Doctor forcibly removed from overbooked United Airlines flight shown bloodied and confused - Sensationalist Headlines

[t]https://68.media.tumblr.com/0c529086b4b3f6d9ed765dabbb9384c0/tumblr_ooayewg9V31u4vvmko3_540.png[/t] so apparently they pulled the records of the wrong doctor can't confirm a source right now, just tossing this into the sea of piss

[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;52094228]judging by his medical record and current stipulations on practice from his trading drugs for sex, I doubt he's doing any real life saving work.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=lintz;52094943][t]https://68.media.tumblr.com/0c529086b4b3f6d9ed765dabbb9384c0/tumblr_ooayewg9V31u4vvmko3_540.png[/t] so apparently they pulled the records of the wrong doctor can't confirm a source right now, just tossing this into the sea of piss[/QUOTE] If this is true, OOOPS, let's add defamation to the list of things this doctor can sue over. :v:

As always I'm amazed by people defending blatantly exploitive corporate practices. It's like a disturbing form of mundane Stockholm syndrome in which you show more care about a company's profit margins than another human being and fellow consumer getting absolutely shafted. Every one of those threads just proves to me that real life is stranger than fiction. I bet that if the Alien movie was real, you guys would literally be arguing that Weyland Yutani was perfectly within their rights to transport xenomorphs on their company property in spite of their employees well-being. Even in that right wing "dog eat dog, I've got mine so fuck you" attitude, you're supposed to look out for yourself, as in, look out and make sure you're role as a consumer isn't in an awful position where you have no rights or leverage.

Some people here have some pretty gnarly authority boners

[QUOTE=Menien Goneld;52095006]As always I'm amazed by people defending blatantly exploitive corporate practices. It's like a disturbing form of mundane Stockholm syndrome in which you show more care about a company's profit margins than another human being and fellow consumer getting absolutely shafted. Every one of those threads just proves to me that real life is stranger than fiction. I bet that if the Alien movie was real, you guys would literally be arguing that Weyland Yutani was perfectly within their rights to transport xenomorphs on their company property in spite of their employees well-being. Even in that right wing "dog eat dog, I've got mine so fuck you" attitude, you're supposed to look out for yourself, as in, look out and make sure you're role as a consumer isn't in an awful position where you have no rights or leverage.[/QUOTE] If you insist? I mean in my opinion my role as a consumer is in a good place and so is it for most people. All I really desire is for more airlines to adopt a reverse auction to make this sticky situations much less common.

wasn't really referring to you [editline]12th April 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=thelurker1234;52095336]If you insist? I mean in my opinion my role as a consumer is in a good place and so is it for most people. All I really desire is for more airlines to adopt a reverse auction to make this sticky situations much less common.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SIRIUS;52095344]wasn't really referring to you [editline]12th April 2017[/editline][/QUOTE] Oops, thought I actually edited you out before posting that because I decided against the original post I wrote. Soz.

[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;52094432]Should you not be allowed to call the police to remove me from your property if I refuse to leave?[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=thelurker1234;52094437]Only if you don't get injured at all while the police are physically removing you. /s[/QUOTE] if you're causing a major disturbance then yes, remove your ass even if they have to drag you If you're actually trespassing and in an area you're genuinely not allowed to be and you didn't pay to be there, and no one told you to be there, then yes, get dragged the fuck out if you don't comply. In fact, taze the mother fucker. if you paid to be there as a customer and were basically told you are by being allowed on, no. Don't absolve United of all guilt just because "ETHICALLY" they are in the right. He wasn't trespassing. They called authorities under false reasons. [QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;52094470]It's a simple yes or no question. Should the owner of the property be allowed to call the police to remove someone from their private property regardless of situation.[/QUOTE] that's such a situational thing that boiling it down to such a black and white think is actually pretty bullshit. you should know better than to ask this. It's literally impossible to be that simple of an answer. [QUOTE=thelurker1234;52094547]I was responding to the "he's a doctor and needs to be places!" thing. There's a million ways your flight can get stopped or delayed, it's not a particularly rare occurrence. Because of that if a life is on the line, you shouldn't go last minute where you can't spare any faults.[/QUOTE] the funny thing is is that if a flight is delayed it usually involves everyone on the plane, not specific people because the airport decided "hey fuck you" This person could have been some guy working at Mcdonalds. He could have been a stripper. Could have been a wet nurse. Could have been a priest. Doesn't matter. Who gives a shit. They shouldn't have been removed at random and by force because of United, or the airlines fault.

