Germans only consider 5 places safe to travel to (and one is Germany) - Sensationalist Headlines

[QUOTE=Lime-alicious;52990119]Actually, my logic is that my family is safer in places where they're less likely to be victims. Like in a developed country.[/QUOTE] Here we go, we're down to the nationalist "America is a 3rd world country hurrdurr" tripe. I should have seen this coming. Get your head out of your ass lmao

[QUOTE=Revenge282;52990122]I hope that you're being obtuse for arguments sake, and not actually because that's what you believe.[/QUOTE] I was just looking for a more convincing elaboration. Which we got: [QUOTE=Grenadiac;52990111]Yes, the vast majority of Americans have never been shot in the face. The reason for that is because shootings are statistically negligible outside of hotspots facing extreme poverty like Detroit. [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Lime-alicious;52990098]Okay you live in America, so tell me all about how shooting victims "just bring it upon themselves," (to paraphrase). Also, I didn't say there's no violent crime in my country. I'm just saying I have less of a chance of getting shot in the face here than I do there.[/QUOTE] Victims of terrorist attacks do nothing to bring it upon themselves. Terror attacks make up an extremely small percentage of violent deaths in the United States. The majority, by a large margin of people who are killed by guns in the US are involved in illicit activity or in close proximity to it. States like New Hampshire have a lower murder rate than Sweden and Finland for example. Stay out of large urban ghetto areas, which you would have no reason to go to anyways, and don't buy or sell illegal drugs and you'll be just fine traveling or living in the US.

[QUOTE=Lime-alicious;52990086]This is plain naive. I don't think everybody who was gunned down at the Las Vegas shooting did anything along the lines of "seek out or inflame people who might be out for an excuse to hurt somebody".[/QUOTE] Oh, Christ. If this is really your opinion, I completely agree with you. You really shouldn't come here if you think its anywhere near maybe likely that you're gonna be shot or killed or whatever. Last thing we need to do is import hysterical and paranoid people when we already have enough here. :v: :v:

[QUOTE=evilweazel;52990161]Oh, Christ. If this is really your opinion, I completely agree with you. You really shouldn't come here if you think its anywhere near maybe likely that you're gonna be shot or killed or whatever. Last thing we need to do is import hysterical and paranoid people when we already have enough here. :v: :v:[/QUOTE] I seriously wonder how these people think the United States functions from day to day. If it was even half as violent and dangerous as they think it is here, there'd be no rule of law.

[QUOTE=Grenadiac;52990165]I seriously wonder how these people think the United States functions from day to day. If it was even half as violent and dangerous as they think it is here, there'd be no rule of law.[/QUOTE] There isn't actually I just shot my boss because I wanted a raise AND IT WORKED [editline]19th December 2017[/editline] Im the boss now [editline]19th December 2017[/editline] :terrists:

[QUOTE=Lime-alicious;52990086]This is plain naive. I don't think everybody who was gunned down at the Las Vegas shooting did anything along the lines of "seek out or inflame people who might be out for an excuse to hurt somebody".[/QUOTE] This is as dumb as an American saying they won't go to Europe because they don't want to get run over by a truck, beheaded by a refugee, or shot in at a music venue. [editline]19th December 2017[/editline] Aka it's not based in reality, it's offensive to the people who live there, and the odds of it happening are so miniscule you probably have a better chance of dying in a car accident on your way to the airport than you ever do from dying as a tourist.

[QUOTE=gokiyono;52988938]Maybe the media ought to report less on the scary brown people, just saying[/QUOTE] Is that what we're calling him now?

