/pol/ has started an initiative to post up “It’s Okay To Be White” Flyers - Sensationalist Headlines

[QUOTE=Kiwi;52850836] You mean the Alt Right and Nazi's are inability to relate to common folk and self reflect because they hate anything that doesn't support White Supremacy, hate crimes against LGBQT, Jewish, Muslims, Asians, Africans.[/QUOTE] Actually, no. The fact that the alt-right exists and has the mindset that it does without being pushed to the sidelines immediately is proof that these people can and do relate to 'common folk'.

[QUOTE=phygon;52850839]Actually, no. The fact that the alt-right exists and has the mindset that it does without being pushed to the sidelines immediately is proof that these people can and do relate to 'common folk'.[/QUOTE] Well, considering they have to wrap up what they say with confusing jargon and dogwhistles in order to cover up the fact that they are indeed talking about how they believe certain ethnicities/races are inferior or deserve to be cleansed, things haven't yet gotten to the stage where their form of rhetoric is acceptable to a mainstream audience.

[QUOTE=comet1337;52847183]/pol/ is a joke way too many people take seriously[/QUOTE] Especially /pol/ themselves, right?

[QUOTE=Firgof Umbra;52850053]Allow me to formally rebut your last point: The people who would be swayed by the Nazis and would remain Nazis are Nazis (or at very least would be sympathetic).[/QUOTE] I'm not sure if this is exactly what you meant, but I've been seeing a lot of people basically say 'I don't need to be nice to undecided people, if they end up being sympathetic to Nazis when I'm through they were going to be Nazis anyways'. And I think that not only is that wrong, it's an extremely dangerous mindset to hold. In counter-terrorism the concept of 'hearts and minds' is crucial. You don't beat a terror network by exterminating every last member, you beat them by eliminating their support from the local population, undermining their influence and eventually rendering them irrelevant. You do this by engaging bystanders. By helping out the people on the ground. This is often difficult because they've been seeded with [I]preconceptions[/I] about you, starting you off with a negative image. You have to work extra hard to be nice and solve their problems and convince them that no, you actually want to help, you don't actually eat babies, and it's the Taliban/Al-Qaeda/Al-Shabaab/ISIS/whoever that are the bad guys. Even when they're predisposed to hating you on account of misinformation, you have to kill them with kindness, or you're going to lose in the long run. When you're starting off on that negative foot, what you [I]don't[/I] do is take a hardline stance, apply indiscriminate, overwhelming force, and go home with the attitude that 'anyone who'd support a terrorist after this is going to become a terrorist anyways'. The truth is that otherwise reasonable people can be easily swayed to extremism if their entire exposure to it is enticement on one side and seemingly irrational behavior on the other. You don't quash terrorism by bombing villages. You don't quash white nationalism by pissing off moderates. With white nationalism, we're talking about an ideology that is so dangerous because of how seductive it is. It's appealing to people who aren't evil, just vulnerable, confused, and looking for something to explain and address their problems. They're already sympathetic to white nationalists simply because white nationalists are sympathetic to them when nobody else is. Showing understanding and sympathy is what keeps them away from extremism- it's true for terrorism, it's true for cults, it's true for hate groups. Now, I am not saying you should be kind to actual devotees of the white nationalist cause. You don't fight terrorists with kindness. But if you want to minimize their recruitment, you have to undermine the factors that drive their recruitment, and falling back to 'anyone who's alienated by my tactics would be a Nazi anyways' is an extremely counterproductive mindset. The tactics we use matter, because we're already fighting an uphill battle against an ideology that relies on emotional appeal. How our actions come across to an undecided audience is far more important than simply delivering facts and hoping they'll outweigh emotion. (Like I said, I'm not sure if this is actually what you meant, so please don't take this personally if it's not. I've seen the sentiments I describe above said a lot and felt it needed to be addressed.)

