Doctor forcibly removed from overbooked United Airlines flight shown bloodied and confused - Sensationalist Headlines

[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;52085537]I have a good question, why are boarded passengers "voluntarily" disembarked if someone shows up afterwards to board? If you're late for boarding and there is no room left, then why is someone who was actually there at least not as late as you being made to make way for you? If you're paying for a flight, then make sure you are there on time. In theory it becomes a safer practice to show up late than on time.[/QUOTE] They were United pilots/crew that needed to get to another city so they could fly their plane.

[QUOTE=OvB;52085549]They were United pilots/crew that needed to get to another city so they could fly their plane.[/QUOTE] Which raises even more issues given they should know how many spaces are needed for crew members, which in turn should be outright reserved.

[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;52085573]Which raises even more issues given they should know how many spaces are needed for crew members, which in turn should be outright reserved.[/QUOTE] I think they overlooked the crew or someone screwed up. I feel as if they knew about the crew members, they would not have let 4 people board. It would have been better for them (and no PR nightmare) if they called for people to give up their seat before the plane was boarded (Where, in my experiences flying, is where it usually happens). So that plane was fully booked and then someone remembered they have crew to get to another city at the last minute maybe? Still no excuse at all for how they treated that man.

Airlines oversell every flight on purpose. It's all about getting people in the seats. An empty seat is missed revenue that cannot be made up. Everyone runs the risk of being bumped off, either voluntarily or involuntarily. If you want to mitigate the risk, don't fly economy.

[QUOTE=Code3Response;52085681]Airlines oversell every flight on purpose. It's all about getting people in the seats. An empty seat is missed revenue that cannot be made up. Everyone runs the risk of being bumped off, either voluntarily or involuntarily. If you want to mitigate the risk, don't fly economy.[/QUOTE] money

Well that is the thing, It was not oversold. It was exactly full. They were looking to get some extra united crew on the plane.

[QUOTE=Commando1234;52085698]Well that is the thing, It was not oversold. It was exactly full. They were looking to get some extra united crew on the plane.[/QUOTE] And it's all about the money. The crew is worth more than the passengers. Nothing flies without the crew. Again, don't fly economy if you want to mitigate the risk. [editline]10th April 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=SIRIUS;52085692]money[/QUOTE] 100% about the money. Airlines have slim profit margin.

[QUOTE=Code3Response;52085729]And it's all about the money. The crew is worth more than the passengers. Nothing flies without the crew. Again, don't fly economy if you want to mitigate the risk. [editline]10th April 2017[/editline] 100% about the money. Airlines have slim profit margin.[/QUOTE] I was referring to you telling people not to fly economy, people can't afford that shit. They shouldn't be kicked off [editline]10th April 2017[/editline] [B]Don't[/B]... wait for it... [B]oversell[/B]

United airlines is the Ryanair of us airliners, for those out of the country Par for the course and I hope they get their shit slapped

[QUOTE=SIRIUS;52085738]I was referring to you telling people not to fly economy, people can't afford that shit. They shouldn't be kicked off [editline]10th April 2017[/editline] [B]Don't[/B]... wait for it... [B]oversell[/B][/QUOTE] That is not the airlines' problem. They will and do oversell every flight. Every airline. Airlines dont make their money in economy and thus bump people out for more valuable customers, ie crew members.

[QUOTE=Code3Response;52085756]That is not the airlines' problem. They will and do oversell every flight. Every airline. Airlines dont make their money in Business-plus and thus bump people out for more valuable customers, ie crew members.[/QUOTE] no, not every airline, and they should stop doing that.

[QUOTE=SIRIUS;52085762]no, not every airline, and they should stop doing that.[/QUOTE] Most-all do. And they won't stop. The economics of an airline and the aviation industry would strongly disagree with stopping.

[QUOTE=Code3Response;52085756]That is not the airlines' problem. They will and do oversell every flight. Every airline. Airlines dont make their money in economy and thus bump people out for more valuable customers, ie crew members.[/QUOTE]Then people should start making it the airline's problem. Make it a problem for them in the future so they'd rather eat the cost of empty seats than deal with other problems.

