Taskforce Regarder crush cars as police crack down on hoons - including an R33 Skyline and a 180SX! - Sensationalist Headlines

[QUOTE=highvoltage;53077593]"How do we detour street racing after we impound a car that was modified specifically for street racing? Oouu I know. Let's sell the car back to the public so somebody else can buy it and race in it." It's really a no brainer why they are doing this[/QUOTE] Since destroying the car does absolutely nothing to reduce the availability of street racing cars, it makes no difference whether they sell it back to the public or destroy it. It's not like there's a finite supply of racing cars and if you keep crushing them it will get harder and harder for racers to race. Anyone can readily buy one either way. Someone who would be interested in buying an impounded car to race with could just as easily buy one on the regular market. It might make you feel good to see the offending car get crushed, but it's not doing anything useful. [QUOTE=highvoltage;53077593]You can cry that it's a waste but what else can they do that won't end up feeding the problem?[/QUOTE] Like I said, sell it, and put the proceeds towards law enforcement and other measures intended to curb street racing to begin with. Selling them back at market price isn't 'feeding the problem' when it can't make street racing any more available than it already is.

[QUOTE=catbarf;53077877]It's not like there's a finite supply of racing cars[/QUOTE] ... There literally is.

[QUOTE=AtomicSans;53077886]... There literally is.[/QUOTE] Unless Australia has completely banned the import of new-production high-performance cars and aftermarket parts, there literally isn't.

Hey guys I got a controversial idea, how about we seize the car then auction it back to the racer, then when they get caught racing we seize the car and [i]do it all over again[/i], bankrupting the illegal racers AND make money! [sp]I'm not serious[/sp]

[QUOTE=catbarf;53077909]Unless Australia has completely banned the import of new-production high-performance cars and aftermarket parts, there literally isn't.[/QUOTE] There functionally is though. If it's not in production anymore, there's only so many on the market. If it is still in production, well, when the Toyota 86 came out, they were sold out everywhere within months, there's a multi-year backorder on getting Mustangs, etc. [editline]25th January 2018[/editline] As for imports If it's newer than 25 years old, it must have no AuDM version to be imported. So, I could import a brand new Kei car from Japan, but not a brand new WRX. That cuts out a lot of performance cars. Cars newer than 30 years old must be RHD, so that means you can only import from the UK or Japan unless you're buying vintage, again cutting out a lot of cars from easy importation. You can of course import something like a Camaro and convert it to RHD, but that puts the cost of the car up to $150k-ish for a bone stock Camaro.

[QUOTE=Grenadiac;53077640]Rare & classic cars should not be destroyed just because someone drove them recklessly. What an asinine comparison. I don't personally have much interest in import/tuner cars but Skylines aren't exactly dime a dozen. If the driver cared about the car itself he wouldn't have been street racing it, you aren't making a point to him by crushing it. All you're doing is impacting his wallet.[/QUOTE] None of the cars that were crushed are rare haha. Any bogan with $5,000 to blow can get their hands on an R33 GTS. Add a few thousand more for a GTS-T.

In the UK at least there's loads of issues surrounding local governments selling off shit that people either didn't want or has been confiscated, chances are they'd love to sell them off and get some extra cash but their legal departments have said it's going to be a minefield so just crush them rather than risk the migraine.

[QUOTE=Grenadiac;53077640]Rare & classic cars should not be destroyed just because someone drove them recklessly. What an asinine comparison. I don't personally have much interest in import/tuner cars but Skylines aren't exactly dime a dozen. If the driver cared about the car itself he wouldn't have been street racing it, you aren't making a point to him by crushing it. All you're doing is impacting his wallet.[/QUOTE] Ute's aren't exactly rare, and the type of skyline they're crushing isn't one you'd want to buy. It's one thats been overmodded as hell, probably illegally, and has been utterly ruined.

[QUOTE=TacticalBacon;53078051]There functionally is though. If it's not in production anymore, there's only so many on the market. If it is still in production, well, when the Toyota 86 came out, they were sold out everywhere within months, there's a multi-year backorder on getting Mustangs, etc. [editline]25th January 2018[/editline] As for imports If it's newer than 25 years old, it must have no AuDM version to be imported. So, I could import a brand new Kei car from Japan, but not a brand new WRX. That cuts out a lot of performance cars. Cars newer than 30 years old must be RHD, so that means you can only import from the UK or Japan unless you're buying vintage, again cutting out a lot of cars from easy importation. You can of course import something like a Camaro and convert it to RHD, but that puts the cost of the car up to $150k-ish for a bone stock Camaro.[/QUOTE] Alright, that's fair. If it's genuinely difficult to impossible to buy this kind of car (not a specific model, but performance cars in general, unless you consider a racer just switching vehicles as a win), then I can see the justification for destroying it rather than reselling. But if we're talking about cars that anyone can get, then there's not much reason to destroy it. BF is saying anyone can get their hands on a Skyline, so what purpose is being served by crushing it if it's not actually preventing anyone from getting one?

