Marvel Cancelled Fantastic Four Comics Over Film Rights - Sensationalist Headlines

[QUOTE=LZTYBRN;52548517]I feel they wouldn't have killed it off if they felt the hit would have been irreconcilable? I mean even going back to records from 2014, F4 was barely pushing 60k sales a month between two comics combined. as compared to spiderman which sold 101k of ASM, 87k of SSM, and 66k of a oneshot. [url]http://www.comichron.com/monthlycomicssales/2014/2014-08.html[/url][/QUOTE] I feel like thats not all that fair to point out when a bunch of their other comics were barely pushing 30k or 20k. They werent selling the greatest of the bunch but they were doing well above cancellation numbers last i checked. Like Captain "4 #1's in 5 years please buy my comic i beg you" Marvel. She's still going. Doesnt sell. If anything the constant forced pushing of her has destroyed what popularity she did have and made people hate her. See heres the thing, its just movie rights. Its petty anger over movie rights, theres no legitimate justification for it. Theres no long term goal, theres no plan of taking a hit now to recover in the future, its just Ike being petty over not owning something so he takes it out on the other versions of it. [QUOTE=LZTYBRN;52548517]Overall it just seems like they don't really care much about how much MC brings in on the whole, honestly[/QUOTE] No, they try, they try really hard to cheese as much as possible to bring the profits up, they're just really bad at it. #1's boost sales? Constantly restart your numbering for failing books until you milk it so dry the #1 sales boost is practically non existent. Events sell? Milk events until everyone is sick to death of events. Outrage sells? Milk outrage for all its worth until your audience hates you.

It's unfortunate that Marvel probably will never own all their properties considering Fox and Sony are too stubborn to let them go, even if it means they get a huge paycheck. All it takes is for them to make one good movie for any deal between the two become irrelevant.

Petty shit like this is what got me to almost completely ditch Marvel comics and start reading DC. The way they've been treating F4 and the X-Men piss me off so much, even more so for the latter because they're literally the reason I got into Marvel in the first place. Doesn't help that most of their recent comics have been completely shit, or so I've heard. [editline]asdf[/editline] i mean come on [img]http://www.theouthousers.com/images/jce/Zechs/2017/03/ohno.jpg[/img]

[QUOTE=Joazzz;52547821]what do you fear?[/QUOTE] Comics are supposed to be fun. SJWs don't care about fun, they care about identity politics and they're injecting that into the comics.

[QUOTE=WhySoSeriouz;52548805]i mean come on [img]http://www.theouthousers.com/images/jce/Zechs/2017/03/ohno.jpg[/img][/QUOTE] Please tell me in the next panel Magneto crushes that person into mush...

[QUOTE=BlackMageMari;52548827]Please tell me in the next panel Magneto crushes that person into mush...[/QUOTE] Nope, because it was [i]everyone's favorite[/i] Captain Marvel! [img]http://i.imgur.com/kVtah7D.png[/img]

[QUOTE=WhySoSeriouz;52548843]Nope, because it was [i]everyone's favorite[/i] Captain Marvel! [img]http://i.imgur.com/kVtah7D.png[/img][/QUOTE] Please don't tell me they're casting Magneto as the villain here...

[QUOTE=BlackMageMari;52548854]Please don't tell me they're casting Magneto as the villain here...[/QUOTE] Captain Marvel is portrayed as a hero in Civil War 2. A story in which she directly gets War Machine killed, indirectly causes the death of The Hulk, and beats Tony Stark into a coma, all to literally police thoughts and actions that havent happened yet. As a bonus, with the Inhumans, didnt you know that the strange group of royals who are perfectly fine with allowing a cloud to gas all mutants and about a solid 5% of all people it comes into contact with it to death because the ones who survive are the same race as them and become like them are the good guys? Why such a villain who'd try to stop that cloud and dies in the process might as well be Hitler.

[QUOTE=Damjen;52547922]Actually, Marvel repeatedly failed at capitalizing on movies and is bleeding consumers like crazy, while DC (with [I]one[/I] good movie in DCEU) is effectively crushing it in actual sales.[/QUOTE] Really? Is there an actual source on the sales of the movies vs comics with both brands?

