Two Men Charged with Rape and Kidnapping of Missing Woman with Autism - Sensationalist Headlines

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[QUOTE=Paige;52143125]Do you... do you genuinely think this? That a rape could've been easily prevented if they weren't illegals and that we somehow have "control" over citizens(aka non illegals)? [/quote] Considering this is actually relevant to the news material and not just a discussion on my posting habits, I will continue to reply here. Well in this case if the illegal immigrant wasn't in the country, then yes, this situation would have been prevented. That doesn't mean that she is no lesser predisposed to others who might do harm. [quote] You do realize she could've just as easily been raped by Micheal the US citizen, right? What makes you think the fact they are illegals has anything to do with the fact that she was raped? Why do illegals "putting stress on" public services have anything to do with this? You're intentionally changing the course of the conversation to further this anti-immigration stance.[/quote] Of-course I realize this. I also realize that letting in millions of people with no accountability by border security can let in people with criminal backgrounds, incompatible values, or increase the risk for damages due to the lack of controls in place. This is not the majority of illegal immigrants who actually contribute to our system and way of life, but it is a problem to be discussed and can be prevented. [quote] A woman was raped, Tudd. She was held against her will for 3 days after her mental state was taken advantage of and raped. A US citizen could have done this, an illegal could have done this, literally anybody could have done this. The fact that one of them was an illegal resident of the US has literally nothing to do with the crime committed. The only reason it's even brought up by you and by the article is to "subtly" and disingenuously imply that illegals are predispositioned to violent crime. To scare people. [/QUOTE] In either situation of who did it is horrible, but one was completely preventable from happening in the first place. That doesn't make the population at large of illegal immigrants more predisposed to rape necessarily and that is an assumption you have of my beliefs.

I agree with Tudd. If we didn't have any illegal immigrants in this country, events like this wouldn't happen. However, the other guy wasn't an illegal immigrant, meaning that in order to make sure that events like this don't happen, we should remove [I]everybody[/I] from the country.

[QUOTE=Tudd;52143146]Considering this is actually relevant to the news material and not just a discussion on my posting habits, I will continue to reply here. Well in this case if the illegal immigrant wasn't in the country, then yes, this situation would have been prevented. [/QUOTE] This is a pretty bold claim you're making considering the other dude who assaulted her appears to be a citizen. [editline]23rd April 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Reds;52143157]I agree with Tudd. If we didn't have any illegal immigrants in this country, events like this wouldn't happen. However, the other guy wasn't an illegal immigrant, meaning that in order to make sure that events like this don't happen, we should remove [I]everybody[/I] from the country.[/QUOTE] Make America Completely Empty #MACE

[QUOTE=Lambeth;52143162]This is a pretty bold claim you're making considering the other dude who assaulted her appears to be a citizen.[/QUOTE] True, I have no idea if the second guy would have ever done the same or not considering he partook. No information on instigation or much details on such specifics of the relation they had with the victim. So I will retract my statement as this situation "would have been prevented" to something could have been done to maybe prevent it. Either way, the guy shouldn't have ever been in the country, especially if he was willing to rape someone. That is something border securities can help lower the chances of when admitting immigrants by looking at criminal history on a person. Which again is something we have no details on about this person at the time, but it is a simple fact that controlling borders has this safeguard in place.

[QUOTE=Lambeth;52143162]This is a pretty bold claim you're making considering the other dude who assaulted her appears to be a citizen.[/QUOTE] Even more so considering that at this point we're arguing hypotheticals. We might as well be saying "yea but a meteor COULD have striked the house and saved her!" [editline]24th April 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Tudd;52143176] Either way, the guy shouldn't have ever been in the country, especially if he was willing to rape someone. That is something border securities can help lower the chances of when admitting immigrants by looking at criminal history on a person. Which again is something we have no details on about this person at the time, but it is a simple fact that controlling borders has this safeguard in place.[/QUOTE] First of all: Why do you assume border security has the ability to determine a rapist? Especially if someone has no criminal past? They don't. The person being illegal had nothing to do with the rape, which leads me to my second point: why are you still pushing the angle that someone being an illegal citizen had something to do with the rape? why is this still about illegals to you?

[QUOTE=Lambeth;52143162]Make America Completely Empty #MACE[/QUOTE] Egalitarian genocide, I could get behind this.