[QUOTE=Code3Response;52085756]That is not the airlines' problem. They will and do oversell every flight. Every airline. Airlines dont make their money in economy and thus bump people out for more valuable customers, ie crew members.[/QUOTE] This is a cautionary tale then about what happens when you oversell a flight and try to take people out by force You can argue the airline is not at fault, but the strong PR backlash from this strongly disagrees with you. In the end, if people cant trust your airline, you arent going to sell tickets

[QUOTE=Code3Response;52085778]Most-all do. And they won't stop. The economics of an airline and the aviation industry would strongly disagree with stopping.[/QUOTE] then figure out another way

[QUOTE=SIRIUS;52085784]then figure out another way[/QUOTE] Here's the other way: raise ticket prices, or place more seats in the already cramped cabin [editline]10th April 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Fhenexx;52085783]This is a cautionary tale then about what happens when you oversell a flight and try to take people out by force You can argue the airline is not at fault, but the strong PR backlash from this strongly disagrees with you. In the end, if people cant trust your airline, you arent going to sell tickets[/QUOTE] Absolutely. It's a tragic situation here and not a common ending

[QUOTE=Code3Response;52085756]That is not the airlines' problem. They will and do oversell every flight. Every airline. Airlines dont make their money in economy and thus bump people out for more valuable customers, ie crew members.[/QUOTE] "It's not the airlines fault that they are so profit driven that they will ruin people's plans, jobs, vacations, etc. because of their own bottom line, and don't have the foresight to come up with another solution other than beating and dragging a man out who had planned to be on a plane and was told last minute he needed to leave." Come on. Corporation's profits > Lives of other people? Are we in a corporate dystopia? Do they get to ruin people because they are in control? They have the money, they get to push people around? A) People are not always rich (duh) and can't afford first class, so they have to deal with economy seating (no "pull up your bootstraps and save up more money" because that completely defeats the purpose of having cheap seats in the first place and doesn't account for mitigating factors). "Just don't fly economy" is basically "just don't be poor lol" B) People plan their lives around transportation. People need to travel for their jobs (interviews, actual work, etc.), for health reasons, for family emergencies, they plan all this shit ahead of time because it's important and United fucks it all up at the exact last second. United is so thoughtless that, after these people [B]drove/were driven to the airport [B](which is a long drive for most people, and can be very early in the morning)[/B], went through the shitty invasive slow TSA, packed all their shit neatly, spent hours of their time and planned their lives around this plane, [I] at the last minute United goes "nope lol get the fuk out".[/I][/B] The mental gymnastics commitee needs a new tier of medal to give out.

[QUOTE=Code3Response;52085681]Airlines oversell every flight on purpose. It's all about getting people in the seats. An empty seat is missed revenue that cannot be made up. Everyone runs the risk of being bumped off, either voluntarily or involuntarily. If you want to mitigate the risk, don't fly economy.[/QUOTE] I'm confused though how are they losing money by not overbooking? People pay for tickets in advance so if people don't show up for the flight, don't they just lose their money? Also the plane would be lighter and use less fuel?

[QUOTE=The Genie;52085796]Maybe airlines shouldn't be banking on their customers not turning up for their flight as a business model. And to me a doctor who (presumably) has important appointments with his patients the next day is more valuable than crew members that could have easily been transported via other means. This was entirely United Airline's fuck up.[/QUOTE] There's no arguing with someone who's apologizing for a business model ran by billionaires.

[QUOTE=Code3Response;52085791] Absolutely. It's a tragic situation here and not a common ending[/QUOTE] Exactly, but the airline made this gamble when they decided to pick random people to leave because they overbooked. Yes, in most situations, people would take the cash and disembark happily, but every time they used this practice they rolled the dice on the possibility that they might eventually hit an "immovable object" situation. And this is the result. Not a common ending but one that will inevitably cost the airline potentially millions in lost revenue. And thats not economically viable either.