From all I've known, I always thought of /pol/ as that one nutty conspiracy theorist that sits in the corner, gibbering madly about how the Jews made him stub his toe on the coffee table. Crazy, but harmless. Now, with all these genuinely hateful racists infesting what was once sheer irony, it's like that formerly harmless nutter suddenly got up and stabbed you in the gut with a switch-knife.

[QUOTE=Zaravan;52851186]From all I've known, I always thought of /pol/ as that one nutty conspiracy theorist that sits in the corner, gibbering madly about how the Jews made him stub his toe on the coffee table. Crazy, but harmless. Now, with all these genuinely hateful racists infesting what was once sheer irony, it's like that formerly harmless nutter suddenly got up and stabbed you in the gut with a switch-knife.[/QUOTE] or burst into a pizza restaurant with an assault rifle, or murderers his parents while ranting about pedos and leftists

[media]https://youtu.be/lANDJXgz0iU[/media] Literally playing right into /pol/'s hands.

[QUOTE=Tudd;52851302][media]https://youtu.be/lANDJXgz0iU[/media] Literally playing right into /pol/'s hands.[/QUOTE] "A 4chan online forum" Good to hear that they are learning

[QUOTE=Tehcmc;52850764]Exactly. Same thing happened to T_D on reddit. They start off as people being ironically racist, taking on the character of these kinds of people, then the real arseholes come out the woodwork and make that place their own, replacing the originals[/QUOTE] "Ironically racist". I don't believe that for a second, you show me an ironic racist and I'll show you a nearly out the closet racist

[QUOTE=Doozle;52851447]"Ironically racist". I don't believe that for a second, you show me an ironic racist and I'll show you a nearly out the closet racist[/QUOTE] So any racist joke ever said is said by a bonafide dyed in the wool racist? Taboo jokes are funny because of how taboo they are. What a dumb statement.

[QUOTE=Aman;52851483]So any racist joke ever said is said by a bonafide dyed in the wool racist? Taboo jokes are funny because of how taboo they are. What a dumb statement.[/QUOTE] sure but "ironic racism" is still fucking dumb and if someone says something racist and says "it was ironic bro!! chill out" im just gonna assume they're racist

[QUOTE=EnlightenDead;52851659]sure but "ironic racism" is still fucking dumb and if someone says something racist and says "it was ironic bro!! chill out" im just gonna assume they're racist[/QUOTE] imo it depends on intention. Like when Stephen Colbert did his ironically racist impression of an asian person (he was taking a jab at racist conservatives) thats different than some internet racist joking with his internet racist friends with a racist joke over the internet then saying "nyyyaa checkmate! i was just being ironic! everything is racist these days!"

[QUOTE=Aman;52851483]So any racist joke ever said is said by a bonafide dyed in the wool racist? Taboo jokes are funny because of how taboo they are. What a dumb statement.[/QUOTE] Honestly racist jokes aren't funny, they're mostly told by closet racists who have little to no contact with the people in the joke The person may not be a dyed in the wool racist, but chances are they hold some prejudices otherwise you know they'd understand that you shouldn't tell racist jokes. If you make a joke that uses a racist word that makes an actual point (see Frankie Boyle) then yeah go ahead, but most people are too thick for that and most racist jokes aren't funny. And aside from that when you tell a racist joke, especially private ones amongst your friendship group who won't be shocked by your super smart taboo zinger about niggers , you're signalling that is something that is okay to joke about or that you. It's the same when some immature YouTuber constantly says the word nigger and everyone tries to jump and say "ah just he's not actually a racist, it's just a word" , yeah it may be just a word but when you keep saying it you normalise it and you perpetuate I had a pretty big argument with a close friend recently when he called someone a Jew for being tight. The whole taboo joke thing falls apart when in reality you aren't actually shocking anyone because they've heard it a million times already, you're just spouting racist words and stereotypes. This post probably makes little sense as I'm meant to be working :v: Basically don't tell racist jokes. Challenge people who tell racist jokes

