Doctor forcibly removed from overbooked United Airlines flight shown bloodied and confused - Sensationalist Headlines

[QUOTE=Code3Response;52086201]You have a lot more businesses to solve before you arrive at airlines. Merge[/QUOTE] Really, you're gunna pull that 'but there's starving children in africa' thing as a deflection? You've actually been putting in effort to your argument, don't do this now.

[QUOTE=Code3Response;52086201]You have a lot more businesses to solve before you arrive at airlines. Merge[/QUOTE] how dare he argue right vs wrong in airline policies, in a thread about airline policies

[QUOTE=bitches;52086210]how dare he argue right vs wrong in airline policies, in a thread about airline policies[/QUOTE] Right, and this isn't a philosophy debate. An ideal world a lot would be different

[QUOTE=Code3Response;52086201]You have a lot more businesses to solve before you arrive at airlines. Merge[/QUOTE] How dare you post on Facepunch when you could be off building roads in China to help farmers?

This thread is about airlines? ?? ? He can talk about airlines. [editline]10th April 2017[/editline] People are allowed to criticize current business practices, fam.

Also from the reading I've done don't airlines go bankrupt because other airlines actually are giving people better deals due to better labor contracts with unions? Not because they aren't overbooking.

[QUOTE=bitches;52086184]It isn't hamburgers and it can't be solved with a pittance of a ticket refund. It's greed in the name of "affordable airfare" that hurts low-income travelers the most, who lose out on work they're late returning to and potential workplace employment penalties.[/QUOTE] It is bloody worth it. Cheaper airfare for all. If you get bumped, you get fucking babied (in states/EU that is, other areas are less kind). "hurts low income travellers the most" lol. 1: Unless you're an idiot you'll make sure you're fed and roomed on their tab, although that's usually assumed to be the arrangement anyway, and 2: Do you think it's not possible to phone your employer and say "mate the airlines fucked me sideways I'll be one day late, apologies, please get someone to fill in for me". I've had to make that phone call twice and it went pretty damn well, maybe you just have an problem with authority or something, but believe it or not, bosses are humans too. They understand that shit happens and if they're told ahead of time so they can plan ahead, they're fine with it.

[QUOTE=Sheer Visor;52086229]It is bloody worth it. Cheaper airfare for all. If you get bumped, you get fucking babied (in states/EU that is, other areas are less kind). "hurts low income travellers the most" lol. 1: Unless you're an idiot you'll make sure you're fed and roomed on their tab, although that's usually assumed to be the arrangement anyway, and 2:[B] Do you think it's not possible to phone your employer and say "mate the airlines fucked me sideways I'll be one day late, apologies, please get someone to fill in for me". I've had to make that phone call twice and it went pretty damn well, maybe you just have an problem with authority or something, but believe it or not, bosses are humans too. They understand that shit happens and if they're told ahead of time so they can plan ahead, they're fine with it[/B].[/QUOTE] Extremely circumstantial and not true for everyone who works. You don't have to have a "problem with authority" to have a shitty boss.

[QUOTE=Code3Response;52086036]The only way it's going to change is paying more for tickets (which people donet like) or put more seats in the cabin... Which has more regulatory issues than just customer comfort[/QUOTE] bottom line is the airline would rather piss one customer off by dragging him off a plane than piss loads of them off by putting fares up, it's simple corporate economics. Also most people would probably agree that it's unfortunate but would still rather not pay more.

[QUOTE=Pascall;52086239]Extremely circumstantial and not true for everyone who works. You don't have to have a "problem with authority" to have a shitty boss.[/QUOTE] The only "shitty boss" I had was when I worked a disposable job at Burger King. Then again I'd never have made enough money there to go on a flight so its basically irrelevant. If you're valuable enough to an organization that you're actually paid enough to regularly travel for pleasure, your boss is (probably) going to be decently understanding of things out of your control like that. Because they don't want to piss you off and have you fucking off to a different company!

That's the thing though, some people have a job just to make money when they can't find anything else. They're not valuable at all to the organization or corporation they work for. I've had jobs before where they didn't even want to give me time off for a funeral of a family member. It's not the same for everyone, man. I can't pick apart the rest of your earlier post, but saying that all bosses will be understanding of being late or not being present because of even a justifiable reason is underestimating how many terrible employers there are out there. [editline]10th April 2017[/editline] Travel is sometimes paid for by family or through credit, so it doesn't always come out of pocket, either.

[QUOTE=UK Bohemian;52086260]bottom line is the airline would rather piss one customer off by dragging him off a plane than piss loads of them off by putting fares up, it's simple corporate economics. Also most people would probably agree that it's unfortunate but would still rather not pay more.[/QUOTE] or instead of overbooking you can just ask people for a security deposit so if they bail before their flight the airline still makes a profit.

[QUOTE=Code3Response;52086194]We don't live in an ideal world. These airlines are constantly chasing the bottom line trying to stay in business. And the US is not like other countries that sponsor their alines and can allow them to run in the red[/QUOTE] Then there should be legislation against it

[QUOTE=Kyle902;52086301]or instead of overbooking you can just ask people for a security deposit so if they bail before their flight the airline still makes a profit.[/QUOTE] That's not how overbooking works, airlines make more money by overbooking because they're selling more tickets than they actually have.