I am American and I can confirm that everyone who walks down the street looks like Swiss cheese because of a few arguments

[QUOTE=Lime-alicious;52989624]Yeah but you only need to win that lottery once and then you're dead, for eternity. So yeah unless the country is as statistically as safe as my own country, I'm not risking it. Especially since tourist hotspots are huge targets for terrorism. Might be irrational, might be "letting terrorism win," but I'd rather be irrational than dead.[/QUOTE] i'm glad i'm not as much of an uninformed pussy as you are [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Flaming" - OvB))[/highlight]

[QUOTE=Mister Sandman;52989230]Maybe if you're a muslim in the south then I'd be worried about people being uncomfortable around you or harassment. The south sucks anyway.[/QUOTE] Even then this will likely occur only in the most rural areas. Most places you'll be fine. [editline]19th December 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Lime-alicious;52989624]Yeah but you only need to win that lottery once and then you're dead, for eternity. So yeah unless the country is as statistically as safe as my own country, I'm not risking it. Especially since tourist hotspots are huge targets for terrorism. Might be irrational, might be "letting terrorism win," but I'd rather be irrational than dead.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Lime-alicious;52990098]Okay you live in America, so tell me all about how shooting victims "just bring it upon themselves," (to paraphrase). Also, I didn't say there's no violent crime in my country. I'm just saying I have less of a chance of getting shot in the face here than I do there.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Lime-alicious;52990119]Actually, my logic is that my family is safer in places where they're less likely to be victims. Like in a developed country.[/QUOTE] *walks down the street in random town in the US* Person: Hi there how are you today? Lime-alicious: PLEASE DONT HURT ME RRRREEEEEE!!!!

[QUOTE=Bordellimies;52989279]What the hell, why do 47% of the people in the study find Scandinavia unsafe? Literally nothing ever happens in Finland, and I doubt too much happens in any of the actual Scandi countries either. I'd accept if they found Scandinavia too boring to visit, but unsafe?[/QUOTE] It's comfortable, not safe. I would feel perfectly safe travelling to Japan but I wouldn't be comfortable there, what with being 100% unable to read the signs, understand the locals, make heads-or-tails of the currency, et-al.

[QUOTE=Grenadiac;52990125]Here we go, we're down to the nationalist "America is a 3rd world country hurrdurr" tripe. I should have seen this coming. Get your head out of your ass lmao[/QUOTE] It's a flawed democracy and a developing nation, with 10x more firearm related deaths than the rest of the world. [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_Index[/url] [url]https://www.rt.com/usa/385659-temin-vanishing-middle-class/[/url] [t]https://cbsnews3.cbsistatic.com/hub/i/2016/02/03/7af71f32-9877-43e3-870d-3d7f557e0820/bbb4b6d9775e599e46ac4c0fc5834558/gun-death-rates-chart.jpg[/t] I'm not being nationalist, these are just the facts. Sorry if it offends you but I wouldn't feel safe traveling to or living in the states these days.

[QUOTE=Lime-alicious;52990808]It's a flawed democracy and a developing nation, with 10x more firearm related deaths than the rest of the world. [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_Index[/url] [url]https://www.rt.com/usa/385659-temin-vanishing-middle-class/[/url] [t]https://cbsnews3.cbsistatic.com/hub/i/2016/02/03/7af71f32-9877-43e3-870d-3d7f557e0820/bbb4b6d9775e599e46ac4c0fc5834558/gun-death-rates-chart.jpg[/t] I'm not being nationalist, these are just the facts. Sorry if it offends you but I wouldn't feel safe traveling to or living in the states these days.[/QUOTE] Getting your opinions from RT explains every post here so far, actually. I think I'll trust the HDI over RT and one professor looking to hawk his book when it comes to this, thanks. I prefer stats to proganda most of the time, myself. [url]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Development_Index[/url] [editline]19th December 2017[/editline] Ahaha. And your highly scientific "democracy index" puts us higher than despotic regimes such as, uh...... France, Belgium, Estonia, Czech Republic.... We're actually an incredibly, vanishingly small number off of being a """"""full democracy"""". Like a hundreth or two of a point. In this very, very scientific study comprising... 60 questions. Call me a settler, but I think we're fine, myself.

