metric because literally any type of messed up relationship can be justified using it, my metric is the evolution of relationships and how our spieces have evolved. We have evolved as a society past multiple sexual partners because it's unhealthy and errodes trust and closeness over time. This artificial push to completely eliminate that aspect in us errodes those aformentioned values, and all we're left with is the wild west of relationships where everyone can do whatever they like as long as they're happy about it. It's basically a feels before reals type of deal, I guess. Which I feel is a trend in Western society in the past 7 or 8 years that shows no signs of halting anytime soon. I am glad that some users here express concern over this, and that they too are aware that just erasing all stigmas and preconcieved notions about relationships so that we'll all live happily ever after in a fantasy world is not only deluded but also dangerous and counterintuitive.[/QUOTE] The rise of the "wild west of relationships" won't ruin traditional relationships much like how same-sex marriage has not ruined traditional marriage.

[quote]The problem is that it's a "healthy relationship" entirely inside their head, contained within and inbetween themselves.[/quote] congrats, you figured out what a relationship is??? like what exactly do you think a relationship is???

[QUOTE=phygon;53085141]But [I]why do you care?[/I] You realize that having an interest in a kink is entirely different than being willing to cheat on your spouse, right?[/QUOTE] Because the fact of the matter is they have an interest (even if they don't actualize it) in something that involves hurting me, and they'd have to realize that it's something I consider harmful given how vocal I am about the things I've suffered. Even if they're well intentioned, I do not want to be with someone who can't help but fantasize about scenarios where they're doing something to my detriment, and it's not like they could realistically ever pretend that I'd enjoy it. I do not want to be with someone who derives joy or pleasure from even the concept alone of hurting me, because I've [I]been[/I] with people who derived pleasure from hurting me. It is a matter of principle and a means of making sure I never end up in a bad spot again. I would never date someone who might think about hitting me, and I would never date someone who might think about me sitting lonely while they do whatever they want. Those thoughts alone are unacceptable. It's even worse with a kink, because it means that "won't" can turn into "could" if I was more easily manipulated. I am with someone who would tell me "Never," even if I was insane enough to want to try it, and I wouldn't have it any other way.

[QUOTE=Marbalo;53085238]Let me propose a question; if one partner really gets his rocks off emotionally abusing his partner, and that partner has went through so much stuff in his or her life that they, too, eventually come to love being abused emotionally, would that be alright with you? Both are consenting. You would absolutely have no way of knowing that it's a fondness grown out of desperation, having no previous knowledge of the history between the two partners. You ask them if they're both alright with it and both answer positively. What could you possibely deduct from this particular hypothetical? I mean, both are consenting and both are completely fine with both emotional abuse and being on the recieving end. Would you be morally just to call into question that relationship? What I'm saying is that, once again, relationships are often far more complex and muddy than one assumes, and basing your entire justification for X being good or bad on just kinks, privacy and enjoyment is flawed reasoning. Not a single trained psychologist will agree with you that it's an acceptable way of gauging whether or not a relationship is healthy or not just by way of consent or enjoyment. There are other values in life worth taking into account.[/QUOTE] There's a difference between a sexual fetish and other relationship behavior you dink If both partners continuously engage in the activity then it's probably not ok If both partners engage in the activity with the either explicit or tacit understanding that it is a sexual contract that does not extend to their relationship beyond the bedroom, then it's [I]fine[/I]. What do you think BDSM is? Pro tip- it's not a physically abusive relationship.

[QUOTE=Marbalo;53085238]Let me propose a question; if one partner really gets his rocks off emotionally abusing his partner, and that partner has went through so much stuff in his or her life that they, too, eventually come to love being abused emotionally, would that be alright with you? Both are consenting. You would absolutely have no way of knowing that it's a fondness grown out of desperation, having no previous knowledge of the history between the two partners. You ask them if they're both alright with it and both answer positively. What could you possibely deduct from this particular hypothetical? I mean, both are consenting and both are completely fine with both emotional abuse and being on the recieving end. Would you be morally just to call into question that relationship? What I'm saying is that, once again, relationships are often far more complex and muddy than one assumes, and basing your entire justification for X being good or bad on just kinks, privacy and enjoyment is flawed reasoning. Not a single trained psychologist will agree with you that it's an acceptable way of gauging whether or not a relationship is healthy or not just by way of consent or enjoyment. There are other values in life worth taking into account.[/QUOTE] 'Emotional abuse' necessarily implies someone being taken advantage of or hurt in some way. You can't have a healthy and happy abusive couple because by definition abusive couples are unhealthy and unhappy. please, tell us what metric you use to judge the success of a relationship

Hi, polyamours person in a mongamous relationship here: Y'all full of shit lmao. I've been in open relationships, trios, and plain old closed two people. And I've had the same level of happiness in my life.