[QUOTE=Berman Slick;52851700]We literally are, though. No, of course not in the manner PoC or other minorities are, but white people get shit on near-constantly these days for nothing more than their skin tone, lumped in with Nazis, the KKK, just all around bad shit. If we're supposed to be "allies", stop treating us all like shit because a few of us were mean. A vast majority of people want to make the world better for everyone, that includes white people.[/QUOTE] Go outside fam, stop getting your news of the internet. whites aren't under attack

[QUOTE=Berman Slick;52851710]Spend a day in my university lol, the things I hear/deal with in class[/QUOTE] 'You' is not 'We'. I'm sorry that you have racist arseholes in your class - that's not indicative of the rest of America. Spend a day outside your university and tell us how much of that you still run into.

[QUOTE=Berman Slick;52851710]Spend a day in my university lol, the things I hear/deal with in class[/QUOTE] Just accept it then. You a white dude (I'm guessing), are part of the most powerful and privileged group. Accept that white people have done shitty stuff in the past, until very recently too, it's in people's living memory and evidently from this 6 page thread and the whole recent white supremacy movement an ongoing issue. Don't take it to heart when people talk about white people, they're aren't talking about you personally. Do be an ally, be on the right (left) side of history. Besides as a white lefty from a mixed race family, with grandparents who fought Nazis and parents who taught us about civil rights movements and equality I'm sure I'd love it there. Sound like my people

[QUOTE=Doozle;52851705]Go outside fam, stop getting your news of the internet. whites aren't under attack[/QUOTE] whites, as the native majority, are under institutional scrutiny for their inertia towards multiculturalism, a knowledge based economy, and growing irrelevance of the small town and countryside. they're politically suspect as the middle class declines and people subsequently polarize, since they're the majority demographic and most likely to effect radical or alternative political change. also as the majority demographic, it's their in-group preference that's the go-to for explanations of disparities, creating a unique double standard the future of the country in the 21st century depends on our ability to culturally and politically change the majority demographic. furthermore in the western soul-seeking following the world wars, de-colonization, and legal equality, the relationship of today's whites (from individual expressions of it up to political inclinations) to our past culture as a male-dominated, race-based, and very capitalist society is being de-constructed and put in the spotlight. this is then used a political and cultural weapon when we inevitably encounter resistance to globalization, and shapes our view of a stratifying post-colonial and post-jim crow society where communities are becoming transient and less interconnected, classes are more unequal, and democracy is becoming more centralized and influenced by money as a result we get a very pissed off white working class in the west [QUOTE=Doozle;52851762]Just accept it then. You a white dude (I'm guessing), are part of the most powerful and privileged group. Accept that white people have done shitty stuff in the past, until very recently too, it's in people's living memory and evidently from this 6 page thread and the whole recent white supremacy movement an ongoing issue. Don't take it to heart when people talk about white people, they're aren't talking about you personally. Do be an ally, be on the right (left) side of history. Besides as a white lefty from a mixed race family, with grandparents who fought Nazis and parents who taught us about civil rights movements and equality I'm sure I'd love it there. Sound like my people[/QUOTE] 'whites arent under attack stop reading breitbart lmao' 'now internalize this left ideology and resign to just being an ally because of your skin color and genitals'