Let's address a thing or two with this right here, no 'feelings' and just facts [QUOTE=Lime-alicious;52990808]It's a flawed democracy[/QUOTE] As it stands right now our political climate is pretty rough but this is something that we can change and we are working on it. [QUOTE=Lime-alicious;52990808]a developing nation[/QUOTE] Do you care to cite why you believe this? Because unless you can back this up you are absolutely false. We're not perfect but we are still better off in multiple areas compared to places like India, an actual developing country. [QUOTE=Lime-alicious;52990808][URL]https://www.rt.com/usa/385659-temin-vanishing-middle-class/[/URL][/QUOTE] A Russian propaganda agency is obviously the choice in sources when arguing against the states. [QUOTE=Lime-alicious;52990808] with 10x more firearm related deaths [U][I][B]than the rest of the world.[/B][/I][/U] [t]https://cbsnews3.cbsistatic.com/hub/i/2016/02/03/7af71f32-9877-43e3-870d-3d7f557e0820/bbb4b6d9775e599e46ac4c0fc5834558/gun-death-rates-chart.jpg[/t][/QUOTE] Besides our pop being in the World's top 3, I guess these countries don't count right? [IMG]https://i.imgur.com/Ps8kHoM.png[/IMG] Could this be worked on? Hell yeah it can but claiming that it's the worst in the world is once again false. [QUOTE=Lime-alicious;52990808]I'm not being nationalist, these are just the facts. Sorry if it offends you but I wouldn't feel safe traveling to or living in the states these days.[/QUOTE] Sure enough you are not, but you're being pretty stupid and paranoid by taking a few bad spots and writing off the entire country for it. You can do whatever you want of course. We still have the right to call you out if your line of reasoning is peanut gallery level quality.

[QUOTE=paindoc;52989084]Unless you're a minority you're fine. Even then, you might get wiggle room for being a foreigner and people will be nice purely for that. So long as you don't look like what they think a Muslim looks like, which includes people like Sikhs That or stick to major cities, most of which are islands of liberalism.[/QUOTE] This is as far from reality as you can get. Unless you happen to roll the retard lottery, there will not be a single person who approaches you just because you're a certain religion or ethnicity. People are way too busy worrying about their own lives to give a shit about something so mundane and stupid. Especially people on the street. That being said, you should try to only walk the streets during the day, and preferably with another person. The crime rates for certain parts of town can be pretty high, and night time is one of the worst times you could be out and about alone, unless you're in a part that's regularly populated (i.e. nightclubs or downtown). This site gives you a gradient rating to different parts of a city, which should help with knowing where to go. [url]https://www.neighborhoodscout.com[/url]

[QUOTE=Lime-alicious;52990808]It's a flawed democracy and a developing nation, with 10x more firearm related deaths than the rest of the world. [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_Index[/url] [url]https://www.rt.com/usa/385659-temin-vanishing-middle-class/[/url] [t]https://cbsnews3.cbsistatic.com/hub/i/2016/02/03/7af71f32-9877-43e3-870d-3d7f557e0820/bbb4b6d9775e599e46ac4c0fc5834558/gun-death-rates-chart.jpg[/t] I'm not being nationalist, these are just the facts. Sorry if it offends you but I wouldn't feel safe traveling to or living in the states these days.[/QUOTE] The United States is not a developing nation by any real definition of the word no matter how much you want it to be. [editline]19th December 2017[/editline] Having lived in both the US and Canada I can say I've felt pretty much equally safe in both counties.

[QUOTE=Michael haxz;52990856]Besides our pop being in the World's top 3, I guess these countries don't count right? [IMG]https://i.imgur.com/Ps8kHoM.png[/IMG] Could this be worked on? Hell yeah it can but claiming that it's the worst in the world is once again false.[/QUOTE] I guess I see what you're trying to say but I wouldn't be proud to put my country on the same footing as any of those regarding homicide rates.

