/pol/ has started an initiative to post up “It’s Okay To Be White” Flyers - Sensationalist Headlines

[QUOTE=Duck M.;52849323]Visibility and accessibility only serves to benefit these groups.[/QUOTE] No, cause when it's in the public it can be monitored for anything truly dangerous. You can't treat ideas like a disease that you get exposed to, that approach never works and has a rebound effect. Be it far left ideas or far right, or religion.

[QUOTE=Aman;52849349]No, cause when it's in the public it can be monitored for anything truly dangerous. You can't treat ideas like a disease that you get exposed to, that approach never works and has a rebound effect. Be it far left ideas or far right, or religion.[/QUOTE] Didn't mean to rate this, sorry. I think that's not necessarily true when these ideas are engineered specifically to spread and propagate like diseases. It's been proven that containment boards don't work to contain the undesirable aspects of a group. What they do instead is act as incubation chambers for radical ideas, which then disguise themselves as rational, common sense talking points (like "It's okay to be white") and leave the infected area to spread the infection elsewhere. The way toxic rhetoric spreads through the internet is, in reality, very similar to how a virus spread through a community. The reason that far right, white nationalist rhetoric has become so common and mainstream is because of how effectively places like certain subreddits and /pol/ pull people into the fold. I guarantee you that if /pol/ was nowhere near as accessible or widely known, it would not have had the success it has had in information warfare. Their massive, highly visible platform gives them power, rather than taking it away from them like many people optimistically hope it does. Your concept of irrational ideas crumbling under the scrutiny of visibility only works when those ideas aren't cleverly crafted and manufactured to be effective in their resilience and potency.

[QUOTE=Duck M.;52849323]Visibility and accessibility only serves to benefit these groups.[/QUOTE] I never heard of milo, Jordan Peterson, akkad and other types until the left began reeeeeeeeing at them. It seems the more the left tries to deplatform dissents, the more power, visibility and wealth the dissents get. The better tactic is win over normies (aka folks who don't align either right or left) The other way to win is stop reacting to them. You are giving them free advertising. Stop that

[QUOTE=FeartheMango;52847246]It's obvious bait, sure. But I see no difference between "It's Okay to be White" and "Black Lives Matter", besides the more aggressive tone of the latter[/QUOTE] White Supremacy: "We want to kill every motherfucking POC scumbag on this goddamn rock and create a whites-only nation" BLM, in its original intent: "Please stop killing people of color?" You: "I really can't tell the difference!!" [editline]3rd November 2017[/editline] Is it unironically cool to go "In my view, the Jedi are evil!" now?

[QUOTE=Chris Morris;52849700]White Supremacy: "We want to kill every motherfucking POC scumbag on this goddamn rock and create a whites-only nation" BLM, in its original intent: "Please stop killing people of color?" You: "I really can't tell the difference!!"[/QUOTE] Everytime someone post shit like this a normie goes alt right. Keep it up. It shows you don't have friends outside your polical circle thus don't understand the common person. Maybe start forming relationships with people who disagree with you? That will go further to countering the Nazi threat vs being oh so smug.

[QUOTE=Guriosity;52849709]Everytime someone post shit like this a normie goes alt right. Keep it up.[/QUOTE] If, in your fantasy-land, someone's going to side with advocating genocide and oppression purely because I pointed out an utterly braindead false-equivalency then they were going to flip no matter what.

[QUOTE=Guriosity;52849681]I never heard of milo, Jordan Peterson, akkad and other types until the left began reeeeeeeeing at them. It seems the more the left tries to deplatform dissents, the more power, visibility and wealth the dissents get. The better tactic is win over normies (aka folks who don't align either right or left) The other way to win is stop reacting to them. You are giving them free advertising. Stop that[/QUOTE] Milo et al are masters of manipulating outrage to their benefit. Their entire career revolves around building a base to rally around, expanding their platform, and then feeding off of the anger that their visibility garners. They've no doubt garnered more notoriety because of their detractors, but these individuals, especially those like Milo and Akkad, made a name for themselves independent of any responses to their actions. If you stop "reacting" to them (i.e. not supporting their platforming at universities and the like), you let them do as they please. It's the same principle with this slogan. If you react, you lose. If you don't react, you lose. It's extremely difficult to win against a carefully built strategy of irrationality. The battle is indeed over garnering the support of "normies" but the reality is that many of the circumstances around prevailing moods lend themselves to people being sold the lies of the alt-right. For every long, well thought out response dissecting and debunking their sensational talking points they can churn out 5 more. A long dissertation is much less visible and digestible than a short catchphrase riddled with dogwhistles.