[QUOTE=Doozle;52851680]Honestly racist jokes aren't funny, they're mostly told by closet racists who have little to no contact with the people in the joke The person may not be a dyed in the wool racist, but chances are they hold some prejudices otherwise you know they'd understand that you shouldn't tell racist jokes. If you make a joke that uses a racist word that makes an actual point (see Frankie Boyle) then yeah go ahead, but most people are too thick for that and most racist jokes aren't funny. And aside from that when you tell a racist joke, especially private ones amongst your friendship group who won't be shocked by your super smart taboo zinger about niggers , you're signalling that is something that is okay to joke about or that you. It's the same when some immature YouTuber constantly says the word nigger and everyone tries to jump and say "ah just he's not actually a racist, it's just a word" , yeah it may be just a word but when you keep saying it you normalise it and you perpetuate I had a pretty big argument with a close friend recently when he called someone a Jew for being tight. The whole taboo joke thing falls apart when in reality you aren't actually shocking anyone because they've heard it a million times already, you're just spouting racist words and stereotypes. This post probably makes little sense as I'm meant to be working :v: Basically don't tell racist jokes. Challenge people who tell racist jokes[/QUOTE] Glad to know we have the grand justice of comedy to tell us what is and isn't funny definitively. Comedy is meant to push social boundaries and taboos, that was literally the foundation of American comedy. Lenny Bruce got prosecuted for "obscenity". When you start policing something as benign as comedy it's really pathetic. Glad you could virtue signal to your friend. You're projecting your own morality onto everyone and if they don't abide by your standards they're condemned as if they should just know "better", it's so arbitrary. Starting a back and forth conversation about something? Okay I suppose, but trying to stamp on your friends and having "pretty big arguments" cause they don't follow your pet doctrine? The more taboo and butthurt people get about something, the more likely it will become a button joke [I]because[/I] it is socially taboo. Jokes are about intent, if the intent is humour the intent is humour, not normalizing or signalling, or whatever the hell. You get a sense between people who are "ironically" racist and poke fun, and those who truly actually believe the shit they say, you can see the line and to just erase the line and say their the same is kinda dumb.

[QUOTE=Doozle;52851762]Just accept it then. You a white dude (I'm guessing), are part of the most powerful and privileged group. Accept that white people have done shitty stuff in the past, until very recently too, it's in people's living memory and evidently from this 6 page thread and the whole recent white supremacy movement an ongoing issue.[/QUOTE] Guilt by association isn't sound logic, nor has it ever been the right side of history. You've clearly got your own problems to work out in regards to race, I don't think you're in a position to delegate how the system works.

[QUOTE=Doozle;52851762]Just accept it then. You a white dude (I'm guessing), are part of the most powerful and privileged group. Accept that white people have done shitty stuff in the past, until very recently too, it's in people's living memory and evidently from this 6 page thread and the whole recent white supremacy movement an ongoing issue. [B]Don't take it to heart when people talk about white people, they're aren't talking about you personally. Do be an ally, be on the right (left) side of history.[/B] Besides as a white lefty from a mixed race family, with grandparents who fought Nazis and parents who taught us about civil rights movements and equality I'm sure I'd love it there. Sound like my people[/QUOTE] Oh god you went even deeper than I thought you would've. Talk about high horse. Don't take it to heart then when someone makes a joke in obvious jest then with no malicious intent... [editline]3rd November 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Doozle;52851705]Go outside fam, stop getting your news of the internet. whites aren't under attack[/QUOTE] Under attack is an overstatement, I don't feel in any [I]real[/I] danger, dumb opinions are just dumb opinions, but like my story on page 2 the whole PC white guilt crap [I]is[/I] infesting universities, and I don't feel like it's productive or achieves any worthwhile outcomes. It just gets annoying to be told directly or indirectly you are the problem when you've done nothing. It's surface level lazy analysis and blaming the west and white people is the go to in 2017 apparently.

[QUOTE=Doozle;52851762]Don't take it to heart when people talk about white people, they're aren't talking about you personally. Do be an ally, be on the right (left) side of history.[/QUOTE] the right side of history? god i hate this kind of arrogant shit people come up with

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;52852061]the right side of history? god i hate this kind of arrogant shit people come up with[/QUOTE] You do understand the implied meaning though right?

[QUOTE=Doozle;52851762]Don't take it to heart when people talk about white people, they're aren't talking about you personally. Do be an ally, be on the right (left) side of history.[/QUOTE] How can I not take it to heart when people hate me for my skin color and gender?

[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;52852074]You do understand the implied meaning though right?[/QUOTE] That he's a supreme superior gentleman?