[QUOTE=The Genie;52094266]Crazy thought but bare with me here. Maybe they could have... increased the offer until someone accepted, with it being their fuck up and all. $800 is a pittance for the hassle of rescheduling a flight and associated plans. People generally book flights and expect to get to where they need to go at the time specified but no doubt there would have been someone on the plane willing to delay their plans for a decent amount of cash. The doctor obviously didn't because he was aware that he had patients he needed to see tomorrow.[/QUOTE] Sure. But why would a company do this when the DOT maximum is $1350 and mandates involuntarily bumped passengers be compensated at 200% of their ticket price (or 400% if the delay is over 2 hours domestic or 4 hours international) up to that max? If the average ticket cost on that flight is $300 and they offer $800 to get off and no one takes it why would they offer more when they could choose 4 to bump randomly and give them $600 as dictated by law? They offered more than the law required twice. The law doesn't require hotel accommodations be offered and a flight from Chicago to St Louis is only $231 on United right now. An involuntary bump would only cost them $462

Not even a couple days after the first incident and they have another guy getting bumped from first class (he wasn't dragged, but he was threatened with handcuffs) who plans to sue: [url]http://www.latimes.com/business/lazarus/la-fi-lazarus-united-low-priority-passenger-20170412-story.html[/url]

[QUOTE=Niteshifter;52095429]Not even a couple days after the first incident and they have another guy getting bumped from first class (he wasn't dragged, but he was threatened with handcuffs) who plans to sue: [url]http://www.latimes.com/business/lazarus/la-fi-lazarus-united-low-priority-passenger-20170412-story.html[/url][/QUOTE] I can't wait for apology 2.0 [editline]12th April 2017[/editline] So is this also acceptable guys?

I'd love to pay 1000$ for first class, only to be told to leave a plane because someone "more important" showed up later.

[QUOTE=lintz;52094943][t]https://68.media.tumblr.com/0c529086b4b3f6d9ed765dabbb9384c0/tumblr_ooayewg9V31u4vvmko3_540.png[/t] so apparently they pulled the records of the wrong doctor can't confirm a source right now, just tossing this into the sea of piss[/QUOTE] [URL="http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-united-david-dao-20170412-story.html"]It seems that there was no confusion on the identity of the doctor, just the Internet doing its usual thing.[/URL]

[QUOTE=creec;52095583]I'd love to pay 1000$ for first class, only to be told to leave a plane because someone "more important" showed up later.[/QUOTE] This post, you're going to delete it now more important posters are in need of this slot number [editline]12th April 2017[/editline] OFF THE THREAD LAD

[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;52095736][URL="http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-united-david-dao-20170412-story.html"]It seems that there was no confusion on the identity of the doctor, just the Internet doing its usual thing.[/URL][/QUOTE] ah well, guess the internet mob is gonna have to put down half its angry pitchforks

I still question the relevancy of his history considering it had no impact on what had occurred on that plane. With major media outlets being questioned in recent years and months of their legitimacy and intentions, this doesn't help.

Why are people trying to dig into his history anyway? Thats a scummy thing to do, call me captain conspiracy but sounds like a way for the airline to discredit the guy and make people feel less sorry for him

[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;52097727]Why are people trying to dig into his history anyway? Thats a scummy thing to do, call me captain conspiracy but sounds like a way for the airline to discredit the guy and make people feel less sorry for him[/QUOTE] Or, considering the potshots that airlines are taking, could just be a part of a smear campaign by another airline. Let's be honest here, a lot of airlines stand to gain if United gets fucked, so it's not out of the realm of possibility. Not to mention I don't think a PR department would willingly consider this as an approach and still have their jobs at this point.

[QUOTE=snookypookums;52097759]Or, considering the potshots that airlines are taking, could just be a part of a smear campaign by another airline. Let's be honest here, a lot of airlines stand to gain if United gets fucked, so it's not out of the realm of possibility. Not to mention I don't think a PR department would willingly consider this as an approach and still have their jobs at this point.[/QUOTE] Crazier things have happened, but I also agree that it's unlikely that this is an intentional campaign as much as the media trying to do whatever they can to earn a buck off this story.