[QUOTE=matt000024;52085865]I'm confused though how are they losing money by not overbooking? People pay for tickets in advance so if people don't show up for the flight, don't they just lose their money? Also the plane would be lighter and use less fuel?[/QUOTE] Not overbooked: full paid, but 5 don't show up. Airline now flies with five empty seats. That flight is making little money. You cannot make up the revenue from those seats. Overbooked: full paid, five don't show up. Airline now slots others in. Flight is still full and making full revenue. Re: fuel cost. Negligible. You're not going to see any real difference. While most of the cost is fuel, five people is not going to make a significant impact on fuel burn. Fuel taken is determined before boarding via dispatch for a full flight so they can't compensate for it. An airline would rather fly full with full revenue possible than with seats empty. It's all about the money. Their margins are slim and need a damn near full cabin to even make money on the flight. [editline]10th April 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=SleepyAl;52085859]"It's not the airlines fault that they are so profit driven that they will ruin people's plans, jobs, vacations, etc. because of their own bottom line, and don't have the foresight to come up with another solution other than beating and dragging a man out who had planned to be on a plane and was told last minute he needed to leave." Come on. Corporation's profits > Lives of other people? Are we in a corporate dystopia? Do they get to ruin people because they are in control? They have the money, they get to push people around? A) People are not always rich (duh) and can't afford first class, so they have to deal with economy seating (no "pull up your bootstraps and save up more money" because that completely defeats the purpose of having cheap seats in the first place and doesn't account for mitigating factors). "Just don't fly economy" is basically "just don't be poor lol" B) People plan their lives around transportation. People need to travel for their jobs (interviews, actual work, etc.), for health reasons, for family emergencies, they plan all this shit ahead of time because it's important and United fucks it all up at the exact last second. United is so thoughtless that, after these people [B]drove/were driven to the airport [B](which is a long drive for most people, and can be very early in the morning)[/B], went through the shitty invasive slow TSA, packed all their shit neatly, spent hours of their time and planned their lives around this plane, [I] at the last minute United goes "nope lol get the fuk out".[/I][/B] The mental gymnastics commitee needs a new tier of medal to give out.[/QUOTE] Sorry dude, it's just how the industry works. If that's mental gymnastics than I think it's you who needs the medal.

[QUOTE=Code3Response;52085908]Not overbooked: full paid, but 5 don't show up. Airline now flies with five empty seats. That flight is making little money. You cannot make up the revenue from those seats. Overbooked: full paid, five don't show up. Airline now slots others in. Flight is still full and making full revenue.[/QUOTE] They aren't losing money though? By overbooking they are making extra money, but by not overbooking in the first place they don't lose anything. If people don't show up, that's their fault, the airline still gets the money.

[QUOTE=Code3Response;52085908] Sorry dude, it's just how the industry works. If that's mental gymnastics than I think it's you who needs the medal.[/QUOTE] "Sorry brah, but these corporations have the money to do whatever and don't have a reason to change, and they make the rules. That's the way it is and always will be, because policy is unchangeable and laws are never rewritten." Have you given up on life and become apathetic to the state of the world today? Did you get beaten down so bad you gave up on the world ever changing? Is it par for the course that the people of this country get shit on by greed, so you just just open your mouth and grab a mint? Or is it "doesn't affect me, lol I got mine fuckers"? I thought an officer of the law would be an advocate for justice for the common man, not a corporate apologist. What went wrong in your life?

