Report: Shooter opens fire on GOP congressmen at baseball practice - Sensationalist Headlines

[QUOTE=Whoaly;52359383]It's kind of refreshing, but also scary to see people in this thread putting their money where their mouth is and taking previous rhetoric about the GOP and the right to its logical conclusion. If you truly believe that the Republicans are as bad as many democrats have been saying, you don't have to walk far to find yourself heading down "violence is justified" street.[/QUOTE] The fact that you think it's a short and "logical" hop from "[I]Republicans support backwards and damaging legislation[/I]" to "[I]We need to kill Republicans[/I]" says a hell of a lot more about you than it does about anybody else.

[QUOTE=OmniConsUme;52359382]There is a another problem, You guys need also realized each time this happens it turns out like this people double down on Trump Defense because they think that their way of life is under a fucking attack and the left is becoming like ISIS in the view of the right.[/QUOTE] Whose fault is it when your view of the world is so warped that you think socialist policies can't be paid for, and implementing them needs some kind of imaginary money tree? Whose fault is it when you'd rather see people starve or die of treatable illnesses because they don't have money to spend, but paying for that would mean a few hundred extra tax dollars? Whose fault is it when the ruling party has sold the country to a handful of businessmen in the state cabinet? I'm all for discourse and politics being a two way street, but when either side puts fingers in its ears or gives out some nebulous bullshit reason why sensible policies shouldn't be introduced for the common good of the country, instead of some bootstraps bullshit, or says that everybody supporting right wing policies are the Devil given human form, you're going to go nowhere fast. At one point, people have to be educated better when making their choices, and learn to make hard choices instead of choosing the easy path.

[QUOTE=Anti Christ;52359272]GOP Congress members are not innocent. In fact, they are the problem.[/QUOTE] As much as I'm against corruption and hate politics and the money that flows thru our government. You're forgetting one key fact - EVERYONE is innocent till proven guilty, republican or democrat. [QUOTE=Anti Christ;52359296]I guess I don't consider this to be cold blood[/QUOTE] People like you are the problem. You sound like a sociopath.

[QUOTE=Vodkavia;52359398]Saying Trump had nothing to do with this shooting is like saying Louis XVI had nothing to do with the french revolution tbh.[/QUOTE] I'd say the problem is more Paul Ryan than Donald Trump. If President Trump had been the President I expected him to be I think people would be happier right now, but he has allowed Paul Ryan to set the legislative agenda. Paul Ryan is an anarcho-liberal who probably sees people dying for being unable to get health insurance as something healthy and positive for the free market. Candidate Trump was supposed to be against that.

[QUOTE=Whoaly;52359427]I'd say the problem is more Paul Ryan than Donald Trump. If President Trump had been the President I expected him to be I think people would be happier right now, but he has allowed Paul Ryan to set the legislative agenda. Paul Ryan is an anarcho-liberal who probably sees people dying for being unable to get health insurance as something healthy and positive for the free market. Candidate Trump was supposed to be against that.[/QUOTE] There's also the small point that Candidate Trump was a pathological liar and crooked conman who cares only about himself, but ok.

[QUOTE=Anti Christ;52359272]GOP Congress members are not innocent. In fact, they are the problem.[/QUOTE] This is a disgusting display of condoning terrorism [QUOTE=Whoaly;52359383]It's kind of refreshing, but also scary to see people in this thread putting their money where their mouth is and taking previous rhetoric about the GOP and the right to its logical conclusion. If you truly believe that the Republicans are as bad as many democrats have been saying, you don't have to walk far to find yourself heading down "violence is justified" street.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Whoaly;52359427]I'd say the problem is more Paul Ryan than Donald Trump. If President Trump had been the President I expected him to be I think people would be happier right now, but he has allowed Paul Ryan to set the legislative agenda. Paul Ryan is an anarcho-liberal who probably sees people dying for being unable to get health insurance as something healthy and positive for the free market. Candidate Trump was supposed to be against that.[/QUOTE] You can't talk about the dangers of extreme political rhetoric and then back up a man who [url=https://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/10/us/politics/donald-trump-hillary-clinton.html]mused[/url] that "Second Amendment people" could "do something" about his political opponent if she won. AFAIK, Paul Ryan has not said anything as abhorrent as that