[QUOTE=Guriosity;52849709] It shows you don't have friends outside your polical circle thus don't understand the common person. Maybe start forming relationships with people who disagree with you? That will go further to countering the Nazi threat vs being oh so smug.[/QUOTE] You don't know the first thing about me, mate. You're projecting like a fucking 35mm. Change the fucking reel, because the one you're using is old-hat.

[QUOTE=Duck M.;52849719]Milo et al are masters of manipulating outrage to their benefit. Their entire career revolves around building a base to rally around, expanding their platform, and then feeding off of the anger that their visibility garners. They've no doubt garnered more notoriety because of their detractors, but these individuals, especially those like Milo and Akkad, made a name for themselves independent of any responses to their actions. If you stop "reacting" to them (i.e. not supporting their platforming at universities and the like), you let them do as they please. It's the same principle with this slogan. If you react, you lose. If you don't react, you lose. It's extremely difficult to win against a carefully built strategy of irrationality.[/QUOTE] Like I said start forming relationships with normies. Start addressing their wants and needs. Cause if you don't the Nazis will. You're fighting for market share. What the alt right does is tailor their propaganda to how the social justice crowd acts. See how that guy who replied "I'm projecting'. That the behavior Nazis want from him. Makes shit easier for them.

[QUOTE=Guriosity;52849723]Like I said start forming relationships with normies. Start addressing their wants and needs. Cause if you don't the Nazis will.[/QUOTE] calling people "normies" and treating them like this weird group of people whos "wants and needs" need to be addressed or they'll turn into nazis is pretty fucking weird

[QUOTE=Guriosity;52849723]Like I said start forming relationships with normies. Start addressing their wants and needs. Cause if you don't the Nazis will.[/QUOTE] This isn't the fucking Sims, choffer. [editline]3rd November 2017[/editline] Why should I go out of my way to address the 'wants and needs' of people? Why should I have to infringe my views upon other people, who have their own free agency? Why the fuck are you suggesting propaganda escapades? That's so fucking sleazy. [editline]3rd November 2017[/editline] [quote] You're fighting for market share. What the alt right does is tailor their propaganda to how the social justice crowd acts. See how that guy who replied "I'm projecting'. That the behavior Nazis want from him. Makes shit easier for them. [/quote] You [b]are[/b] projecting because you clearly don't go out in the fucking real world or speak to people outside your own circles, since the only way you can refer to people who aren't shut-in weirdos is as "normies". Stop talking like Set from Fallout, taffer.

[QUOTE=EnlightenDead;52849727]calling people "normies" and treating them like this weird group of people whos "wants and needs" need to be addressed or they'll turn into nazis is pretty fucking weird[/QUOTE] Well I don't know what else to call them. just realize it's not a war between two sides but competing for market share of the unaligned. What the Nazis are doing are trolling you to make you react in ways that makes you look bad. It's working. Want proof? See who sitting in the white house now. Start outreach programs. Help those who are homeless. Help those in legal trouble. Actual be nice to people.

[QUOTE=Chris Morris;52849728]This isn't the fucking Sims, choffer. [editline]3rd November 2017[/editline] Why should I go out of my way to address the 'wants and needs' of people? Why should I have to infringe my views upon other people, who have their own free agency? Why the fuck are you suggesting propaganda escapades? That's so fucking sleazy. [editline]3rd November 2017[/editline] You [B]are[/B] projecting because you clearly don't go out in the fucking real world or speak to people outside your own circles, since the only way you can refer to people who aren't shut-in weirdos is as "normies". Stop talking like Set from Fallout, taffer.[/QUOTE] Your arguments are great when you throw in childish insults at the end of every sentence.

[QUOTE=Aman;52849736]You're arguments are great when you throw in childish insults at the end of every sentence.[/QUOTE] You're putting up quite the cogent argument yourself, popping into a discussion you're not involved in to throw out a Hot Zinger like this is the Friar's Club. Have a backbone.