[QUOTE=catbarf;53078893]Alright, that's fair. If it's genuinely difficult to impossible to buy this kind of car (not a specific model, but performance cars in general, unless you consider a racer just switching vehicles as a win), then I can see the justification for destroying it rather than reselling. But if we're talking about cars that anyone can get, then there's not much reason to destroy it. BF is saying anyone can get their hands on a Skyline, so what purpose is being served by crushing it if it's not actually preventing anyone from getting one?[/QUOTE] Cars have more worth than merely the $ cost of the car and upgrades. They very often have sentimental value that cannot be easily replaced, and most of these cars would have been highly modified (over many years) to suit the owner's tastes. Crushing the cars is therefore a harsh but just punishment. So even if the owner did have the money to buy it back at auction if it were originally confiscated from him, it's impossible to do that if it were crushed. The purpose is to teach that owner a lesson: Don't be a reckless moron and do illegal street racing, or else your pride and joy will be crushed. [editline]25th January 2018[/editline] [QUOTE=ThurnisHaley;53077431]Yea sell the car, make money for the government. Also does Australia have the same drag strip problems america does? Here people build and buy homes around drag strips, then complain about the noise and shut them down, then complain when organized street racing becomes a problem. If so then use that money to build more strips.[/QUOTE] I don't think drag strips are as popular as they used to be here, but there are permanent race circuits in each state which are open on weekends. Admittedly there aren't as many as eg in the UK, but that should be no excuse for people to drive dangerously on public roads. If 99% of drivers can do the right thing, surely the last 1% can do so as well.

If they were crushing a 1996 Ferrari F50 GT you guys would be singing a different tune, since literally only 3 were ever built and only 2 were ever sold to the public.

Strip the bitch and put it back to around factory spec then auction it. Make a bit of cake for the cops and humiliate the driver by making his baby bare and putting it in the hands of a dad [editline]24th January 2018[/editline] [QUOTE=GoldenDargon;53079070]If they were crushing a 1996 Ferrari F50 GT you guys would be singing a different tune, since literally only 3 were ever built and only 2 were ever sold to the public.[/QUOTE] If someone ruins a nice painting in your house its a shame, if someone destroys a piece of davincis art itd be a goddamn travesty Obviously a finite, rare item makes less sense to destroy

There is a big street racing culture here in south florida (i go to watch but my car is too slow to participate) and they tried crushing some peoples cars, problem is they only caught the slow ass civics and stuff, any of the 1000hp R35 GTRS and twin turbo mustangs and CTS-Vs all get away, so it didnt really deter the street racers, infact they got mad and did donuts outside police stations and street racing very loudly on roads near pedestrians, until the cops here stopped crushing cars. I remember they crushed a old santa looking guys 70 barracuda, and he didnt even street race, he got it taken away and they crushed it and said it was a street racer until the guy came out and spoke the truth, that sure did piss alot of people off.

[QUOTE=ThurnisHaley;53079177]There is a big street racing culture here in south florida (i go to watch but my car is too slow to participate) and they tried crushing some peoples cars, problem is they only caught the slow ass civics and stuff, any of the 1000hp R35 GTRS and twin turbo mustangs and CTS-Vs all get away, so it didnt really deter the street racers, infact they got mad and did donuts outside police stations and street racing very loudly on roads near pedestrians, until the cops here stopped crushing cars. I remember they crushed a old santa looking guys 70 barracuda, and he didnt even street race, he got it taken away and they crushed it and said it was a street racer until the guy came out and spoke the truth, that sure did piss alot of people off.[/QUOTE] Australian police are rather different to US police, eg when was the last time you heard of a scandal involving Australian police? I trust Australian police to do the right thing and not just crush anyone's car. Also it's not like the police are merely turning up to these meets in their highway patrol cars and chasing the baddies. The taskforce includes detectives and intelligence officers involved in evidence gathering, and they are getting warrants to arrest these people and seize their cars based on the collected evidence, so they are obviously taking a smart approach to this. [editline]25th January 2018[/editline] [QUOTE=GoldenDargon;53079070]If they were crushing a 1996 Ferrari F50 GT you guys would be singing a different tune, since literally only 3 were ever built and only 2 were ever sold to the public.[/QUOTE] Nope. If someone here had an F50 GT (which no one here has, because none of them were made for driving on the left) and were endangering lives by driving like a moron on public roads, so be it. Their recklessness would have caused an F50 GT to get destroyed, and Ferrari would blacklist that owner from ever buying a brand new Ferrari ever again. These morons should be aware of what will happen to their cars if they are caught. If someone had an F50 GT, was aware of the punishment for illegal racing, went on to continue doing the illegal racing anyways and got caught, it's 100% on them for being a moron.

