[QUOTE=Downsider;52000184]Call me crazy, but I don't see the issue in people wanting to protect their IP. I agree it's futile, but why all the hate on protecting media for its creators? If copyright law didn't exist, we'd have a very weak industry.[/QUOTE]
There's nothing wrong with wanting to do it. There just aren't really any good ways to do it unless you want to inconvenience users. Then there's also the fact that sites like Netflix and Spotify are known to drive down piracy
IP itself is actually a pretty flakey concept as to whether it actually is a pareto good for us all. At the very least, having it as strong and as long lasting as it currently is. Copyright used to last like 28 years, now it's your lifetime plus 70.
Really, non-intrusive ways to earn revenue are just the best way. If your model is unsustainable, change it.
[QUOTE=thelurker1234;52000209]IP itself is actually a pretty flakey concept as to whether it actually is a pareto good for us all. At the very least, having it as strong and as long lasting as it currently is. Copyright used to last like 28 years, now it's your lifetime plus 70.
Really, non-intrusive ways to earn revenue are just the best way. If your model is unsustainable, change it.[/QUOTE]
Isn't Disney to blame for that since they refused to put Mickey into public domain?
[QUOTE=Downsider;52000184]Call me crazy, but I don't see the issue in people wanting to protect their IP. I agree it's futile, but why all the hate on protecting media for its creators? If copyright law didn't exist, we'd have a very weak industry.[/QUOTE]
The problem is that copyright law exists, and honestly all DRM does is harm ligitmate users, specially in movies and music, without even getting into the ethical aspect of it.
But really, without talking about DRM itself, the point is that this EME is a closed component of a free standard, what does this mean? this means that if I for example build a media center PC based on a PowerPC architecture I suddenly can't watch netflix at over 360p, not because there is any limitation to my platform, but because the CDMs (the parts that actually do the DRM) are not free and no one can port them to new platform.
If my understanding is correct the encrypted media extensions are just a way for the browser to interact with the CDMs, that part is open, but the DRM itself is not.
[QUOTE=rndgenerator;52000219]Isn't Disney to blame for that since they refused to put Mickey into public domain?[/QUOTE]
That's exactly it, Disney created modern copyright law more or less..
[QUOTE=eirexe;52000392]The problem is that copyright law exists, and honestly all DRM does is harm ligitmate users, specially in movies and music, without even getting into the ethical aspect of it.
But really, without talking about DRM itself, the point is that this EME is a closed component of a free standard, what does this mean? this means that if I for example build a media center PC based on a PowerPC architecture I suddenly can't watch netflix at over 360p, not because there is any limitation to my platform, but because the CDMs (the parts that actually do the DRM) are not free and no one can port them to new platform.
If my understanding is correct the encrypted media extensions are just a way for the browser to interact with the CDMs, that part is open, but the DRM itself is not.[/QUOTE]
DRM has literally never harmed me or anyone I know in the last 5 years. Software used to suck, but it's better now. Same thing with DRM.
There's nothing wrong with DRM being closed either. If they want to restrict their market, it's their choice as creators and distributors. They made it, they own it, they can make it only play on toasters if they want.
[QUOTE=eirexe;52000392]The problem is that copyright law exists, and honestly all DRM does is harm ligitmate users, specially in movies and music, without even getting into the ethical aspect of it.
But really, without talking about DRM itself, the point is that this EME is a closed component of a free standard, what does this mean? this means that if I for example build a media center PC based on a PowerPC architecture I suddenly can't watch netflix at over 360p, not because there is any limitation to my platform, but because the CDMs (the parts that actually do the DRM) are not free and no one can port them to new platform.
If my understanding is correct the encrypted media extensions are just a way for the browser to interact with the CDMs, that part is open, but the DRM itself is not.[/QUOTE]
This is pretty much it. It allows for an open, standardized way for DRM to interact with a browser. Its not amazingly pro consumer, but its still fucking way better than being forced to use Flash, Silverlight or whatever other shitty proprietary plugin. Its the lesser of the two evils.
[QUOTE=Downsider;52002771]DRM has literally never harmed me or anyone I know in the last 5 years. Software used to suck, but it's better now. Same thing with DRM.
There's nothing wrong with DRM being closed either. If they want to restrict their market, it's their choice as creators and distributors. They made it, they own it, they can make it only play on toasters if they want.[/QUOTE]
I've been blocked from watching stuff because of HDCP before. All because "my cable doesn't support it" which is pretty shitty considering [i]they do[/i]
[QUOTE=Teddybeer;52005737]DRM is currently completely preventing me from watching iZombie season 2, released on DVD and Bluray on Jul 12, 2016. Can't watch those as they are region locked when I import them (the importing itself is grey area).
Apparently now rumored to come out after 05-04-2017.
Yay arbitrarily waiting for fuck all reasons even when you want to pay.
Having 75% less content on Netflix than you is also part of DRM, currently pay 79 cents more than someone in america for that privilege because lovely business tactics say $ = €.[/QUOTE]
You can't blame the lack of content on DRM, that's a completely different issue entirely, that's corporations not giving the right to Netflix to have it outside the US.
[QUOTE=Teddybeer;52005811]Region locking is very much part of DRM.[/QUOTE]
Region locking on physical media, yes.
Region locking because of the lack of rights, no.
[QUOTE=Teddybeer;52005811]Region locking is very much part of DRM.[/QUOTE]
DRM isn't a catch-all phrase for any sort of copyright law. If you buy a DVD in Europe that doesn't work in the US, that's DRM. If you can't watch European programming in the US because nobody in the US holds the rights to broadcast it and the owner isn't licensing it, that's just copyright and has nothing to do with DRM.
DRM might be used to enforce the copyright, but Netflix respecting copyright law isn't DRM.
Wouldn't this DRM be relying on the Browsers to let it work?
[QUOTE=ASIC;52014504]Wouldn't this DRM be relying on the Browsers to let it work?[/QUOTE]
Once it becomes a standard they'll have to implement it or risk losing users when certain webpages don't function properly on their browser. If Google and MS are on board with it, it's gonna happen.
[QUOTE=Downsider;52002771]DRM has literally never harmed me or anyone I know in the last 5 years. Software used to suck, but it's better now. Same thing with DRM.
There's nothing wrong with DRM being closed either. If they want to restrict their market, it's their choice as creators and distributors. They made it, they own it, they can make it only play on toasters if they want.[/QUOTE]
Its wrong when its part of the web standard, which should be fully open
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