I think it was the Daily Mail that went digging and exposed his background. And, well, that's the Daily Mail for you.

He was released from the hospital. Concussion, broken nose and lost two front teeth. Link: [URL="http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/doctor-dragged-united-plane-has-broken-nose-significant-concussion-lawyer-n746056"]http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/doctor-dragged-united-plane-has-broken-nose-significant-concussion-lawyer-n746056[/URL]

Meanwhile the officers are on administrative leave. It's unlikely, but I hope there will be consequences as well.

What an incredibly unwarranted use of force by the police and a shit policy by the airline. If i were him id refuse any settlement either of them offered and went straight to trail just for the sheer media circus it would cause for them.

No matter which way you spin this, the blame lies 100% on United's shoulders. As well as the "officers" who thought beating up a harmless civilian was a good method of shifting somebody from a plane. At the end of the day: United, more than anybody else, should know how many seats their plane has. Overbooking situations like this are entirely their fault. Once all the seats are purchased, they should not allow any further ones to be bought, full stop. Now, I'll admit that mistakes do happen. Systems can get glitched or broken due to oversight, loopholes and miscommunication. But even then, despite all that, this issue should never have gone as far as it did. If United sees one of its airlines is overbooked, the passengers should be contacted well ahead of time and informed of the mistake, then reimbursed/rescheduled accordingly, before they even [I]step foot[/I] in the airport. This entire situation could have been avoided if they just contacted the last people who booked tickets and told them "Hey, we have a slight issue on our side, seems the plane's been overbooked through a system glitch so we're going to need to change your flight plans, sorry. We'll cover the cost of any inconveniences this will cause you if you wish to proceed." But no, some genius thought it'd be a good idea to just let this disaster play out until the end, and now both the company and the customers are suffering for it. And that's to say nothing of the poor bugger who got his face smashed in. The fact that United then tried to "justify" their actions by digging up personal information about the customer that [I]they instigated an assault on[/I] just makes this whole shitstorm so much worse. Even if this guy [I]had[/I] past criminal records or whatever is irrelevant in the eyes of the law. From a purely ethical standpoint, none of that has anything to do with this event. Unless the doctor had some outstanding warrant for arrest or trial or something (which, as far as I'm aware, he sure as shit [I]didn't[/I]), there is [I]no[/I] justification for forcibly and traumatically removing him like that. Them digging into the personal info on this guy was petty and malicious and nothing more. I don't understand how people can mentally justify their actions in situations like this. Like, there is no reason that this should have happened! None! There are so, so many ways that they could have dealt with this issue that didn't boil down to "Let's punch one of our customers in the face and literally [I]drag[/I] him out of the plane by his fucking arms."

[QUOTE=Ona;52115558]No matter which way you spin this, the blame lies 100% on United's shoulders. As well as the "officers" who thought beating up a harmless civilian was a good method of shifting somebody from a plane. At the end of the day: United, more than anybody else, should know how many seats their plane has. Overbooking situations like this are entirely their fault. Once all the seats are purchased, they should not allow any further ones to be bought, full stop. Now, I'll admit that mistakes do happen. Systems can get glitched or broken due to oversight, loopholes and miscommunication. But even then, despite all that, this issue should never have gone as far as it did. If United sees one of its airlines is overbooked, the passengers should be contacted well ahead of time and informed of the mistake, then reimbursed/rescheduled accordingly, before they even [I]step foot[/I] in the airport. This entire situation could have been avoided if they just contacted the last people who booked tickets and told them "Hey, we have a slight issue on our side, seems the plane's been overbooked through a system glitch so we're going to need to change your flight plans, sorry. We'll cover the cost of any inconveniences this will cause you if you wish to proceed." But no, some genius thought it'd be a good idea to just let this disaster play out until the end, and now both the company and the customers are suffering for it. And that's to say nothing of the poor bugger who got his face smashed in. The fact that United then tried to "justify" their actions by digging up personal information about the customer that [I]they instigated an assault on[/I] just makes this whole shitstorm so much worse. I don't understand how people can mentally justify their actions in situations like this. Like, there is no reason that this should have happened! None! There are so, so many ways that they could have dealt with this issue that didn't boil down to "Let's punch one of our customers in the face and literally [I]drag[/I] him out of the plane by his fucking arms."[/QUOTE] Imma address this in order 1. Every single international airline overbooks. 2. They overbook because "no show" passengers are not uncommon 3. The fact that they overbook means that every single flight can be at 100% capacity with no empty seats, making the airline more money per flight, saving you money 4. You almost never know that airlines overbook because it's almost never a problem. When it is a problem, it's typically resolved with people volunteering to get bumped. 5. They didn't say "hey, beat the shit out of this dissident please", they called the security to get him off the plane. This wasn't a "disaster" up until the actual confrontation. It wasn't a mistake, they [I]meant[/I] for it to be overbooked. Up until the actual incident, the system hadn't failed at all.