[QUOTE=_Axel;52990965]I guess I see what you're trying to say but I wouldn't be proud to put my country on the same footing as any of those regarding homicide rates.[/QUOTE] We're actually nowhere near them in terms of overall homicide rates. The US is 94th for homicide rate. Overall, we're higher than most European countries, sure, but when you exclude certain ridiculously dangerous hotspots like Flint, which certainly cannot be said to represent all of the country, we end up with a much lower homicide rate than much of Europe. It isn't a coincidence that those hotspots are in deep poverty, with local governments shot through with corruption, school systems that don't work, completely broken justice systems, etc... Taking more than a cursory look at US crime statistics paints a clear picture of the source of our problems.

[QUOTE=_Axel;52990965]I guess I see what you're trying to say but I wouldn't be proud to put my country on the same footing as any of those regarding homicide rates.[/QUOTE] A homicide rate of 3.5 people per 100,000 is a LOT different from 20 people per 100,000, and brazil is only 3 steps above the US. This is a really misleading list when pretty much all the countries above the US are either war torn or exceptionally poor, much more so than a 'western' country. Not to mention the US spans at least a third of the globe. Crime rates in cities are always gonna be higher than a rural area, but they can drop drastically from place to place, i.e from a rust belt city like Philly or Chicago, to a southern one like Phoenix or Dallas.

I feel like you should look at rates on a state by state basis. The murder rate for California is not going to be there same as Utah, so if you're going on vacation in Utah you should look at that instead of the whole country. We have states here that are the size of European countries yet we always look at the US as a whole. The states are all different in how they're policed and legislated. Like, would you let a terror attack in Germany stop you from going to France? Probably not. Why should a shooting in Vegas or a gang war in the Bronx stop you from going to Key West.

[QUOTE=Grenadiac;52990978]Overall, we're higher than most European countries, sure, but when you exclude certain ridiculously dangerous hotspots like Flint, which certainly cannot be said to represent all of the country, we end up with a much lower homicide rate than much of Europe.[/QUOTE] What if you remove the most dangerous hotspots from Europe as well? That's a kinda weird claim you're making and I'm not sure where you got it from. What is "much of Europe"?

[QUOTE=_Axel;52991001]What if you remove the most dangerous hotspots from Europe as well? That's a kinda weird claim you're making and I'm not sure where you got it from. What is "much of Europe"?[/QUOTE] Eliminating extreme data from statistics isn't an uncommon thing to do, so it'd be perfectly fair to do it in European statistics too. What I'm saying is the US has a highly inflated homicide rate stemming from a few places that are really far down the hole. For example, Detroit's homicide rate is [B]43.5 per 100,000[/B], compared to the national average of 4.88 per 100,000. This is such an insane outlier you would naturally remove it from your averages if you were trying to get a picture of [I]average America[/I]. If you were getting the average weight of a group of 1000 people and most were between 100-200 pounds, you could trim weight values that were badly skewing statistics in a way that was unrepresentative of the whole. Detroit's homicide rate is almost 9 times higher than the American national average. Someone (or several someones, really) weighing 1,350 pounds (9 times higher than an assumed average of 150 pounds) could really fuck up your statistics. Even with all of that said, your odds of getting murdered on the street in Detroit are really low, since most of those homicides are related to gang activity.

An average is an average, if you want to get a good idea of the average person's weight you should probably look at the median instead. I don't see the point in "removing extremes" in averages. You can arbitrarily select a small enough scale so that enough cases become extreme for your numbers become acceptable. That's just data manipulation. Not to mention if you want to "remove extremes" then you should remove areas with low homicide rates as well, shouldn't you? Otherwise that would be like eliminating overweight people from the equation but keeping underweight ones in your average. Besides, who gets to decide what is "too extreme"? That's another threshold you can just play around with until you get the numbers you want. If you want to argue for the removal of extremes then you should have a good justification as well as an actual methodology. Still don't know where you got the "much lower homicide rate than much of Europe" thing from though.