[QUOTE=Chris Morris;52849728]This isn't the fucking Sims, choffer. [editline]3rd November 2017[/editline] Why should I go out of my way to address the 'wants and needs' of people? Why should I have to infringe my views upon other people, who have their own free agency? Why the fuck are you suggesting propaganda escapades? That's so fucking sleazy.[/QUOTE] Because that's how political mindshare works. If you completely refuse to address problems, even symbolically, it makes people feel like as if the system doesn't give two shits about their existence outside of taxes. This is why the way the Democrat party has treated Midwesterns, Appalachians, and Southerns as all around "rednecks" has backfired so badly. You can only call people dirt so many times before the true strength of the soil is shown.

[QUOTE=Guriosity;52849734]Well I don't know what else to call them. just realize it's not a war between two sides but competing for market share of the aligned. What the Nazis are doing are trolling you to make you react that makes you look bad. It's working. Want proof? See who sitting in the white house now[/QUOTE] You're saying it's not a two-sided issue and yet you're instantly assuming I'm on the "SJW reeeing side" just because I think you're full of crap, what? Are you listening to yourself, cowboy?

[QUOTE=Guriosity;52849723]Like I said start forming relationships with normies. Start addressing their wants and needs. Cause if you don't the Nazis will. You're fighting for market share. What the alt right does is tailor their propaganda to how the social justice crowd acts. See how that guy who replied "I'm projecting'. That the behavior Nazis want from him. Makes shit easier for them.[/QUOTE] The war of information is not being fought on a personal, individual basis. What people want and what they need are very different things, and what people *think* they want and what they *think* they need are different still.

[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;52849740] This is why the way the[B] Democrat party[/B] has treated Midwesterns, Appalachians, and Southerns as all around "rednecks" has backfired so badly. You can only call people dirt so many times before the true strength of the soil is shown.[/QUOTE] See this is what I'm talking about. Legitimately none of you have even tried to listen to my politics or allow me to share my slice and yet you're instantly assuming I'm under one flag. This is why I've stopped trying to bother. You're talking about "people like [me]" not caring about the average person, and yet [B]you[/B] don't even care to listen to [B]my[/B] side. It has to be quid pro quo, or you might as well let the goddamned Nazis win.

[QUOTE=Chris Morris;52849746]See this is what I'm talking about. Legitimately none of you have even tried to listen to my politics or allow me to share my slice and yet you're instantly assuming I'm under one flag. This is why I've stopped trying to bother. You're talking about "people like [me]" not caring about the average person, and yet [B]you[/B] don't even care to listen to [B]my[/B] side. It has to be quid pro quo, or you might as well let the goddamned Nazis win.[/QUOTE] Maybe post your politics then so we can "listen" and stop spazzing out.

[QUOTE=Duck M.;52849743]The war of information is not being fought on a personal, individual basis. What people want and what they need are very different things, and what people *think* they want and what they *think* they need are different still.[/QUOTE] I can go to the library and drag out all the counter insurgency source which echo what I am saying. I can also point to ww2 on how being nice to folls prevented a resurgence of German nationalism. Then I can point out how being an abusive cunt after ww1 gave Hitler the fertile ground he needed to rise to power.

[QUOTE=Chris Morris;52849741]You're saying it's not a two-sided issue and yet you're instantly assuming I'm on the "SJW reeeing side" just because I think you're full of crap, what? Are you listening to yourself, cowboy?[/QUOTE] What exactly's your malfunction, "cowboy"?

[QUOTE=e_k_M;52847216]It looks harmless. The only people who’ll be mad at this is either racists who hate whites or people who think whites are the devil[/QUOTE] Nottt really. It's not just put up for no reason, there's an actual inspiration and implication behind this. And that's equating the severity of any issues a person may face for being white, for issues a person may face for not being white. It's implying that there are white people doubting themselves, feeling ashamed of their skin color, wondering if they'll ever be safe, wondering how they'll be able to make a living, despite being white. It's implying that it [I]needs[/I] to be said. Putting this poster up is saying "white people need to be reassured this." And to genuinely believe that is selfish, and negligent of the discrimination and abuse people [I]actually[/I] face. [editline]2nd November 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Radical_ed;52849338]Just hang up the same poster but with other races / identities.[/QUOTE] This is a lot better. I personally say "it's okay to be..." for a good number of races, honestly, because they're not under attack. But there's no big issue of people facing discrimination for being French, German, Russian, Polish, Icelandic, Scottish, Ukrainian, Italian... And there's no backlash for them celebrating those ethnicities. Italian pride? Wide spread and celebrated. Irish pride? Arguably appropriated into a holiday, but it's so damn celebrated. Polish pride? Absolutely. "White" pride? You're not celebrating being white; you're celebrating not being a person of color. When people of color celebrate their skin color, they're celebrating overcoming the struggles they've faced for such. White people never had that struggle, so to try to have their own celebration is to erase that struggle and say "they never really had it that bad."