[QUOTE=GoldenDargon;53079070]If they were crushing a 1996 Ferrari F50 GT you guys would be singing a different tune, since literally only 3 were ever built and only 2 were ever sold to the public.[/QUOTE] Yea, but they're not. And anyone who would pay the millions for a 1 of a kind car wouldn't be taking it to races of any variety. So whats the point of this post? If they were crushing Patton's personal jeep I'd be pretty miffed, but they're not, so who cares. Quit acting like theyre crushing precious rare cars. Theyre crushing ruined skylines and overmodded utes. Who cares about these shitty cars being taken to the crusher? If you think this is bad, you should see what they do in junk yards.

Despite all the arguments put forth, I am still against crushing cars that belonged to street racers both on the execution, and also on the principle of it. A heavy fine would do the trick of teaching them a lesson just as well as crushing their car, and you don't have to waste cars that aren't in production anymore doing it. I don't care if the Skyline isn't a GTR and that there's still plenty of 180SX's.

[QUOTE=Itsjustguy;53077682]There were enough cars made to not cry about a few getting crushed. It's not like they were stock anyway.[/QUOTE] There aren't that many stock skylines left to begin with [editline]25th January 2018[/editline] [QUOTE=No Party Hats;53079085]Strip the bitch and put it back to around factory spec then auction it. Make a bit of cake for the cops and humiliate the driver by making his baby bare and putting it in the hands of a dad [editline]24th January 2018[/editline] If someone ruins a nice painting in your house its a shame, if someone destroys a piece of davincis art itd be a goddamn travesty Obviously a finite, rare item makes less sense to destroy[/QUOTE] they would probably spend more money bringing it back to stock than they'd make off it

[QUOTE=*Freezorg*;53079727]Despite all the arguments put forth, I am still against crushing cars that belonged to street racers both on the execution, and also on the principle of it. A heavy fine would do the trick of teaching them a lesson just as well as crushing their car, and you don't have to waste cars that aren't in production anymore doing it. I don't care if the Skyline isn't a GTR and that there's still plenty of 180SX's.[/QUOTE] Aussie cops arent wasting cars by crushing them. Street racers are wasting cars and getting them crushed because they cant follow laws.

[QUOTE=Cyke Lon bee;53079740]Aussie cops arent wasting cars by crushing them. Street racers are wasting cars and getting them crushed because they cant follow laws.[/QUOTE] Yeah, that's a very clever retort of you but no. Yeah, these guys shouldn't be street racing the cars, but the aussie cops are the ones deciding that the cars should be crushed, and I'm saying that's a bad decision because there's people who want these cars that aren't gonna be street racing them. If I happen to want a rare car and I can't find any because it's a car loved by street racers, and they're getting caught and having their cars crushed, and the police are crushing these cars instead of auctioning them to others that might want them, of course I'm gonna be mad at the cops for crushing these cars; The street racers didn't total these cars in a crash but now the police are doing the job for them and I still can't get the car I want because the police thinks this is what the just punishment is. [B]I'm not interested[/B] in what the police wants or thinks, and I do absolutely think that their authority on this subject should be put into question, I want to buy the damn car and there's other ways to make sure that the guy doesn't buy back the car. And my point was that heavily fining, or jailing, street racers is just as effective as crushing the car.

