Doctor forcibly removed from overbooked United Airlines flight shown bloodied and confused - Sensationalist Headlines

[QUOTE=Snoberry Tea;52090082]United can't/won't get sued over this.[/QUOTE] I demand you Toxx clause this right now.

[QUOTE=1/4 Life;52090086]I demand you Toxx clause this right now.[/QUOTE] Sorry, wrong wording. They probably will TRY to sue United, but they'll either settle or they won't find in favor of the plaintiff. But honestly the agency they should sue is the company that runs airport security. United didn't make them beat him up and drag him off. It was that ONE officer. The other two were calmly talking to him and probably would have reasoned with him and got him off the plane quietly if Thing #3 hadn't came up and acted like a stormtrooper.

[QUOTE=Grenadiac;52090014]Just imagine - 20 years ago this would have been brushed under the rug with a statement on the news from the company and that would be that. Now because of the Internet, there's nothing United can do to suppress the spread of negative memes about this incident, and their stocks are down [I]1.5 billion dollars[/I] because of it. It's easy to see why big corporations want to control the internet when you realize that the mass connectivity of the Internet can bring them down so easily.[/QUOTE] This is a good point and it's why it's so important to not allow them relinquish the public's control, lest be left with nothing and become even more subject to massive corporation's whims.

[QUOTE=Grenadiac;52090014]Just imagine - 20 years ago this would have been brushed under the rug with a statement on the news from the company and that would be that. Now because of the Internet, there's nothing United can do to suppress the spread of negative memes about this incident, and their stocks are down [I]1.5 billion dollars[/I] because of it. It's easy to see why big corporations want to control the internet when you realize that the mass connectivity of the Internet can bring them down so easily.[/QUOTE] tbh the internet must remain free and open for this reason control the internet and you control the world

[QUOTE=J!NX;52090470]tbh the internet must remain free and open for this reason control the internet and you control the world[/QUOTE] It's either that or pick the Tracer Tong ending.

I know I'm in the minority here but I don't really see what the big deal is about here. The flight was overbooked thanks to a mistake, guy refuses to leave when he is selected to do so, resist being removes and accidentally gets hurt in the process. I keep seeing the word "beat" on here but unless I really am missing something he got the injury after struggling against being removed and falling due to it. I mean is it shitty to be booted from your flight for a reason you can't help, of course, I would be really upset too, but don't refuse to leave and then scream at the top of your lungs and physically resist removal.

[QUOTE=Jund;52089915]i wish my margin was a net income of $2.3 billion a year[/QUOTE] You would be sweating bullets if you made only 5-8% profit doing anything. To put this in perspective for you, and others. You net 50k a year working wherever. At the end of the year you have between $2500 and $5000 to do whatever you want after all your planned expenses. What happens if your car breaks down and you have a large bill to pay? Or your job announces cutbacks? Or you fall victim to a financial scam? Or you get injured and lose time at work? All of that cuts into your maybe $5000 Dont get caught up with billions being thrown around.

Turns out it wasn't even overbooked, I think the doctor is 100% innocent in this

[QUOTE=GhillieBacca;52089851]WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEELL about that... [media]https://twitter.com/JohnClarke1960/status/851829688293109761[/media][/QUOTE] Nothing like a zoomed-in stock price chart with no axis labels... [IMG]https://i.sn3p.top/dk7py.png[/IMG] [URL="https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/UAL?p=UAL"]They regained about 70% of it by the close of trading.[/URL] So much for "justice". Classic market overreaction, some smart buyers just made a lot of money.

[QUOTE=J!NX;52090470]tbh the internet must remain free and open for this reason control the internet and you control the world[/QUOTE] "We're sorry, but your internet service has been suspended for seven (7) days due to disparaging comments you posted about United Airlines, Inc on April 11th, 2017 at approximately 1:23PM MST. We hope you understand our decision and hope when you return on April 18th, 2017, you will no longer make disparaging comments about partner and sponsor companies."

They've put out another statement [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/6mUrg5e.png[/IMG] Dunno how to link from twitter so here's an image.

[QUOTE=cplcollas;52090759]They've put out another statement [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/6mUrg5e.png[/IMG] Dunno how to link from twitter so here's an image.[/QUOTE] I thought the passenger was 're-accomodated'? Now it's been changed to 'forcibly removed' lmao. I guess his assistant read it after it was posted and was like "sir no"

[QUOTE=Code3Response;52090710]You net 50k a year working wherever. At the end of the year you have between $2500 and $5000 to do whatever you want after all your planned expenses. What happens if your car breaks down and you have a large bill to pay? Or your job announces cutbacks? Or you fall victim to a financial scam? Or you get injured and lose time at work?[/QUOTE] Or you beat an innocent old man bloody and lose millions in stock value and lost revenue?