[QUOTE=Chris Morris;52849746]See this is what I'm talking about. Legitimately none of you have even tried to listen to my politics or allow me to share my slice and yet you're instantly assuming I'm under one flag. This is why I've stopped trying to bother. You're talking about "people like [me]" not caring about the average person, and yet [B]you[/B] don't even care to listen to [B]my[/B] side. It has to be quid pro quo, or you might as well let the goddamned Nazis win.[/QUOTE] Chill. First of all, it was just a reference to explain why keeping mindshare politically speaking is a good thing. I was not judging what your political beliefs are. What /pol/'s campaign is doing is what is known as [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agitprop]Agitprop[/url]. The main difference between what they are doing and what the Soviets did is that their propaganda isn't meant to be forceful or preachy. This is where people like Goebbels come in... [I]"The best propaganda is that which, as it were, works invisibly, penetrates the whole of life without the public having any knowledge of the propagandistic initiative."[/I] - Joseph Goebbels in 1933. This is still true too this day. Hell, lot of the stuff Goebbels talked about, is now used in hearts and minds campaigns. If you preach, no one will listen. If you plant a seed, and let the desperation of a population feed it... You'll end up a sprouting flower in no time at all.

[QUOTE=Aman;52849750]Maybe post your politics then so we can "listen" and stop spazzing out.[/QUOTE] What a mature insult you ended your post with, cowboy skipjack from the ole' briny, king of the choffers. Traditionally I would've fallen on the lefter side of the spectrum but considering the radicalization of both sides as of late I'd probably fall nearer center-right, which is basically tantamount to Satanism nowadays but hey-ho. Best way I can put myself is that my social views are that of an egalitarian; I believe in equal rights regardless of race, creed, or religion. I believe that understanding and communication are the paths to human enlightenment and the advancement of both our species and the flora and fauna of our planet. But at the same time I take a hard line on issues that puts me toward the center-right view. I believe that gun rights in the United States shouldn't be infringed to the extent that people attempt to (I believe in education and understanding of firearms, background checks and psych evals, not outright banning of Scawy Guns, etc) and I believe that dissuading needless, non-hobbyist 'just cause' ownership of firearms is more important than dissuading all firearms. I believe that violence is not always the first answer, but ultimately violence [b]can[/b] be the only answer to some questions. If my country or loved ones were at threat I would fight tooth and nail. I also believe in (reasonably) standing up for lesser nations, when it's befitting. Vietnam and Syria are two conflicts I would avoid, but If I was given the choice of fighting World War 2 to help Poland and taking great losses, or sitting out of it and only losing a thousand, I'd step in to block the Iron Giant. I oppose the death penalty though, merely because it's not the state's responsibility to slaughter people like cattle because they transgressed. Fiscally I guess you could call me a socialist, but ultimately I know that socialism probably wouldn't work because we would never have 'nice men' at the helm. Capitalism has so far proven itself to be the only system that allows a society to function with less greater suffering than large-scale socialist or communist structures have. Libertarianism is like capitalism on fentanyl, and thus must be completely disregarded and anyone who says it's the right answer usually ends up on my shitlist. You can't have a capitalist system without oversight. As we've seen with the 'hands off' control of corporations across the world (Predominantly in China and the US) when you allow men to do as they will, they will commit atrocities in the name of them and theirs. When it comes to flying flags, I don't side with the current left side of the spectrum, because their attitude has turned from fighting for freedom for fighting to restrain. I don't believe in waging wars for the sakes of subjugation. You fight to protect yourself. Lebensraum and Manifest Destiny are lies told by rich men so they can build ranches on the bones of the working man. I also don't side with the current popular right side because it's fucking wack as all heck. I mean the 'popular right' (which resembles historical rightwingers as much as my arsecrack resembles the Mir space station) at the moment are smeared with the fingerprints of people who think it's cool to do the Fuhrer Salute and yell HEIL TRUMP. Back in '44 they'd be shot at dawn for being traitors, so it baffles me they can be viewed as Twue Patwiots. And I think most importantly I believe that the Keebler Elves are at the heart of this darkness. The seventh age of crisp is coming. But really my beliefs hinge on understanding and cooperation. Life and the experiences we undergo are all we have, and so to divide it into partisan issues is completely senseless. If we could have an automated system of government that treated all as some modicum of equal, and politics was ultimately just a theoretical and debate-based thing, I think I'd be very happy with the world. But that's a pipe-dream. There's no perfect system. Life itself is chaotic, and coming to understand that is, I think, one of the most important steps to adulthood. So there, I've spilled my spleen. You can find a flaw in it, I'm sure, but ultimately, what does it fucking matter? I'm not marching on your towns saluting in the name of [B]my flag[/B], but [B]these[/B] fuckers are. That's why you[B] have[/B] to react to them in some way. You [I]cannot[/I] just sit idly by and allow these people to spread their views like they do, because they [I]will[/I] use your apathy to gain power. That's how they wrested power in Europe seventy years ago. The ruling case thought they were nothing but a joke, and believed ignoring them was the way to deal with them.. right up until they signed over the Reichstag. And no, I'm not saying "kill everyone to the right of me", I'm just saying that doing absolutely nothing like Gurosity is preaching will not do anything. Confront them. Educate them. Open their minds.