[QUOTE=_Axel;52991023] Besides, who gets to decide what is "too extreme"? That's another threshold you can just play around with until you get the numbers you want. If you want to argue for the removal of extremes then you should have a good justification as well as an actual methodology. Still don't know where you got the "lower homicide rate than much of Europe" thing from though.[/QUOTE] Would you say Colombia and Swaziland have the same environment and living standard as anywhere in the US or Europe?

[QUOTE=_Axel;52991023]An average is an average, if you want to get a good idea of the average person's weight you should probably look at the median instead. I don't see the point in "removing extremes" in averages. You can arbitrarily select a small enough scale so that enough cases become extreme for your numbers become acceptable. That's just data manipulation. Not to mention if you want to "remove extremes" then you should remove areas with low homicide rates as well, shouldn't you? Otherwise that would be like eliminating overweight people from the equation but keeping underweight ones in your average. Besides, who gets to decide what is "too extreme"? That's another threshold you can just play around with until you get the numbers you want. If you want to argue for the removal of extremes then you should have a good justification as well as an actual methodology. Still don't know where you got the "much lower homicide rate than much of Europe" thing from though.[/QUOTE] "Data manipulation" is taking a straight average and claiming it represents one of the largest countries on the planet with over 320,000,000 citizens with more cultures than a pile of old petri dishes. It isn't accurate, it isn't honest, and it isn't fair. As of 2016, New Hampshire's homicide rate is 1.6 per 100,000. Arguing from nationwide statistics is to claim that Detroit's rate of 43.5 per 100,000 has any bearing on one's personal safety in New Hampshire. In other words, it isn't an accurate way to gauge one's safety when traveling the US, unless you are a quantum traveler existing in all cities in all 50 states simultaneously.

[QUOTE=Doozle;52988975]Tbf, I'm pretty scared of visiting the US. All it takes is one wrong move to readjust your pants[/QUOTE] The US isn't that bad. Just make sure you carry a gun with you at all times and don't look anyone in the eye and you'll be fine. Also our food requires you build up an immunity first. Don't go straight to the Big Mac, start with a small burger or some fries first and work your way up slowly to build a tolerance.

[QUOTE=_Axel;52990965]I guess I see what you're trying to say but I wouldn't be proud to put my country on the same footing as any of those regarding homicide rates.[/QUOTE] He was intentionally leaving countries that are worse to push his opinion. I don't like our gun situation stateside more than any other guy but it's very clear that an agenda is being pushed.

[QUOTE=Grenadiac;52991029]"Data manipulation" is taking a straight average and claiming it represents one of the largest countries on the planet with over 320,000,000 citizens with more cultures than a pile of old petri dishes. It isn't accurate, it isn't honest, and it isn't fair.[/QUOTE] It's an average. You gotta take it with a grain of salt like you would the average income for instance. If you want to be more accurate when looking at the specific state you're going to then it's obviously more representative to look up the state's homicide rate instead, the smaller you go the more precise you are. But making your own little cuisine by leaving numbers you don't like out for arbitrary reasons and then claiming [I]this[/I] is the representative rate isn't scientific or methodical, nor is making bold claims like "much lower homicide rates than much of Europe" without backing them up.

[QUOTE=_Axel;52991050]It's an average. You gotta take it with a grain of salt like you would the average income for instance. If you want to be more accurate when looking at the specific state you're going to then it's obviously more representative to look up the state's homicide rate instead, the smaller you go the more precise you are. But making your own little cuisine by leaving numbers you don't like out for arbitrary reasons and then claiming [I]this[/I] is the representative rate isn't scientific or methodical, nor is making bold claims like "much lower homicide rates than much of Europe" without backing them up.[/QUOTE] Averages aren't fucking scientific and we aren't scientists writing a science paper for the science journal. I have been arguing with the guy claiming the US is where tourists go to die and you decided to chip in for his side, so I made a little point about how shit and unuseful statistics are in this context. You can continue this line of discussion if you like but you will be the only one talking.