[QUOTE=Aman;52852102]That he's a supreme superior gentleman?[/QUOTE] If that's the meaning you garner from it; then yes [editline]3rd November 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=FalconKrunch;52852096]How can I not take it to heart when people hate me for my skin color and gender?[/QUOTE] Ye fuck racism, report that shit and if it's not taken seriously then take it higher up. Don't use it to stitch some flimsy white oppression narrative though, I posted a large post on that a few pages back [url]https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1584301&p=52847878&viewfull=1#post52847878[/url]

I saw one of these by the University of Toronto yesterday on the back of a street sign! Coincidentally right beside a frat house.

[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;52852107]If that's the meaning you garner from it; then yes [editline]3rd November 2017[/editline] Ye fuck racism, report that shit and if it's not taken seriously then take it higher up. Don't use it to stitch some flimsy white oppression narrative though, I posted a large post on that a few pages back[/QUOTE] The weird thing is you get laughed at. It's the arrogant kind of scoff like "wow you don't believe what I believe [I]and [/I]you are against it? are you [I]kidding[/I] me!?". Sometimes it isn't worth making a mountain out of an anthill and being some academic pariah. It could be taken all the way up but to what end, is it really worth it? I'm genuinely kind of indirectly silenced cause I know my dissent won't be taken kindly. Do I get an oppression card now?, I'm like 1/10th oppressed :v:

[QUOTE=Aman;52852132]The weird thing is you get laughed at. It's the arrogant kind of scoff like "wow you don't believe what I believe [I]and [/I]you are against it? are you [I]kidding[/I] me!?". Sometimes it isn't worth making a mountain out of an anthill and being some academic pariah. I'm genuinely kind of silenced cause I know my dissent won't be taken kindly. Do I get an oppression card now?, I'm like 1/10th oppressed :v:[/QUOTE] Dissent won't be taken kindly? Where do you live? 1940s Soviet Russia? If your suffering from racism record that shit and take it to your tutor, if they dismiss it then go higher up and make it in their interest "you do nothing about this then I'll take it to the papers with proof that do did nothing, you'll get a scandal and loose students enrolling" you don't have to actually do that because they will respond. You can't take racism then rather than tackling it do and whinge on a forum that's just disingenuous. That's like a bullied kid not telling anyone and then saying "the teachers r oppressing me"

[QUOTE=Berman Slick;52851710]Spend a day in my university lol, the things I hear/deal with in class[/QUOTE] Wow, you have asshole classmates and/or professors. Truly epitomizing the struggle of the white man. [editline]3rd November 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Berman Slick;52851887]You've clearly never gone to university, it's not a good thing. What's more ironic is my grandfather was SS, my father a huge hippie who rejected his father's ideology, and in turn my father seeded my own hippie-ness deep inside. I know what fascism actually looks like, and how destructive it is within my own family. I'm the biggest love-creature imaginable, and even I can see through the rhetoric and disguised-hate/racism of BLM/AntiFa/SJWs at large. [I]The children of fascists make great hippies[/I][/QUOTE] And now we're onto "anti-racists are the real racists." Do you have anything substantive to say or are you just going to regurgitate tired talking points?

[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;52852155]Dissent won't be taken kindly? Where do you live? 1940s Soviet Russia? If your suffering from racism record that shit and take it to your tutor, if they dismiss it then go higher up and make it in their interest "you do nothing about this then I'll take it to the papers with proof that do did nothing, you'll get a scandal and loose students enrolling" you don't have to actually do that because they will respond. You can't take racism then rather than tackling it do and whinge on a forum that's just disingenuous. That's like a bullied kid not telling anyone and then saying "the teachers r oppressing me"[/QUOTE] Like don't get me wrong, I [I]can[/I] dissent I'm not some insanely oppressed person. I could state my opinions and there isn't repercussions, but there is the social repercussions of the neo-Marxist professor talking down to you in front of the class and basically encouraging the students to dog pile you. The disagreement that capitalism isn't the root of all evil in a course on development and globalization is met with scoffs.