[QUOTE=LegndNikko;52849765]It's implying that there are white people... wondering how they'll be able to make a living, despite being white. [/QUOTE] What do you mean by this?

[QUOTE=ThatSprite;52849185]People need to realise the internet isn't a fucking joke anymore. I don't get how people can look at recent events, especially the influence Russia had in destabilizing [I]the most powerful country in the world in their own elections[/I], and think the internet is all memes and jokes. It really is serious business now.[/QUOTE] This grim cyberpunk future is lame.

[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;52849780]Chill. First of all, it was just a reference to explain why keeping mindshare politically speaking is a good thing. I was not judging what your political beliefs are. What /pol/'s campaign is doing is what is known as [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agitprop]Agitprop[/url]. The main difference between what they are doing and what the Soviets did is that their propaganda isn't meant to be forceful or preachy. This is where people like Goebbels come in... [I]"The best propaganda is that which, as it were, works invisibly, penetrates the whole of life without the public having any knowledge of the propagandistic initiative."[/I] - Joseph Goebbels in 1933. This is still true too this day. Hell, lot of the stuff Goebbels talked about, is now used in hearts and minds campaigns. If you preach, no one will listen. If you plant a seed, and let the desperation of a population feed it... You'll end up a sprouting flower in no time at all.[/QUOTE] It's cool, I'm just super fucking tired of people demanding me to wave one singular flag or another. Ships have shitloads of flags on them sometimes, so why can't I be like a ship? I want to sail the seven seas and sink [I]das unterm[/I]-- I mean, nasty gits. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Threadshitting" - Mezzokoko))[/highlight]

[QUOTE=Guriosity;52849751]I can go to the library and drag out all the counter insurgency source which echo what I am saying. I can also point to ww2 on how being nice to folls prevented a resurgence of German nationalism. Then I can point out how being an abusive cunt after ww1 gave Hitler the fertile ground he needed to rise to power.[/QUOTE] Our current landscape of discussion, relation, and information dissemination is completely unlike anything in our past. The capability of the internet to give people massive platforms and voices with very little accountability or filter makes our situation unique to those experienced in the past.

[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;52849790]What do you mean by this?[/QUOTE] White people not being able to live their lives without being harassed for being white. Not being able to get a job because "we don't want your kind here," either consciously or unconsciously. A struggle non-white people have actually faced.

[QUOTE=LegndNikko;52849828]White people not being able to live their lives without being harassed for being white. Not being able to get a job because "we don't want your kind here," either consciously or unconsciously. A struggled non-white people have actually faced.[/QUOTE] Okay, I see. I just wrote up a big thing and wanted to give you the benefit of the doubt before I posted it. I thought you were implying that there weren't white people who face severe economic challenges, who aren't wondering how they'll be able to make a living, despite being white. Because those people factually do exist. Nevermind.