225-year-old Columbus monument vandalized in Baltimore - Sensationalist Headlines

[QUOTE=space1;52606702]The only time he ever set foot in "America", was when he set foot in central America. He was lost and terrified, stranded at sea in a hurricane, and then nearly was done in by the natives in battle.[/QUOTE] [i]Americas[/i],Cuba is part of the Americas, As is Hispaniola, your entire argument that Columbus didn't set foot on the American mainland is pretty much moot because regardless he still re-established contact between the new and old world. Columbus' claim to fame isn't even for having re-discovered modern day USA, so I really don't understand the point of your argument other than trying to discredit the achievement of re-discovering the new world with false equivocation.

[QUOTE=Native Hunter;52607006][I]Americas[/I],Cuba is part of the Americas, As is Hispaniola, your entire argument that Columbus didn't set foot on the American mainland is pretty much moot because regardless he still re-established contact between the new and old world. Columbus' claim to fame isn't even for having re-discovered modern day USA, so I really don't understand the point of your argument other than trying to discredit the achievement of re-discovering the new world with false equivocation.[/QUOTE] Except I never said he didn't step foot in America? Sure, he didn't ever come to what is currently the United States, but in that quote right there I even said it for you...

[QUOTE=space1;52607178]Except I never said he didn't step foot in America? Sure, he didn't ever come to what is currently the United States, but in that quote right there I even said it for you...[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=space1;52606702]The only time he ever set foot in "America", was when he set foot in central America. He was lost and terrified, stranded at sea in a hurricane, and then nearly was done in by the natives in battle.[/QUOTE] My point is that your argument makes no sense since stepping foot in America is completely irreverent to what he's attributed for. [QUOTE=space1;52606233]The only historical significance of Christopher Columbus is his incompetence. Infact, he did not rediscover America, he stayed on Cuba, and governed a colony on Hispaniola. The correct explorer you are looking for; [URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amerigo_Vespucci[/URL][/QUOTE] And then you have this, which is completely false since Columbus [b]Did[/b] rediscover the Americas for western europeans, the fact that he stayed on Cuba and Hispaniola being moot. So basically what Im saying is that you're wrong and your argument makes no sense

For fucks sake, stop fighting with immovable historical objects. Generations before you lived not giving a damn about them and rather fought issues real way than mash symbolic art statues. Demolishing/hiding away them simply shows how fragile is a state of mind of those who demand it - sculpture perceived as a friggen national threat capable of warping mind and gloryfing some acts that not even 100% related to the contex of statue itself. Eat your triggers and do real difference.

[QUOTE=grob;52606439]Abraham Lincoln allowed black men to fight as soldiers on the north side as a military tactic. He did not free the slaves. If anything he was hesitant, and only did it to win a losing war. Ya'll wanna talk about "go do your research" though. Funny. -- I implore you, if you find what I said stupid, go actually read the Emancipation Proclamation, not just the wikipedia summary.[/QUOTE] He did free the slaves dood. He might not have done it for the right reasons but he still abolished slavery in the US. Even if Lincoln abolished slavery to push a political agenda, he still abolished slavery. It doesn't really matter what his reasoning was, he still did a good thing.

[QUOTE=Cyke Lon bee;52607821]He did free the slaves dood. He might not have done it for the right reasons but he still abolished slavery in the US. Even if Lincoln abolished slavery to push a political agenda, he still abolished slavery. It doesn't really matter what his reasoning was, he still did a good thing.[/QUOTE] I guess, yeah. Thankful for sure because I sure as hell wouldn't be here if not for that; I'm not knocking him. Just not mixing up history to make a point.

[editline]oh hambugers[/editline]

[QUOTE=Paramud;52611324]Lincoln didn't abolish slavery to push a political agenda, and he didn't do it for any moral reason either. He simply did it because he believed it was the best option for the US. While his decision was obviously the morally correct one, he said that he would have just as easily made the decision to maintain slavery if he thought it would benefit the nation.[/QUOTE] That's pretty much what he just said. What point are you trying to make?

[QUOTE=BelatedGamer;52611344]That's pretty much what he just said. What point are you trying to make?[/QUOTE] Actually, I'm way too tired to be posting, nevermind me.

What the flying fuck is going on in this country?

[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;52603230]Gotta love it. We went from destroying Confederate statues, to defacing busts of Lincoln, to people calling for the destruction of Teddy Roosevelt statues, and now destroying 200+ year statues.[/QUOTE] This is why you don't break the window of destroying historical monuments. It's how any great iconoclasm starts. Lookin' at you, rome.