[QUOTE=Whoaly;52359427][b]Paul Ryan is an anarcho-liberal[/b] who probably sees people dying for being unable to get health insurance as something healthy and positive for the free market. [b]Candidate Trump was supposed to be against that.[/b][/QUOTE] :what:

[QUOTE=TheJoey;52358474]is this what you guys worry and scheme about when a politically motivated attempted killing, and potentially mass shooting happens? people got shot and the thread is just gonna get shit up with "bcuz turnip didnt say somethin stupid it wuznt him it wuz some1 else :downs: " you have problems.[/QUOTE] Of course they're thinking about this incident from a political angle, this is a political incident. It is all about politics. Literally the only reason anyone even gives a shit about this is because of politics. People die literally all the time and no one bats an eye. Meanwhile, this incident didn't even kill anyone. It's only considered important because the people involved in it are tied to politics.

[QUOTE=Whoaly;52359427]I'd say the problem is more Paul Ryan than Donald Trump. If President Trump had been the President I expected him to be I think people would be happier right now, but he has allowed Paul Ryan to set the legislative agenda. Paul Ryan is an anarcho-liberal who probably sees people dying for being unable to get health insurance as something healthy and positive for the free market. Candidate Trump was supposed to be against that.[/QUOTE] Weren't you just in another thread talking about being disappointed that Trump wasn't living up to his promises? Maybe it has nothing to do with Ryan. Maybe Trump just lies to get power. [QUOTE=Tudd;52359163] Also Trump isn't pleased with the current healthcare bill aswell in a way that you might agree with. [url]http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/13/politics/trump-senators-health-care-white-house-meeting/index.html[/url][/QUOTE] So why does he have to pussyfoot around telling Congressmen this? He is the President. He can tell the Republicans exactly what he wants. He can pressure them into doing this by using his social media presence. He could mention his support for sweeping health reform on a level surpassing Obamacare at his rallies, or during a press conference. Instead its half-hearted requests for the bill to be "nicer", whatever the fuck that means. Trump isn't interested in healthcare. His budget request calls for $800 billion in cuts for Medicaid. You're never going to convince anyone else here otherwise. [editline]14th June 2017[/editline] From your own source [QUOTE] But the comment belies the celebratory Rose Garden ceremony Trump hosted earlier this year when the House passed the bill and the President championed it as "incredibly well crafted."[/QUOTE] and [QUOTE] Additionally, according to Senate rules, the bill passed through the body has to save $133 billion, the same amount of money as the House bill. That leaves Trump and Senate Republicans with little flexibility on spending. While they can spend more money on certain areas, they still have to hit the $133 billion marker to comply with Senate rules.[/QUOTE] The Senate version isn't going to be much different, and it isn't going to be as good as Obamacare. Trump knows this and he doesn't care. He wants healthcare reform that can be passed, regardless of how "mean" it is.

[QUOTE=Zonesylvania;52359434]There's also the small point that Candidate Trump was a pathological liar and crooked conman who cares only about himself, but ok.[/QUOTE] Yes, shame about that. [QUOTE=Raidyr;52359453]Weren't you just in another thread talking about being disappointed that Trump wasn't living up to his promises? Maybe it has nothing to do with Ryan. Maybe Trump just lies to get power. [/QUOTE] That's what I'm saying, if Trump had been consistent with his promises Paul Ryan would be kept in check.

[QUOTE=Raidyr;52359410]I don't think anyone needs to be shot, but I can understand where the motivation to take things into your own hands comes from. The fact of the matter is that these congressman hold a huge amount of power over peoples lives. There are tens of millions of people who face literal poverty, homelessness, or [I]death[/I] over the things that Republican senators who make hundreds of thousands or millions of dollars a year bicker about on Capitol Hill. I'm frankly surprised it took this long for someone to snap. Doesn't make it right, but it shouldn't be unexpected either.[/QUOTE] This is how I see this event as well. I obviously condemn it on every angle but I see why it happened and I'm honestly surprised it hasn't happened sooner. The political divide in this country has become almost comically stark to the point where each side is fine and dandy with entirely dehumanizing the other (wow, is this where I finally break and pull out the "both sides" rhetoric? How far I've fallen...). Things like the internet and mass media have made it really easy to think of people with political oppositions as blank-faced evil when that's really not the case, which is something that I can say with confidence as a pretty firm leftist in the heart of Texas that gets along just fine. But at the same time, I really do think that there are people out there with truly harmful views that put me and my friends at risk, so I can't really fault anyone who harbors fear for people of the other side. People boil down political stances to just "opinions" but that's reductionist, especially with their implications. It's a tough time with no easy answers. All you can really hope is that things improve.