[QUOTE=Tudd;52143004] [B]But you know, I have different interests and get my news referenced from other places than the typical and I acknowledge that. [/B]People can discount my threads however much they want and that is fine too even if the news is undoubtedly real... Probably wouldn't have popped up on the site that referenced the new's story to begin with, and that site is truly agenda pushing, so in a way sure. [/QUOTE] You've literally admitted that you get news from Breitbart and Infowars. Following these stories to other local sources doesn't invalidate the fact you're trying to push an agenda. Don't hide behind "alternative news sources" as if that's a real thing. The second part of this post is especially damning. [QUOTE]But actually I have posted articles on rape before with no political motivation [url=https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1557579&highlight=]here[/url].[/QUOTE] Here's where you posted about "false-flag" arson with no political motivation: [URL="https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1559739"]https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1559739[/URL] Here's where you posted about anti-white crime with no political motivation: [URL="https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1559477"]https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1559477[/URL] Here's where you posted about immigrant Muslim schoolchildren with no political motivation: [URL="https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1556894"]https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1556894 [/URL] [QUOTE][B]Either way, the story is still true that I posted. I think the problem is that it was me who posted it for you though, and I rather just post it and everyone know what my bias is.[/B][/QUOTE] So do you have a bias in posting this kind of stuff or not? You deny it on one hand and then say that you have a bias that everyone knows. If you're gonna be a racist, don't be a wishy-washy hypocritical one. [QUOTE]I just think it is silly on some of the reactions that have to repeat on here. Especially when I post quite regularly on actual Nazi movements because that is one of my interests, and [B] I don't get any grand applause for posting news contrary to what a Trump zealot might wanna post. [/B][/QUOTE] Man posts normal, self-identified """good""" news article, expects applause. More at 11. You don't get special treatment for posting about Nazi movements. That's normal news and you're not a hero for posting it. [QUOTE] Well in my opinion[B] illegal immigrants shouldn't be allowed to stay at al[/B]l. The only reason we have to have a measure of allowing some to stay is because the issue is so well-ingrained to our economy and some are [B]undoubtedly a positive on our system now.[/B][/QUOTE] [URL="https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-03-01/study-undocumented-immigrants-pay-billions-in-taxes"]https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-03-01/study-undocumented-immigrants-pay-billions-in-taxes[/URL] [URL="https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2016/09/undocumented-immigrants-and-taxes/499604/"]https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2016/09/undocumented-immigrants-and-taxes/499604/[/URL] [URL="https://news.vice.com/article/unauthorized-immigrants-paid-100-billion-into-social-security-over-last-decade"]https://news.vice.com/article/unauthorized-immigrants-paid-100-billion-into-social-security-over-last-decade[/URL] [URL="http://truth-out.org/buzzflash/commentary/undocumented-immigrants-pay-billions-in-taxes-and-social-security"]http://truth-out.org/buzzflash/commentary/undocumented-immigrants-pay-billions-in-taxes-and-social-security[/URL] [URL="http://www.encyclopedia.com/humanities/applied-and-social-sciences-magazines/illegal-immigrants-are-bolstering-social-security-billions"]http://www.encyclopedia.com/humanities/applied-and-social-sciences-magazines/illegal-immigrants-are-bolstering-social-security-billions[/URL] [URL="https://www.thenation.com/article/undocumented-immigrants-contribute-over-11-billion-to-our-economy-each-year/"]https://www.thenation.com/article/undocumented-immigrants-contribute-over-11-billion-to-our-economy-each-year/[/URL] Literally thirty seconds spent on Google. Christ. [editline]April 24 2017[/editline] Also, what kind of opinion is that to have?? "Illegal immigrants should all be deported but they [B]undoubtedly[/B] do good things." If they're a positive, they're a positive, no matter how they got here. If they benefit [U]our economy[/U] and [U]our social security futures[/U], then why would you want to deport them? If they benefit us at all why would you want to kick them out?