[QUOTE=GoldenDargon;53079070]If they were crushing a 1996 Ferrari F50 GT you guys would be singing a different tune, since literally only 3 were ever built and only 2 were ever sold to the public.[/QUOTE] A dumbfuck hoon wouldn't be able to afford a 1996 Ferrari F50 GT so your point is completely irrelevant [editline]25th January 2018[/editline] [QUOTE=*Freezorg*;53079744]Yeah, that's a very clever retort of you but no. Yeah, these guys shouldn't be street racing the cars, but the aussie cops are the ones deciding that the cars should be crushed, and I'm saying that's a bad decision because there's people who want these cars that aren't gonna be street racing them. If I happen to want a rare car and I can't find any because it's a car loved by street racers, and they're getting caught and having their cars crushed, and the police are crushing these cars instead of auctioning them to others that might want them, of course I'm gonna be mad at the cops for crushing these cars; The street racers didn't total these cars in a crash but now the police are doing the job for them and I still can't get the car I want because the police thinks this is what the just punishment is. [B]I'm not interested[/B] in what the police wants or thinks, and I do absolutely think that their authority on this subject should be put into question, I want to buy the damn car and there's other ways to make sure that the guy doesn't buy back the car. And my point was that heavily fining, or jailing, street racers is just as effective as crushing the car.[/QUOTE] People who want those cars should be pissed off at the dickheads that put the cars in the position of being crushed by driving like cunts instead of the police who are trying to uphold laws. Besides, like said before, auctioning the car: mate of the owner could buy it in the auction and get paid back later. effectively achieving nothing. crush the car and there's no way the cunts gonna get it back. [editline]25th January 2018[/editline] [QUOTE=*Freezorg*;53079744]And my point was that heavily fining, or jailing, street racers is just as effective as crushing the car.[/QUOTE] obviously not because heavy fines haven't been enough in the past.

To everyone asking why they didn't sell the cars, they do [quote="http://www.police.vic.gov.au/content.asp?document_id=32184"] If a person is found guilty of [B]three hoon-related offences inside three years[/B], their vehicle can be permanently forfeited by the court. Upon such a court order being granted, these vehicles can then be disposed of in a manner determined by the Chief Commissioner of Police. If the forfeited vehicle is [B]sold by the State of Victoria[/B], the proceeds from the sale will be retained by the State of Victoria. Alternatively, the vehicle may be crushed or otherwise disposed of by police.[/QUOTE] If it's possible to sell the car / it's particularly rare, they will. But these were fairly common cars that were probably illegal to even have on the road.

The whole "There's a lot of them left anyway" attitude is what makes those cars go extinct. Kadett C Cities used to be one of the most popular cars in the Netherlands, now I've got one of the only driving models left. The only Cities I've seen so far were rusted beyond repair or wrecked.

[QUOTE=*Freezorg*;53079744]Yeah, that's a very clever retort of you but no. Yeah, these guys shouldn't be street racing the cars, but the aussie cops are the ones deciding that the cars should be crushed, and I'm saying that's a bad decision because there's people who want these cars that aren't gonna be street racing them. If I happen to want a rare car and I can't find any because it's a car loved by street racers, and they're getting caught and having their cars crushed, and the police are crushing these cars instead of auctioning them to others that might want them, of course I'm gonna be mad at the cops for crushing these cars; The street racers didn't total these cars in a crash but now the police are doing the job for them and I still can't get the car I want because the police thinks this is what the just punishment is. [B]I'm not interested[/B] in what the police wants or thinks, and I do absolutely think that their authority on this subject should be put into question, I want to buy the damn car and there's other ways to make sure that the guy doesn't buy back the car. And my point was that heavily fining, or jailing, street racers is just as effective as crushing the car.[/QUOTE] Bottom line is still the same. If these racers dont want their cars crushed, maybe they shouldnt race them. And again, youre not going to want one of these cars that are modded so past their factory default that the only original part is the frame. You wouldn't be buying a skyline or a ute if they decided to auction them, youd be buying some modded wreck of a car that kinda looks like a skyline.

[QUOTE=Cyke Lon bee;53080766]Bottom line is still the same. If these racers dont want their cars crushed, maybe they shouldnt race them. And again, youre not going to want one of these cars that are modded so past their factory default that the only original part is the frame. You wouldn't be buying a skyline or a ute if they decided to auction them, youd be buying some modded wreck of a car that kinda looks like a skyline.[/QUOTE] Just being law of the land doesn't make it right though. You'd be singing a different tune if it was about California crushing confiscated "assault weapons" & I know you would because I know you.

[QUOTE=Grenadiac;53081140]Just being law of the land doesn't make it right though. You'd be singing a different tune if it was about California crushing confiscated "assault weapons" & I know you would because I know you.[/QUOTE] I wouldnt agree with the law but ultimately if you dont want your guns smashed, dont do illegal shit with them. I mean, thats basically what they do now with confiscated weapons. If they were smashing priceless antiques, that would be a different story, but theyre not. Theyre smashing production cars that have been utterly ruined by racers.