[QUOTE=Whoaly;52359506]Yes, shame about that. That's what I'm saying, if Trump had been consistent with his promises Paul Ryan would be kept in check.[/QUOTE] Paul Ryan isn't some kind of shadow government here. Donald Trump is responsible for the decisions made by Donald Trump, and Donald Trump alone. Donald Trump has shown no signs of caring for the poor or downtrodden except during one of his rhetoric filled speeches, has been known among other things, to deny black people places in his apartment blocks, and literally has ties to the Mafia.

[QUOTE=Duck M.;52359514]This is how I see this event as well. I obviously condemn it on every angle but I see why it happened and I'm honestly surprised it hasn't happened sooner. The political divide in this country has become almost comically stark to the point where each side is fine and dandy with entirely dehumanizing the other (wow, is this where I finally break and pull out the "both sides" rhetoric? How far I've fallen...). Things like the internet and mass media have made it really easy to think of people with political oppositions as blank-faced evil when that's really not the case, which is something that I can say with confidence as a pretty firm leftist in the heart of Texas that gets along just fine. But at the same time, I really do think that there are people out there with truly harmful views that put me and my friends at risk, so I can't really fault anyone who harbors fear for people of the other side. People boil down political stances to just "opinions" but that's reductionist, especially with their implications. It's a tough time with no easy answers. All you can really hope is that things improve.[/QUOTE] [media]https://twitter.com/DegenRolf/status/871792652022427648[/media] from Science.

[QUOTE=TheJoey;52358474]is this what you guys worry and scheme about when a politically motivated attempted killing, and potentially mass shooting happens? people got shot and the thread is just gonna get shit up with "bcuz turnip didnt say somethin stupid it wuznt him it wuz some1 else :downs: " you have problems.[/QUOTE] This is likely not a trump tweet, its using full sentences and punctuation.

[QUOTE=Whoaly;52359427]I'd say the problem is more Paul Ryan than Donald Trump. If President Trump had been the President I expected him to be I think people would be happier right now, but he has allowed Paul Ryan to set the legislative agenda. Paul Ryan is an anarcho-liberal who probably sees people dying for being unable to get health insurance as something healthy and positive for the free market. Candidate Trump was supposed to be against that.[/QUOTE] you got fooled ya dingo

Some of these comments are straight up insane - what is evening happening. Nothing like raining bullets down on a bunch of unarmed politicians because you disagree with them, right guys? /s I mean, someone mentioned that "country was born" like this. Please, if you think that read this: [url]https://www.bl.uk/the-american-revolution/articles/american-revolution-timeline[/url] (it is like 5 minutes of reading) I can't imagine that people genuinely excited about violence like this. Would those people also justify supporters of the GOP getting shot because reasons? Ugh, some of the comments in this thread leave me for a lack of words at how insane this is.

[QUOTE=OvB;52359289]Figure of speech so to speak. We're nowhere near the time where violence may be warranted. This petty shit is indefensible.[/QUOTE] Nor did I say it was defensible. It seems you responded to the wrong person, then, if your response wasn't meant to be taken as you said it. Basically what you're saying is that your response to me was "when the time is right", which isn't a proper response to the question I posed.

[QUOTE=Zonesylvania;52359520]Paul Ryan isn't some kind of shadow government here. Donald Trump is responsible for the decisions made by Donald Trump, and Donald Trump alone. Donald Trump has shown no signs of caring for the poor or downtrodden except during one of his rhetoric filled speeches, has been known among other things, to deny black people places in his apartment blocks, and literally has ties to the Mafia.[/QUOTE] Ryan is very much a shadow government, just without the shadow. It's plain to see that Trump has no guiding vision of his own, and no interest in the nitty-gritty of actually doing the work to govern, so he delegates major decision making to people who look and sound smart and capable to him. Just look at the recent news that General Mattis will be deciding on troop numbers for Afghanistan. Yes, it's Trump's fault that these men are running things, but their decisions are still theirs. Trump is supremely petty as well: even if a small part of him knows that it's is wrong to take-away people's healthcare he's still going to do it because the overriding goal of his presidency and his campaign for said presidency is to get back at Obama for roasting him at that correspondents dinner. Even if he knows it's wrong on some level (which he probably doesn't) he's still going to allow Paul Ryan to dismantle Obamacare without offering a "terrific" replacement, because he wants to watch, and more importantly make Obama watch, as any sign that Obama had ever been President is wiped from the face of the earth.