[QUOTE=TheLonelyDonu;52143794]You've literally admitted that you get news from Breitbart and Infowars. Following these stories to other local sources doesn't invalidate the fact you're trying to push an agenda. Don't hide behind "alternative news sources" as if that's a real thing. The second part of this post is especially damning.[/quote] Actually I don't go onto either of those websites for news to post on here. Though I am sure that alot of people on here get their news referenced from other places aswell with agendas that you could spot. It is a reality of the situation and to be expected in this increasingly politicized environment. Doesn't make any of the news fake, but you should be aware of it. [quote] Here's where you posted about "false-flag" arson with no political motivation: [URL="https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1559739"]https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1559739[/URL] Here's where you posted about anti-white crime with no political motivation: [URL="https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1559477"]https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1559477[/URL] Here's where you posted about immigrant Muslim schoolchildren with no political motivation: [URL="https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1556894"]https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1556894 [/URL][/quote] And all of those stories were accurately reported despite the political motivation you are attributing. Are you saying the news should be discounted because I posted it? [quote] So do you have a bias in posting this kind of stuff or not? You deny it on one hand and then say that you have a bias that everyone knows. If you're gonna be a racist, don't be a wishy-washy hypocritical one.[/quote] I undoubtedly have a bias. Though I am not a racist and have never advocated to hate anyone based on their skin color. [quote] Man posts normal, self-identified """good""" news article, expects applause. More at 11. You don't get special treatment for posting about Nazi movements. That's normal news and you're not a hero for posting it.[/quote] Maybe if you see Nazis everywhere it is normal news to you. :v: But seriously? I actually post on real neo-Nazi movements, not these pseudo ones like the Alt-right that are alot of the time all over the place in their beliefs or seriousness, or just white nationalists. Finding articles based on actual Nazis is a rarity nowadays. [quote] [URL="https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-03-01/study-undocumented-immigrants-pay-billions-in-taxes"]https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-03-01/study-undocumented-immigrants-pay-billions-in-taxes[/URL] [URL="https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2016/09/undocumented-immigrants-and-taxes/499604/"]https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2016/09/undocumented-immigrants-and-taxes/499604/[/URL] [URL="https://news.vice.com/article/unauthorized-immigrants-paid-100-billion-into-social-security-over-last-decade"]https://news.vice.com/article/unauthorized-immigrants-paid-100-billion-into-social-security-over-last-decade[/URL] [URL="http://truth-out.org/buzzflash/commentary/undocumented-immigrants-pay-billions-in-taxes-and-social-security"]http://truth-out.org/buzzflash/commentary/undocumented-immigrants-pay-billions-in-taxes-and-social-security[/URL] [URL="http://www.encyclopedia.com/humanities/applied-and-social-sciences-magazines/illegal-immigrants-are-bolstering-social-security-billions"]http://www.encyclopedia.com/humanities/applied-and-social-sciences-magazines/illegal-immigrants-are-bolstering-social-security-billions[/URL] [URL="https://www.thenation.com/article/undocumented-immigrants-contribute-over-11-billion-to-our-economy-each-year/"]https://www.thenation.com/article/undocumented-immigrants-contribute-over-11-billion-to-our-economy-each-year/[/URL] Literally thirty seconds spent on Google. Christ. [editline]April 24 2017[/editline] Also, what kind of opinion is that to have?? "Illegal immigrants should all be deported but they [B]undoubtedly[/B] do good things." If they're a positive, they're a positive, no matter how they got here. If they benefit [U]our economy[/U] and [U]our social security futures[/U], then why would you want to deport them? If they benefit us at all why would you want to kick them out?[/QUOTE] You confuse the idea that just because there is positive side, that must make the process they come in allowed or should be ignored. In reality I support legal immigration and even a more relaxed process for some areas in alot of cases. Because you are willingly ignoring that there is (a lot of the time incalculable) downsides to just letting in millions of people. Like not being able to check [url=http://www.reuters.com/article/us-colorado-immigration-idUSKBN161077]criminal[/url] [url=http://www.wwltv.com/news/local/ice-arrests-84-people-during-3-day-sweep-of-pacific-northwest/427174366]histories[/url], public services being stressed (local classrooms being [url=http://www.politifact.com/georgia/statements/2011/feb/28/don-balfour/lawmaker-says-illegal-immigrant-students-takes-cla/]full[/url], , legal immigrants getting shafted for effectively the same thing, and completely screwing over local economies by cutting [url=http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/09/trump-clinton-immigration-economy-unemployment-jobs-214216]wages[/url] down or encouraging malpractice with a lack of documentation. Side note: I want people to know that out of the left-skewed sources you posted. I tried to respond with more centrist and moderate news sources cause I could easily bring a flood of conservative think tank studies to match what you just mostly posted. Only the last source is a opinion article by an expert and I think he accurately tells the situation. Any nation state that is sensible wouldn't make illegal immigration completely an amnesty deal as the positives gained can be done legally, officially, and with far more checks to prevent the problems I listed before. What you are suggesting we do is just allow open borders, which is hilariously ignorant to a host of issues that it would mount. And a fun video that shows how unrealistic open borders are. [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6y4jrxRL808[/media]

[QUOTE=Mister Sandman;52142560]So we're not allowed to point out when a user is blatantly only posting threads to push a political agenda?[/QUOTE] We can, this isn't the place for it though

