[QUOTE=Tudd;52561963]He views people in uniform as an [url=https://youtu.be/L_ku9YRV2Pg?t=11m12s]"occupying force."[/url][/QUOTE]
Sovereign Citizens are fucked.
[QUOTE=TrulliLulli;52562400]While I consider this guys viewpoint retarded, we have to respect his right to be retarded - his gym, his rules, he can deny entry to whoever he wants[/QUOTE]
So what happens when he denies entry to gay, lesbian, or trans individuals?
[QUOTE=Grenadiac;52562313]I have an uncle like this so I have a line in on this mindset. [I]He[/I] believes if there were no cops, "people like him" would keep the peace. Incidentally, he once tried to become a police officer and was not accepted. I leave you to read between those particular lines.[/QUOTE]
They would keep the peace in the same way that the mafia keeps crime down. Yeah low crime is nice, but it's low because nobody dare go stomping around in the mafia's backyard unless they like being tortured and killed. There's also the fact that the mafia may ask you for payment to keep crime down, because it would be a shame if you were to suddenly get attacked an robbed because you didn't pay for protection.
[QUOTE=FFStudios;52562957]you can actually sue a police department for this, which is why they can't do it to bars or restaurants where they suspect patrons will be drunk driving. I just learned this over the summer, but I have no reason for sharing other than it's an interesting little tidbit. you'd think cops could just infinitely stake places out, but I guess not[/QUOTE]
What you're talking about is cops staking out a place in order to catch drunk drivers, which is a form of entrapment. That's why you can sue cops if they pull you over and give you a ticket or DUI. However, if they are just sitting and watching, they are fine because they have to actually ticket, stop, or arrest someone for it to be entrapment.
[QUOTE=Grenadiac;52562313]These kinds of people usually resent police officers because they represent a force that prevents them from arbitrarily inflicting harm on people they don't like.
I have an uncle like this so I have a line in on this mindset. [I]He[/I] believes if there were no cops, "people like him" would keep the peace. Incidentally, he once tried to become a police officer and was not accepted. I leave you to read between those particular lines.
It's a meathead mindset.[/QUOTE]
I actually think it's people who hear of the stores of police brutality, and then have an overbearing suspicion of cops, to the point of straight up discrimination. I've even seen people say "no cops" on their dating profiles. They think cops are aggressive assholes who'll try to over-assert their power, seeing the bad eggs and thinking that cops, in general, are like that.
[QUOTE=LtKyle2;52563255]So what happens when he denies entry to gay, lesbian, or trans individuals?[/QUOTE]
People can boycot the business as they see fit until it goes out of business. Thats kinda the thought process behind the free market; if people don't like the goods and services a business performs, then they wont shop at that business. That business either needs to reform or close.
This guys lucky that he runs the place in an inner city which is basically an echo chamber for his dumb ideas. Anywhere else and he'd be out of business.
[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;52563526]What you're talking about is cops staking out a place in order to catch drunk drivers, which is a form of entrapment. That's why you can sue cops if they pull you over and give you a ticket or DUI. However, if they are just sitting and watching, they are fine because they have to actually ticket, stop, or arrest someone for it to be entrapment.[/QUOTE]
It's not entrapment. It's just frowned upon.
[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;52563526]What you're talking about is cops staking out a place in order to catch drunk drivers, which is a form of entrapment. That's why you can sue cops if they pull you over and give you a ticket or DUI. However, if they are just sitting and watching, they are fine because they have to actually ticket, stop, or arrest someone for it to be entrapment.[/QUOTE]
That doesn't really sound like entrapment. I think entrapment would be more like a cop telling you that it's safe to drive drunk and then once you do, he pulls you over and tickets you for it.
[QUOTE=LtKyle2;52563255]So what happens when he denies entry to gay, lesbian, or trans individuals?[/QUOTE]
You can't even compare them. Cops aren't an oppressed class. You choose to be a cop, you don't choose to be gay, lesbian or trans.
[QUOTE=kariko;52563661]That doesn't really sound like entrapment. I think entrapment would be more like a cop telling you that it's safe to drive drunk and then once you do, he pulls you over and tickets you for it.[/QUOTE]
Even that's not entrapment. Pretty sure it'd be more like a cop demanding you drive drunk, you refuse and he insists you have to.