[QUOTE=Code3Response;52085908] Sorry dude, it's just how the industry works. If that's mental gymnastics than I think it's you who needs the medal.[/QUOTE] We're all hyper-aware that this is how it works, we've gotten a reminder every other post. We're just not as willing to roll over and get fucked like this as you are I guess

[QUOTE=Code3Response;52085908]Not overbooked: full paid, but 5 don't show up. Airline now flies with five empty seats. That flight is making little money. You cannot make up the revenue from those seats. Overbooked: full paid, five don't show up. Airline now slots others in. Flight is still full and making full revenue. Re: fuel cost. Negligible. You're not going to see any real difference. While most of the cost is fuel, five people is not going to make a significant impact on fuel burn. Fuel taken is determined before boarding via dispatch for a full flight so they can't compensate for it. An airline would rather fly full with full revenue possible than with seats empty. It's all about the money. Their margins are slim and need a damn near full cabin to even make money on the flight. [editline]10th April 2017[/editline] Sorry dude, it's just how the industry works. If that's mental gymnastics than I think it's you who needs the medal.[/QUOTE] Every flight I've been on had the stipulation that I pay for the seat whether or not I show up. Overbooking a flight means they [I]plan[/I] to make money on people not showing up.

[QUOTE=geel9;52085130]Alternatively, don't create a system where you can be forcibly removed from a plane because the airline intentionally fucked up. "Sorry, we overbooked." Oh, I didn't know it was completely impossible to only sell a certain amount of tickets and once those are sold you don't sell any more. Absolutely my mistake. Thanks for fucking me over, United.[/QUOTE] Airlines overbook because 1: flying an airplane is expensive and barely profitable as it is 2: they know that for most flights a LOT of people will cancel or just don't bother turning up. Airlines look at past data, see that say 10% of a flight similar to this one no showed, and decide to oversell by 10%. This helps keep the airline in the black, and if they didn't do this, ticket prices would have to be raised significantly. Literally every airline flight all of you have ever been on has been overbooked. And out of the millions of flights, this has happened once. This isn't because of overbooking, it's usually easy to get someone off a plane by showering them in cash and free shit, this is because of dumb/belligerent employees.

[QUOTE=SleepyAl;52085968]"Sorry brah, but these corporations have the money to do whatever and don't have a reason to change, and they make the rules. That's the way it is and always will be, because policy is unchangeable and laws are never rewritten." Have you given up on life and become apathetic to the state of the world today? Did you get beaten down so bad you gave up on the world ever changing? Is it par for the course that the people of this country get shit on by greed, so you just just open your mouth and grab a mint? Or is it "doesn't affect me, lol I got mine fuckers"? I thought an officer of the law would be an advocate for justice for the common man, not a corporate apologist. What went wrong in your life?[/QUOTE] Lmao what. Sorry you don't agree with how aviation industry works. Tough break. Airline's care only about the bottom line unless you're not riding economy. All they see are dollar signs.

I've flown about 100 times and I've never, ever been in a situation where people have been kicked out or heard that a plane is "overbooked". The worst thing I've experienced has been seating disputes, delays and once a leaking toilet that stank up the plane for 8 hours. But then I've only been flying with European and Asian airlines.

edit: looks like I'm late to the "explaining how the aviation industry works" party lol

[QUOTE=Sheer Visor;52085979]Airlines overbook because 1: flying an airplane is expensive and barely profitable as it is 2: they know that for most flights a LOT of people will cancel or just don't bother turning up. Airlines look at past data, see that say 10% of a flight similar to this one no showed, and decide to oversell by 10%. Literally every airline flight all of you have ever been on has been overbooked. And out of the millions of flights, this has happened once. This isn't because of overbooking, it's usually easy to get someone off a plane by showering them in cash and free shit, this is because of dumb/belligerent employees.[/QUOTE] Those poor billionaire flight corporations can't afford to only sell seats that exist? They already have the no refunds policy; overbooking is the deliberate planning to sell more of a commodity than exists. [editline]10th April 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Code3Response;52085983]Lmao what. Sorry you don't agree with how aviation industry works. Tough break. Airline's care only about the bottom line unless you're not riding economy. All they see are dollar signs.[/QUOTE] good job not reading his post; you can just start over by reading the first line and pretend he said it in response to you again why do I always see you playing advocate in threads about police brutality? given that you're a cop IRL I don't know if I should be surprised or used to this trend