[QUOTE=phygon;52115569]Imma address this in order 1. Every single international airline overbooks. 2. They overbook because "no show" passengers are not uncommon 3. The fact that they overbook means that every single flight can be at 100% capacity with no empty seats, making the airline more money per flight, saving you money 4. You almost never know that airlines overbook because it's almost never a problem. When it is a problem, it's typically resolved with people volunteering to get bumped. 5. They didn't say "hey, beat the shit out of this dissident please", they called the security to get him off the plane. This wasn't a "disaster" up until the actual confrontation. It wasn't a mistake, they [I]meant[/I] for it to be overbooked. Up until the actual incident, the system hadn't failed at all.[/QUOTE] I'm not gonna question your research here because after reading through the thread I've seen a lot of other people posting similar info. And you know what? That just makes this all the more problematic and makes United even more responsible for blame, here. It's one thing for a flight to be too packed and to have to reshuffle passengers. It's quite another to wait until said passengers are [I]already boarded and seated to do so.[/I] I'll not go into the B.S Ethics of purposely overbooking your own flights just to make sure they're all full, because that's a whole other garbage fire. They still could have, and [I]should have[/I] dealt with this situation before it reached this point. It takes time and dozens of checkpoints to get from "at the airport" to "sitting on your plane ready to take off". Problems like this should have been addressed before the customers even boarded their flight! I find it utterly baffling that they let this guy pack up all his luggage, presumably put his stuff in the overhead, sit down and get comfortable [I]before[/I] they tried to shift his schedule around. The assault, and the ensuing P.R Shitstorm that followed is just United somehow managing to pour oil on the flames.

This wasn't even an overbooking situation, actually. They fucked up and needed to ship personnel to the plane's destination and decided to take passengers' seats when they were already in them.

[QUOTE=Ona;52115585]I'm not gonna question your research here because after reading through the thread I've seen a lot of other people posting similar info. And you know what? That just makes this all the more problematic and makes United even more responsible for blame, here. It's one thing for a flight to be too packed and to have to reshuffle passengers. It's quite another to wait until said passengers are [I]already boarded and seated to do so.[/I] I'll not go into the B.S Ethics of purposely overbooking your own flights just to make sure they're all full, because that's a whole other garbage fire. They still could have, and [I]should have[/I] dealt with this situation before it reached this point. It takes time and dozens of checkpoints to get from "at the airport" to "sitting on your plane ready to take off". Problems like this should have been addressed before the customers even boarded their flight! I find it utterly baffling that they let this guy pack up all his luggage, presumably put his stuff in the overhead, sit down and get comfortable [I]before[/I] they tried to shift his schedule around. The assault, and the ensuing P.R Shitstorm that followed is just United somehow managing to pour oil on the flames.[/QUOTE] Honestly, no. There were no "flames" until there was the assault issue. You can't early-detect a no-show, because the entire point is that they just... don't show up for the flight. This system almost never results in involuntary bumps and when it does, the people get compensated 4x their fare (+ hotel room maybe? can't remember) and it makes my airline flights cheaper. The fact that united wanted to bump someone to make room for an employee was fucking dumb but the overbooking itself was never an issue.

United is firing no one [url]https://consumerist.com/2017/04/18/united-ceo-says-no-one-will-be-fired-over-forced-removal-of-passenger/[/url]

[QUOTE=Jitterz;52104591]He was released from the hospital. Concussion, broken nose and lost two front teeth. Link: [URL="http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/doctor-dragged-united-plane-has-broken-nose-significant-concussion-lawyer-n746056"]http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/doctor-dragged-united-plane-has-broken-nose-significant-concussion-lawyer-n746056[/URL][/QUOTE] Alright, what the shit? In what world should escorting a non-violent "trespasser" result in this?