Share price doesn't mean anything unless the company is trying to raise capital, not sure why you guys are getting so excited over a temporary drop.

[QUOTE=Headhumpy;52091225]Share price doesn't mean anything unless the company is trying to raise capital, not sure why you guys are getting so excited over a temporary drop.[/QUOTE] Whether they lose money in short term and long term is irrelevant. It shows that the actions of these companies are answerable to the customers and the public they serve. As shown from the backtracking of the United CEO a couple of posts back, they would rather keep a reputation as a good mutli-billion dollar industry than a bad one.

[QUOTE=Headhumpy;52091225]Share price doesn't mean anything unless the company is trying to raise capital, not sure why you guys are getting so excited over a temporary drop.[/QUOTE] Because the last time United had such a popular :ohno: moment (i.e They broke that guy's guitar and he wrote a song about it), United stock tanked 200 million US dollars while this guy was left fighting for months for compensation for his messed up guitar. Of course, even then, the stock corrected itself but nobody talked about it. Snowmew pointed out, the stock is on track to correct itself and should be back to normal before the next QER, at which point if they turn a profit/bullish about the next quarter, it will rise further. This is because a lot of speculative trading by investors is also weighted by the "Sentiment" factor. Mind you, UAL is a stock that has slogged its way up from a 40 USD per share valuation to the 70-ish that it is now, [I]in the span of little over a year[/I]. As much as I hate United, looking at the stock numbers, That's decidedly impressive for an airline company, from the point of view of an investor with monetary stake in the company. [URL="http://www.marketwatch.com/story/these-airlines-bump-the-most-passengers-involuntarily-united-isnt-no-1-2017-04-11"]The best part is, they're not even the #1 company known to bump people off involuntarily, that would be JetBlue. [/URL] Hell, a lot of investors, while upset about what happened, are still expecting a bullish 2017Q2 QER report from United despite this, because they expect the stock will correct itself.

[QUOTE=1/4 Life;52091188]Or you beat an innocent old man bloody and lose millions in stock value and lost revenue?[/QUOTE] Dude check the stock exchange. They're already back to $70.71 only 6 hours after their stock hit the lowest value. Their price per share before this happened was $71.94. They'll be back to their original share value by tomorrow evening. Like it was said earlier the only thing this did to United was make a handful of smart investors a LOT of money and lost a handful of people a similar amount. [editline]11th April 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=snookypookums;52091805]Mind you, UAL is a stock that has slogged its way up from a 40 USD per share valuation to the 70-ish that it is now, [I]in the span of little over a year[/I]. As much as I hate United, looking at the stock numbers, That's decidedly impressive for an airline company, from the point of view of an investor with monetary stake in the company.[/QUOTE] 9.5 months if you're counting to today, 5.5 months if you're counting to the first moment their stock hit $75. From $37.75 on 06/27/16 to $75.17 on 12/09/16. That's impressive as hell

[QUOTE=God of Ashes;52085175]Every single airline oversells flights. [/QUOTE] doesn't justify it. [editline]12th April 2017[/editline] jesus, just imagine being the patient of this doctor. the day of your appointment, he's just not there, and when you ask where he's at the nurses tell you he's in the hospital because he got beat the fuck up

If you try to defend these people you are being extremely stupid... They overbooked a flight and bloodied a man who paid legally for his ticket. You guys make my Blood boil...have some fucking empathy

I always found overbooking completely and utterly mind boggling. I mean, I'm sure they have it all down in fine print but paying customers are expected to just fuck off when the airlines say so?

[QUOTE=angelangel;52093006]I always found overbooking completely and utterly mind boggling. I mean, I'm sure they have it all down in fine print [B]but paying customers are expected to just fuck off when the airlines say so[/B]?[/QUOTE] Not defending the practise because it's repugnant, but that's an oversimplification. The customers aren't expected to fuck off, they're typically compensated by hotel stay/flight vouchers/cash in hand in order to take a later flight if they don't have anything pressing at their destination and are interested in some freebies. Eventually, someone [I]does[/I] bite because it's pretty fucking enticing and is typically how they manage to stave off "involuntary bumping". My aunt was in such a situation a year or so ago, she got comped 2,500 USD and a hotel stay in Atlanta by Delta - all because she took a later flight that routed her through another airport but got her to her destination a day late. She had nothing else better to do, never been to Atlanta and it was handled very well by Delta. It's a shitty practice, but in this case it was handled poorly and triggered for the wrong reason that should've never arisen in the first place.