[QUOTE=TheLonelyDonu;52143794]Also, what kind of opinion is that to have?? "Illegal immigrants should all be deported but they [B]undoubtedly[/B] do good things." If they're a positive, they're a positive, no matter how they got here. If they benefit [U]our economy[/U] and [U]our social security futures[/U], then why would you want to deport them? If they benefit us at all why would you want to kick them out?[/QUOTE] i'd rather they become actual citizens and reap the full benefits of the tax money they pay than quite literally exploit them for tax purposes as you are currently advocating [editline]24th April 2017[/editline] the positives of illegal immigration people always bring up is "they do the work we don't want to" and "they pay into taxes but don't receive any of the benefits, meaning more tax money for us". seems pretty fucked up and kind of implying that we keep them around because they're a useful slave caste

[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;52144700]i'd rather they become actual citizens and reap the full benefits of the tax money they pay than quite literally exploit them for tax purposes as you are currently advocating [editline]24th April 2017[/editline] the positives of illegal immigration people always bring up is "they do the work we don't want to" and "they pay into taxes but don't receive any of the benefits, meaning more tax money for us". seems pretty fucked up and kind of implying that we keep them around because they're a useful slave caste[/QUOTE] I'ld hafta really think hard about it on how, but my gut tells me that somehow effects us negatively. on top of it being a messed up thing

[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;52144700]i'd rather they become actual citizens and reap the full benefits of the tax money they pay than quite literally exploit them for tax purposes as you are currently advocating [editline]24th April 2017[/editline] the positives of illegal immigration people always bring up is "they do the work we don't want to" and "they pay into taxes but don't receive any of the benefits, meaning more tax money for us". seems pretty fucked up and kind of implying that we keep them around because they're a useful slave caste[/QUOTE] I completely agree with this.

[QUOTE=Trebgarta;52145215]Would you agree for loosening of USA immigration policy to have them legal then?[/QUOTE] I already mentioned this in a previous post and yes. Even Donald Trump has mentioned this.

[QUOTE=Tudd;52145221]I already mentioned this in a previous post and yes. Even Donald Trump has mentioned this.[/QUOTE] has he really? where?

[QUOTE=Lambeth;52145323]has he really? where?[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/feb/28/trump-open-legal-status-illegal-immigrants-report/[/url] [url]http://www.newsweek.com/who-knew-trump-favors-amnesty-undocumented-immigrants-395512[/url] [quote]Actually, for those who were paying attention, Trump’s heart has always been soft on immigration — not just for dreamers but for most illegal immigrants. During the presidential campaign, Trump repeatedly said that he wanted to find a way for the vast majority of illegal immigrants (the “good ones,” as he called them) to get right with the law and secure legal status. The mainstream media ignored this, because this did not fit with the media’s narrative of a heartless Trump who wanted to break up families and send all 11 million illegal immigrants permanently back to their countries of origin. Don’t believe me? Let’s review what Trump actually said. In a July 2015 interview with Sean Hannity, Trump declared: “Some of these [illegal immigrants] are fantastic people. I’ve been to the border. I was there a few days ago. I met some people. These are fantastic people, and they have great reputations within their community. . . . The bad ones, they’re gone. They never come back. They’ll never get back into this country. But, the good ones, of which there are many, I want to expedite it so they can come back in legally.” When he was pressed in an interview by CNN’s Dana Bash about the dreamers, he said: “I actually have a big heart. Something that nobody knows. A lot of people don’t understand that. But the dreamers, it’s a tough situation. We’re going to do something. . . . I would get people out and then have an expedited way of getting them back into the country so they can be legal. . . . A lot of these people are helping us . . . and sometimes it’s jobs a citizen of the United States doesn’t even want to do. . . . I want to move them out. I want to move them back in and let them be legal.” Indeed, his son Eric expressed frustration at the media’s inability to get this: “The point isn’t just deporting them, it’s deporting them and letting them back in legally. He’s been so clear about that and I know the liberal media wants to misconstrue it, but it’s deporting them and letting them back legally.” As I have pointed out, what Trump is describing here is a policy called “touchback.” Championed by then-Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison (R-Tex.) in 2007, the idea is that illegal immigrants must return briefly to their countries of origin, where they can apply for a special visa that would allow them to reenter the United States in an expedited manner and work here indefinitely. The policy was endorsed by none other than the New York Times, which declared in a 2007 editorial that “it’s not ideal, but if a touchback provision is manageable and reassures people that illegal immigrants are indeed going to the back of the line, then it will be defensible.”[/quote] [url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/trump-has-always-had-a-soft-heart-for-illegal-immigrants/2016/12/12/e68f0544-c083-11e6-897f-918837dae0ae_story.html[/url] [editline]24th April 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Trebgarta;52145479][url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_policy_of_Donald_Trump#Other_proposals[/url] Is this inaccurate?[/QUOTE] To be fair that isn't really going into how to handle illegal immigration and more of a seperate topic of how many total immigrants we should allow in per year.