[QUOTE=Bumbles;53085248]Cuckholding is so fucking pathetic jesus christ. Like, I do NOT care what someones fetish is unless its actually hurting someone and not consensual(pedos for easiest example when they prey on real children/images/videos) so I dont care if someone is a cuck. But I have more respect for people who eat literal shit than cucks. Cucks, and open relationships in general, are so fucking naive and stupid, once again, I dont care if you are into it, great, doesnt bother me, go for it, but I still can think you are pathetic, naive, and stupid. Anyone who thinks cucking or open relationships work out in the end are so god damn stupid and only themselves and other cuckingjerks would agree, everyone else has a brain and realize the healthiest relationships dont have others involved. Dont be a cuck and expect long lasting relationships if you are the cuck. Their is a reason you are the cuck, because you are mediocre. There is a reason you are in an "open" relationship, you are mediocre.[/QUOTE] You say you don't care yet you spend 2 paragraphs ranting angrily about why people who are into cuckolding are pathetic, stupid, and mediocre.

also I'd love to know what values have already been eroded, judging by your comment of "This errosion of values never seems to end, does it"

[QUOTE=Bumbles;53085248]Cuckholding is so fucking pathetic jesus christ. Like, I do NOT care what someones fetish is unless its actually hurting someone and not consensual(pedos for easiest example when they prey on real children/images/videos) so I dont care if someone is a cuck. But I have more respect for people who eat literal shit than cucks. Cucks, and open relationships in general, are so fucking naive and stupid, once again, I dont care if you are into it, great, doesnt bother me, go for it, but I still can think you are pathetic, naive, and stupid. Anyone who thinks cucking or open relationships work out in the end are so god damn stupid and only themselves and other cuckingjerks would agree, everyone else has a brain and realize the healthiest relationships dont have others involved.[/QUOTE] You need to realize that with a population of 7.6 Billion people, not every person will see monogamy as the best path for them.

[QUOTE=Retinazer;53085260]You need to realize that with a population of 7.6 Billion people, not every person will see monogamy as the best path for them.[/QUOTE] don't you get it? humanity is a hivemind, bro, we might not like it but we all think the same

[QUOTE=Bumbles;53085268]Yes? Because thats my opinion, I can hold both that I DO NOT care if they are a cuck, but once again to reiterate on what I already posted, I can still think they are pathetic and mediocre, it is a very simple concept. Such as, I am not saying "Dont be a cuck you stupid dumbass" but more explaining how I really think a cuck is. Would you give me shit if I said I think people eating shit is disgusting? I think we all can, oh no? Do I now REALLY care about literal shit eaters because I think its gross? Its an opinion, dont get cucked out of shape over it.[/QUOTE] tbh if you didn't care you probably wouldn't have a reason to post in the first place

[QUOTE=bdd458;53085257]also I'd love to know what values have already been eroded, judging by your comment of "This errosion of values never seems to end, does it"[/QUOTE] Even without going in to whether or not that has any historical fact to it, why is there an assumption that old values are always better anyway humanity's 'old values' were fucking garbage, they used children for labor I don't care what people who thought women shouldn't vote, slavery is ok, and child labor is acceptable have to tell me about values

[QUOTE=Bumbles;53085268]Yes? Because thats my opinion, I can hold both that I DO NOT care if they are a cuck, but once again to reiterate on what I already posted, I can still think they are pathetic and mediocre, it is a very simple concept. Such as, I am not saying "Dont be a cuck you stupid dumbass" but more explaining how I really think a cuck is. Would you give me shit if I said I think people eating shit is disgusting? I think we all can, oh no? Do I now REALLY care about literal shit eaters because I think its gross? Its an opinion, dont get cucked out of shape over it.[/QUOTE] "i dont care but here ill rant about how much I don't actually care".

[QUOTE=Bumbles;53085248]Like, I do NOT care what someones fetish is unless its actually hurting someone and not consensual, so I dont care if someone is a cuck. But I have more respect for people who eat literal shit than cucks.[/QUOTE] :wow: [QUOTE=Marbalo;53085238]Let me propose a question; if one partner really gets his rocks off emotionally abusing his partner, and that partner has went through so much stuff in his or her life that they, too, eventually come to love being abused emotionally, would that be alright with you?[/QUOTE] What the everloving fuck?

I'm sick of soccer moms and moralfags telling me that I want to shoot people just because I play violent videogames or that I hate women because of the porn I watch. Fantasy and reality aren't the same thing. UNLES UR INTO CUCKING IN WHICH CASE YOU ARE AN INFERIOR BETAMALE SOYBOY

[QUOTE=Jad Hinto;53085255]Hi, polyamours person in a mongamous relationship here: Y'all full of shit lmao. I've been in open relationships, trios, and plain old closed two people. And I've had the same level of happiness in my life.[/QUOTE] Doesn't this come in a similar form every time disciplining a child in an article gets brought up, was't it called survivor bias?

So many people act like cucking stuff is a 24/7 thing; that you and your s/o have no other kinds of a normal life. It's a sex thing. You're not gonna just be hanging out with your wife's bull (unless he's a friend) on a daily basis. Every once in a while you do shit, go home, and it's done. Sure, some people go more in-depth, but that's with any fetish that can be.

[QUOTE=RedBaronFlyer;53085280]Doesn't this come in a similar form every time disciplining a child in an article gets brought up, was't it called survivor bias?[/QUOTE] are you actually trying to equate beating children with being in a consensual open relationship???