[QUOTE=Firetornado;52092813]If you try to defend these people you are being extremely stupid... They overbooked a flight and bloodied a man who paid legally for his ticket. You guys make my Blood boil...have some fucking empathy[/QUOTE] That's funny. I thought they forcibly removed a passenger who wasn't complying with lawful commands. I mean what do you guys expect to happen? Cop: "Sir, please stand up and come with us." Passenger: "No." Cop: "Ah shit. He won't comply. Looks like we can't do anything. I guess we have to leave him alone."

I don't know how you can fuck up this badly. One would think the best course of action would be announcing to the passengers that they need volunteers to give up their seat and take the next flight, but receive a free flight or hell even just have their current flight refunded.

[QUOTE=Sunday_Roast;52093674]I don't know how you can fuck up this badly. One would think the best course of action would be announcing to the passengers that they need volunteers to give up their seat and take the next flight, but receive a free flight or hell even just have their current flight refunded.[/QUOTE] That's what they did, but no one volunteered, so they chose 4 people at random to be taken off. One refused to give up his seat and well...

[QUOTE=Sunday_Roast;52093674]I don't know how you can fuck up this badly. One would think the best course of action would be announcing to the passengers that they need volunteers to give up their seat and take the next flight, but receive a free flight or hell even just have their current flight refunded.[/QUOTE] They DID do this. Twice. Did you even read the article? They offered $400 and a hotel stay first, then $800 and a hotel stay, no one volunteered so they chose 4 passengers at random. The first 3 got off without a fuss and the last one (this guy) refused so they called airport security.

I cannot believe airlines have the authority to remove paying passengers that have done nothing wrong. IMO, the LAW should be that if a passenger is already in their seat, they do not have to leave the aircraft if they are not causing a problem. The airline can keep offering money until someone takes the bait, not brutally and forcibly remove someone. Just keep offering higher and higher amounts of money. Eventually someone would probably take it. And if not, well fuck them anyway.

[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;52093315]That's funny. I thought they forcibly removed a passenger who wasn't complying with lawful commands. I mean what do you guys expect to happen? Cop: "Sir, please stand up and come with us." Passenger: "No." Cop: "Ah shit. He won't comply. Looks like we can't do anything. I guess we have to leave him alone."[/QUOTE] It's one thing to remove a non-compliant passenger, it's another to smash their fucking skulls against the seat when they don't show immediate compliance. Keep in mind he's a doctor as well, so it's not some middle class entitled prick throwing a hissyfit even if it's bullshit why they got thrown out the plane, he's an actual doctor with places to be and people to save.

[QUOTE=ThePanther;52094091]I cannot believe airlines have the authority to remove paying passengers that have done nothing wrong. IMO, the LAW should be that if a passenger is already in their seat, they do not have to leave the aircraft if they are not causing a problem. The airline can keep offering money until someone takes the bait, not brutally and forcibly remove someone. Just keep offering higher and higher amounts of money. Eventually someone would probably take it. And if not, well fuck them anyway.[/QUOTE] There's a legal maximum tho [QUOTE=JerryAnderson;52094094]It's one thing to remove a non-compliant passenger, it's another to smash their fucking skulls against the seat when they don't show immediate compliance. Keep in mind he's a doctor as well, so it's not some middle class entitled prick throwing a hissyfit even if it's bullshit why they got thrown out the plane, he's an actual doctor with places to be and people to save.[/QUOTE] I hope his patients know that he gives such little of a damn about their lives then that he takes no precautions regarding transportation. There's an infinite amount of ways that flight could have been delayed.

[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;52093315]That's funny. I thought they forcibly removed a passenger who wasn't complying with lawful commands. I mean what do you guys expect to happen? Cop: "Sir, please stand up and come with us." Passenger: "No." Cop: "Ah shit. He won't comply. Looks like we can't do anything. I guess we have to leave him alone."[/QUOTE] Yeah man, having authorities literally strong arm him was the logical conclusion to removing a customer who 1. Didn't do anything to warrant removal. It was [U]their fuck up[/U] 2. Paid and was already seated Really companies should be allowed to have authorities strong arm anyone they like! [editline]12th April 2017[/editline] Really, beating the shit out of paying customers when you fuck up is honestly the best solution. 100% support this!

[QUOTE=J!NX;52094104]Yeah man, beating the shit out of him was the logical conclusion to removing a customer who 1. Didn't do anything to warrant removal. It was [U]their fuck up[/U] 2. Paid and was already seated Really companies should be allowed to have authorities strong arm anyone they like![/QUOTE] That's not what he was arguing. And don't say they beat the shit out of him. They didn't. The thing is, when someone with authority to use force like airport police are telling you do something, within reason, you do what you're told. If a cop wrongly pulls you over you don't tell him to fuck off and drive away. You put up with it, and contest the ticket later. This bit is purely regarding the use of force in this case by the way, done by the airport police, not united, and not about the initiation of asking him to leave.