[QUOTE=Tudd;52142981]More so this situation was completely preventable considering the person was in the country illegally to begin with.[/QUOTE] This is stupid as fuck, guess what if you randomly deport half of the American population you'll also get half as many rapes, it's basic statistics. If you want to argue that immigration increases the likelihood of rape occuring, then bring up stats that show that. Cherry picking cases doesn't show jack shit. [editline]25th April 2017[/editline] "This just in, a man who was later determined to be involved in heavy tax fraud raped a woman. This wouldn't have happened if the IRS had more resources at its disposal and put him behind bars before he could commit this hideous crime on this poor woman. We can logically conclude from this that increasing funding for the IRS is necessary if we want to prevent this type of thing from happening in the future."

[QUOTE=Tudd;52142740]Just wanted to share it as a tragic story and people might see that illegal immigration does have real consequences.[/QUOTE] I genuinely don't understand why you're allowed, rewarded even, for shitting up the forums every single time you post a thread. Your threads invariably end up derailed into a political shitshow, usually by yourself, because you want to push these fucking insane horseshit ideas. You know who also rapes people? Legal immigrants. National born citizens. Patriotism-oozing war veterans. Ivy-league university graduates. Fucking everyone. Every single fucking demographic has raped someone. Most likely, your favorite fucking president has. Stop fucking pushing this virtually unveiled racist bullshit onto the forums. No one is fucking buying it. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Derailing/ this isn't a Tudd thread" - UncleJimmema))[/highlight]

Gotta love how every thread turns into a Tudd hate thread instead of you know, talking about the fucking article, some poor woman got raped and all you clowns are worried about is who posted it, just because Tudd posted it it doesn't make it any less real. Stop acting like sjws just because its news you dont like.

[QUOTE=orcywoo6;52147878]Gotta love how every thread turns into a Tudd hate thread instead of you know, talking about the fucking article, some poor woman got raped and all you clowns are worried about is who posted it, just because Tudd posted it it doesn't make it any less real. Stop acting like sjws just because its news you dont like.[/QUOTE] He admitted himself that he posted this piece of news to "bring attention to the consequences of illegal immigration". This is the bullshit people are fed up with. You're bothered by people talking about Tudd, but not by him shamelessly using this woman's suffering to push his dumb agenda using nonsensical arguments?

[QUOTE=_Axel;52147884]He admitted himself that he posted this piece of news to "bring attention to the consequences of illegal immigration". This is the bullshit people are fed up with. You're bothered by people talking about Tudd, but not by him shamelessly using this woman's suffering to push his dumb agenda using nonsensical arguments?[/QUOTE] I could say the same thing about people shamelessly disregarding the woman's suffering just to post an epic zinger at Tudd just because he has different beliefs they don't agree with.

[QUOTE=orcywoo6;52147889]I could say the same thing about people shamelessly disregarding the woman's suffering just to post an epic zinger at Tudd just because he has different beliefs they don't agree with.[/QUOTE] Who is disregarding her suffering? Has anyone here said her suffering doesn't matter? Why call them out when they're doing the exact same thing you're doing?

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[QUOTE=orcywoo6;52147889]I could say the same thing about people shamelessly disregarding the woman's suffering just to post an epic zinger at Tudd just because he has different beliefs they don't agree with.[/QUOTE] you write for the daily mail right? if not you should!

[QUOTE=orcywoo6;52147889]I could say the same thing about people shamelessly disregarding the woman's suffering just to post an epic zinger at Tudd just because he has different beliefs they don't agree with.[/QUOTE] I could give two shits about his beliefs because he has the right to have his own regardless if I believe in them or not. He's getting called out on it because he's using someones terrible experience to push a narrative. He's welcome to do whatever he wants as long as he does not break the rules, but people will react accordingly.

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RIP Thread Point being this is fucked up and I hope justice is served.

[QUOTE=Tudd;52142981]More so this situation was completely preventable considering the person was in the country illegally to begin with.[/QUOTE] People that are in the country illegally can also get raped.