[QUOTE=Whoaly;52359650]Ryan is very much a shadow government, just without the shadow. It's plain to see that Trump has no guiding vision of his own, and no interest in the nitty-gritty of actually doing the work to govern, so he delegates major decision making to people who look and sound smart and capable to him. Just look at the recent news that General Mattis will be deciding on troop numbers for Afghanistan. Yes, it's Trump's fault that these men are running things, but their decisions are still theirs. Trump is supremely petty as well: even if a small part of him knows that it's is wrong to take-away people's healthcare he's still going to do it because the overriding goal of his presidency and his campaign for said presidency is to get back at Obama for roasting him at that correspondents dinner. Even if he knows it's wrong on some level (which he probably doesn't) he's still going to allow Paul Ryan to dismantle Obamacare without offering a "terrific" replacement, because he wants to watch, and more importantly make Obama watch, as any sign that Obama had ever been President is wiped from the face of the earth.[/QUOTE] I never thought I would agree with you

NPR reports that congressman Scalise (shot in hip) may now be in critical condition. No article because I just heard it on the radio a minute ago. [Editline] h[/editline] CNN confirms [url]http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/14/politics/alexandria-virginia-shooting/index.html[/url]

[QUOTE=Doom14;52358987]First Reaction =/= Never. He's saying if the first thing you do is use a violent act as an [B]immediate [/B]springboard to complain about your political whatsits, you [I]need help.[/I][/QUOTE] Why do you guys keep using this phrase "you need help"? How many of you actually knew anyone involved in this incident? How many of you know somebody that knew somebody involved? What, are you telling me you're wracked with emotion and tears every time somebody a thousand miles away gets shot? Who really gives a shit? It's posts on an internet gaming forum, not a speech at a wake, stop being so melodramatic.

[QUOTE=srobins;52359685]What, are you telling me you're wracked with emotion and tears every time somebody a thousand miles away gets shot? Who really gives a shit?[/QUOTE] A lot of people

Imagine thinking that violence is the solution while living in a country where you get to vote for a new leaders in 2-4 years, totally changing the trajectory of the country.

[QUOTE=geel9;52359622]Nor did I say it was defensible. It seems you responded to the wrong person, then, if your response wasn't meant to be taken as you said it. Basically what you're saying is that your response to me was "when the time is right", which isn't a proper response to the question I posed.[/QUOTE] I'm not responding to you personally. It's just a comment because people (not necessarily you) seem to be okay with violence for something relatively minor.

[QUOTE=sgman91;52359734]Imagine thinking that violence is the solution while living in a country where you get to vote for a new leaders in 2-4 years, totally changing the trajectory of the country.[/QUOTE] But the rhetoric that our current "leader" spews doesn't help

[QUOTE=kijji;52359738]But the rhetoric that our current "leader" spews doesn't help[/QUOTE] As if this is the first or last time leaders will spout stupid and hurtful rhetoric. This isn't new. It's not surprising. That's why we have elections, democratic systems, and term limits for the president. When Trump disallows voting, destroys the court system, or shuts down congress, then talk violence.

My dad is going bananas saying this is Kathy Griffins fault and that she should be charged with inciting a riot. :v:

[QUOTE=ZakkShock;52359771]My dad is going bananas saying this is Kathy Griffins fault and that she should be charged with inciting a riot. :v:[/QUOTE] The Heated attacks did nothing good, because some of the words the left was using did imply some violence, but that is normal humanity thing. Kathy was the first where she took it too far,

I'd say it was inevitable that we would see violence from people on the loosing side of this election, the only difference is that if Trump had lost it might have started sooner.

[QUOTE=ZakkShock;52359771]My dad is going bananas saying this is Kathy Griffins fault and that she should be charged with inciting a riot. :v:[/QUOTE] Hey, at least he's in good company with people like Paul Krugman, a well respected writer for the NYT. As I pointed out earlier in the thread, his first response to the shooting of Gabrielle Giffords was to blame republicans generally.