[QUOTE=Mr_Razzums;52561913]i guess it's only fair that police don't respond to any calls.[/QUOTE]
But the great part is, the police are usually such nice and helpful people that they'll still come running if he does need them.
[editline]11th August 2017[/editline]
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;52563252]Sovereign Citizens are fucked.[/QUOTE]
Sovereign Citizen? The guy is a hardcore larping communist type.
[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;52563526]What you're talking about is cops staking out a place in order to catch drunk drivers, which is a form of entrapment[/QUOTE]
No? They're not the bartenders, they're not trying to convince you to get into your car and drive. They're in no way forcing you to commit a crime. One you leave a bar, you have multiple legal options to get home if you're over the legal limit. If you choose to fumble for your keys and put other people's lives in danger, that's on you, not the cops who might be sitting across the street watching you.
[QUOTE=Cyke Lon bee;52563554]People can boycot the business as they see fit until it goes out of business. Thats kinda the thought process behind the free market; if people don't like the goods and services a business performs, then they wont shop at that business. That business either needs to reform or close.
This guys lucky that he runs the place in an inner city which is basically an echo chamber for his dumb ideas. Anywhere else and he'd be out of business.[/QUOTE]
I like how you yourself even say that the free market doesn't actually work, it's brilliant.
[QUOTE=UnknownDude;52563673]You can't even compare them. Cops aren't an oppressed class. You choose to be a cop, you don't choose to be gay, lesbian or trans.[/QUOTE]
A business has no right to refuse anyone.
You can't have your cake and eat it too.
[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;52563526]What you're talking about is cops staking out a place in order to catch drunk drivers, which is a form of entrapment.[/QUOTE]
Uhh, no. Seriously, what is the line of reasoning for folks like you to come up with this? It has "trap" in its name, and cops are using the bar as a trap, so it must count as entrapment? Maybe if the cops somehow MADE them drink and then arrested them for drinking and driving, it'd be entrapment
[QUOTE] That's why you can sue cops if they pull you over and give you a ticket or DUI. However, if they are just sitting and watching, they are fine because they have to actually ticket, stop, or arrest someone for it to be entrapment.[/QUOTE]
This is the most sovereign citizen thing I've read all day. No, you can't sue cops for... doing their job.
It's probably different in other countries, and I don't know if it's different state by state in the US, but at least where I live, the police really are not allowed to stake out bars to arrest drunken drivers.
[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;52563526]What you're talking about is cops staking out a place in order to catch drunk drivers, which is a form of entrapment. That's why you can sue cops if they pull you over and give you a ticket or DUI. However, if they are just sitting and watching, they are fine because they have to actually ticket, stop, or arrest someone for it to be entrapment.[/QUOTE]
You are so wrong, it's not even funny.
[QUOTE=elowin;52564551]I like how you yourself even say that the free market doesn't actually work, it's brilliant.[/QUOTE]
Where did I say that? Its clearly working since theres enough people around that agree with his bullshit to keep him in business.
In Minnesota, a man put up a sign in his restaurant telling off Muslims and he refused to take it down. That restaurant has now gone out of business. Free market seems to be working in that sense.
[QUOTE=LtKyle2;52564602]A business has no right to refuse anyone.
You can't have your cake and eat it too.[/QUOTE]
Uhhhhhhhh, no. A[I]private[/I] entity on [I]private[/I] property can (for the most part) refuse to serve whoever the fuck they want (except, per the Federal Civil Rights Act of 1964, which prohibits discrimination by privately owned places on the basis of race, color, religion or national origin). That doesn't make it a smart move, especially not with such a pigheaded reason. Absolutely within the owner's rights though. Cops aren't a protected class.
[QUOTE=salivation;52565633]Uhhhhhhhh, no. A[I]private[/I] entity on [I]private[/I] property can (for the most part) refuse to serve whoever the fuck they want (except, per the Federal Civil Rights Act of 1964, which prohibits discrimination by privately owned places on the basis of race, color, religion or national origin). That doesn't make it a smart move, especially not with such a pigheaded reason. Absolutely within the owner's rights though. Cops aren't a protected class.[/QUOTE]
The law should be amended then because there is no good reason for such a pigheaded reason.
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