[QUOTE=Lambeth;52548924]Really? Is there an actual source on the sales of the movies vs comics with both brands?[/QUOTE] Well, you could look at how the Iron Man trilogy grossed somewhere over 2 billion in total while Invincible Iron Man #8 from June barely managed to squeek over 30,000 units sold or somesuch, which at the $3.99 price tag would be somewhere just over $130,000. [editline]7th August 2017[/editline] Then you look at Japan and One Piece has sold 2,605,418 copies of Volume 84 and 2,283,348 copies of Volume 85 so far this year. What the fuck happened.

[QUOTE=AaronM202;52548987]What the fuck happened.[/QUOTE] [t]http://i.imgur.com/6Q01iEZ.jpg[/t]

[QUOTE=Lambeth;52548924]Really? Is there an actual source on the sales of the movies vs comics with both brands?[/QUOTE] It's hard to gauge any sales thanks to Marvel overshipping (for free) and other LCS (Local Comic Shop) unfriendly tactics so I can mostly give you word of mouth about Marvel books being rarely picked up, but in April (when GotG Vol 2 came out) Guardians of the Galaxy placed 40 with barely 30k sales. It sold less issues than a book about [I]Batwoman[/I]

DC also doesn't have an equivalent to "marvel unlimited"

[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;52550224]DC also doesn't have an equivalent to "marvel unlimited"[/QUOTE] Which, to be fair, is a horrendous product: - The web version is shit and terrible to navigate; the amount of times you have to navigate back just to find the next issue is mindbogglingly bad UX. - The android version is slow, has zero caching and only allows you to offline-download 12 comic issues. I read through that many by the time I finish my train commute. - There is no native Windows app, and the arkweld work-around is terrible with mis-alligned menu's and nonfunctional buttons. I tried it for a month, but actually making use of my subscription was a pain in the ass; I just wanted to re-read spider-man chronologically (release order), but that was such a hassle of going back and forth, searching for the issues, scrolling down hundreds of comics in the wrong order, just to find the next issue. Issues are numbered, release-dated and tagged with a number of meta-data items you can view. It's a software dev's wet dream to work with that dataset. Not being able to build a simple "read list" based on that information is just inexcusable for a product whose sole purpose is to make that happen. As for this decision: I hate that they are doing this, but I understand why they are doing it. If you have a property like GotG and Iron Man, which you can invest in properly, give full support and exploit (in the positive sense) into a franchise within the MCU, merchandising and the whole chain of commercial opportunities, that makes sense from a business perspective. Why would they invest man-hours in producing comics for an IP that's gimped from the get-go? The movies are a huge source of direct and indirect revenue (toys, games, misc merch). At the end of the day Marvel/Disney is a business. I don't agree with the move and it sucks as a fan of the FF, especially since it was their own fault for selling the movie rights, but I do get [i]why[/i] they are prioritising different IP's within the Marvel Universe over FF.

[QUOTE=AaronM202;52548987]Well, you could look at how the Iron Man trilogy grossed somewhere over 2 billion in total while Invincible Iron Man #8 from June barely managed to squeek over 30,000 units sold or somesuch, which at the $3.99 price tag would be somewhere just over $130,000. [editline]7th August 2017[/editline] Then you look at Japan and One Piece has sold 2,605,418 copies of Volume 84 and 2,283,348 copies of Volume 85 so far this year. What the fuck happened.[/QUOTE] Politics happened. I actually saw the post where I predicted this would happen when Disney's politics and Marvel poltics started interacting on AvPGalaxy and checked over the names on the people whom argued with me about it going to happen back then, and none of them read comics anymore. That's the infuriating part. Marvel is literally destroying themselves based on allowing politics to dictate content, and for every Kamala there are ten Captain Marvels in their roster now. When you have to go to the Direct Competition to work on a book about a super powered family and the dynamics thereof, why would you ever want to work for Marvel again? Not only are they fucking over themselves short term, they're diminishing those who would care about the art form to begin with. Completely fucking idiotic.

what's sad is that there are a couple of marvel series that are actually good in terms of writing and art, but then somehow one way or another they've all started turning to shit at the same time (hulk, gwenpool) at least i'll always have image comics to fall back on.

[QUOTE=WhySoSeriouz;52548843]Nope, because it was [i]everyone's favorite[/i] Captain Marvel! [img]http://i.imgur.com/kVtah7D.png[/img][/QUOTE] Didn't they try to backpedal on this super hard by saying "No guys Carol just didn't know he's a Holocaust survivor!" or something?

More like the writer didn't know.