[QUOTE=matt000024;52086228]Also from the reading I've done don't airlines go bankrupt because other airlines actually are giving people better deals due to better labor contracts with unions? Not because they aren't overbooking.[/QUOTE] Partially true. Most recently seen with Republic Airways. I work for a regional airline now that has been dragging its feet as much as possible when it comes to contract negotiations for both our pilot group and flight attendants. We're the lowest paid in the industry and have been in negotiations for over six years. Attrition is starting to have a very real effect on our ability to staff airplanes, and the company may be heading towards bankruptcy (again) if United and American don't like the way things are going, and decide not to renew our contracts. Meanwhile the CEO is making out like a bandit and regularly chartering some of our Phoenix based airplanes back and forth to his vacation homes in California. The airline industry is a scummy one and management will fight tooth and nail to maximize profit. Also so far as I know, the dude in the video was on either a SkyWest or Republic flight (United Express carriers) and they were trying to pull him off to deadhead a crew into position for the next day. Revenue passengers are supposed to have priority and I'm sure big daddy United is pissed about this whole situation caused by one of their regional carriers.

[QUOTE=Headhumpy;52086322]That's not how overbooking works, airlines make more money by overbooking because they're selling more tickets than they actually have.[/QUOTE] If the solution to non-profitability is to sell products that dont exist then your business has failed. The fact that they resort to shady business practices to survive shows that the industry either needs a major restructuring or a government intervention.

[QUOTE=Kyle902;52086341]If the solution to non-profitability is to sell products that dont exist then your business has failed. The fact that they resort to shady business practices to survive shows that the industry either needs a major restructuring or a government intervention.[/QUOTE] Overbooking is not a shady business practice.

[QUOTE=Code3Response;52086438]Overbooking is not a shady business practice.[/QUOTE] Kind of is [editline]10th April 2017[/editline] "hey guys, let's sell more seats than we have, people will probably cancel anyway"

[QUOTE=Code3Response;52086438]Overbooking is not a shady business practice.[/QUOTE] because?

What would happen to United if patients died because the doctor couldn't get there in time? Would they be held liable for those? And if so, what would happen?

[QUOTE=Code3Response;52086438]Overbooking is not a shady business practice.[/QUOTE] I can see the logic behind overbooking but come on, you're just being obtusely contrarian at this point.

Unless I missed it, I don't think anyone explained why they also kick people off that are already seated, rather than not letting latecomers on? Even from a profit standpoint, wouldn't it be better to get it in the air as soon as possible.

[QUOTE=Crimor;52086478]Unless I missed it, I don't think anyone explained why they also kick people off that are already seated, rather than not letting latecomers on? Even from a profit standpoint, wouldn't it be better to get it in the air as soon as possible.[/QUOTE] The latecomers were United employees that United was moving for business reasons. Although they should still have been last priority over paying companies.

[QUOTE=mscmn;52086323] Also so far as I know, the dude in the video was on either a SkyWest or Republic flight (United Express carriers) and they were trying to pull him off to deadhead a crew into position for the next day. Revenue passengers are supposed to have priority and I'm sure big daddy United is pissed about this whole situation caused by one of their regional carriers.[/QUOTE] This is one of the biggest gripe I have with this situation. Usually when you have to reposition a crew and the flight that the airline operate is full you don't pull out passengers. You put them onto another flight/carrier, and I highly doubt that was the final flight of the day for that route. I've once had to jump seat a cargo 727 from with a different carrier because I missed the flight with my airline and it was rad. First and probably the only time where I've been in a 3 crew cockpit.

they should get him a pepsi. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Shitpost" - Craptasket))[/highlight]

Airlines will do anything to save a dollar. United fucked up [I]hard[/I] on one of my flights where they had to make a landing at an airport, closer to my house than the one we were supposed to go to; and made us wait on the plane 3 1/2 hours with no lavatory accessibility, along with 2 other planes. The plane next to ours at the 3 hour mark had two men try to leave the plane, and the cops had to come in and arrest them. After this entire fiasco, and having the plane fly to the other airport (10 minute flight, but an hour drive in perfect weather) was hit with insane and dangerous turbulence on the trip there. By the time we got there, we couldn't even get a rental car because all the kiosks were closed, and the airline refused to accommodate anyone with either rental vouchers or hotel vouchers. We were lucky to get one of the last cars available from Budget and it took us almost 2 hours to get home due to blizzard conditions (the cause for the plane being grounded in the first place). Ended up getting a manager at the airport fired for lying to passengers (and saying we should fly Frontier instead next time) and also losing [I]our fucking luggage[/I] after it was all said and done. I had over 100 people who were still there bitching (along with myself) sign a form I had so we could file a lawsuit against the airline. I got reimbursed for my movie (a pittance for what you are about to read), and the airline was fined for the tarmac delay, which at $27,500 per passenger, came out to $11,825,000 total for the 430 passengers on board. That will teach those fuckers for not letting me off the goddamn plane.

United Airlines are gonna be in shit. Number 1 trending item on Facebook, and it's probably at the top of most news sites as well. [editline]11th April 2017[/editline] Also that officer was placed on administrative leave

[QUOTE=BANNED USER;52086535]Airlines will do anything to save a dollar. Frontier fucked up [I]hard[/I] on one of my flights where they had to make a landing at an airport, closer to my house than the one we were supposed to go to; and made us wait on the plane 3 1/2 hours with no lavatory accessibility, along with 2 other planes. The plane next to ours at the 3 hour mark had [B]two men try to leave the plane, and the cops had to come in and arrest them.[/B][/QUOTE] What? How the fuck does that work?

[QUOTE=JerryAnderson;52086568]What? How the fuck does that work?[/QUOTE] They were trying to open one of the emergency doors at the rear of the plane, which honestly isn't a very smart idea.

[QUOTE=BANNED USER;52086573]They were trying to open one of the emergency doors at the rear of the plane, which honestly isn't a very smart idea.[/QUOTE] Oh. I figured that it was in a position where people were perfectly capable of safely disembarking. The emergency doors aren't exactly safe, and may or may not be a bitch and a half to reseal. In that case, yeah. I can see why.