Microsoft says its best not to fiddle with its Windows 10 group policies (that don't work)(go Linux) - Sensationalist Headlines

WINE Is Not an Emulator, though, so you shouldn't have any problems running it

[QUOTE=TestECull;52295171]You sure as shit are imposing. Why the fuck would I dualboot? It makes no sense to use linux for the internet then reboot my machine to play a game then reboot again to browse the net. And apparently you missed where I said I dont have the raw HP for emulation, but I mean, sure, if you think an AMD tricore on 8gb of ram and a ten year old platter drive can run modern games in an emulator.... W7 gives me all ths control I want and need over my system. It doesnt do anything I dont tell it to do, lets me set it up exactly how I like and want it, and.....well, just works. I dont have to fuck with command lines to install things, I dont have to worry about game compatibility, I dont have to worry about whether or not the linux driver for a given device is worth anything, I dont need a built in emulator to run shit. For my usage W7 is just simply better than any Linux distro and no amount of aggressive insistence is going to change that. If anything, pushing Linux as hard as you are is going to make me want to use it even less. I've been shooting down this argument for over a decade now. The only change that has happened between then and now is the version of Windows.[/QUOTE] Wine isn't an emulator. I think you'll find it performs a lot better than you believe. But you haven't given it a shot, you've just tried to shoot down arguments, without presenting any of your own. WIndows 7 also does a lot of stuff you don't tell it to do. Did you block the Windows 7 telemetry stuff too?

I am fully aware WINE is not an emulator, but last time I tried to use WINE, it failed to work most of the time. The times it did work, it was either very slow, or corrupted images. Also I don't think it supports the newer Dx versions (unless they fixed that). I COULD use Linux as my main OS. I have enough knowledge and Google-fu, but I got so frustrated at trying to fix daily problems, program failures, and just generally watching the OS break from a single update that I went back to Windows. And that was when I had a nVidia GPU, anyone who has an AMD GPU is fucked when it comes to Linux. And I have one now. I've tried AMD+Linux, and I would not wish that hell upon my greatest enemy. Oh not to mention using Linux on a laptop is a big no-no. It reduced my battery life from 8-9 hours to 2 hours and I was unable to fix it at all. People saying that Linux has gotten easier either must be desperately sugar coating it or somehow the community has come together to unite against Windows (which, from my experiences trying to figure out problems with Google, that is a laughable conclusion. The Linux community is awful.) Google Chromebooks are in the same vein as Android though, they aren't actually Linux (nor can you really do anything with them beyond surfing the web, which if that's all you're doing, yeah Linux is fantastic!)

When's the last time you tried it? It really has come a very long way in a few short years. There's still problems but it's usable enough that I can use it on my laptop as a main OS without issue.

[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;52295241]When's the last time you tried it? It really has come a very long way in a few short years. There's still problems but it's usable enough that I can use it on my laptop as a main OS without issue.[/QUOTE] When I was in college was the last time I used it, that was about 2012. After I got a job I realized that as fast and as flexible as Linux was, it was no longer a valid OS for me because I no longer had time to fix errors, bugs, and make or run workarounds. I needed an OS that worked without much terminal work. So I went back to Windows. I'd likely of killed someone at work or got fired if I had to come home, turn on Linux, be greeted with a mess of a OS, spend my entire free time fixing it, then sleep and go back to work even more pissed off or stressed. And that was my desktop. My laptop was a total mess. From the moment of installing Linux OS, it was a disaster. Most of it's functions didn't work beyond the basic hardware. No HDD locking for falls, ~2 hours of battery life because it couldn't control the backlight or use power saving states, and generally just a buggy ACPM system. No matter how much Google-Fu I did, I could not fix any of those problems. The only thing that fully worked was the Intel iGPU. And the tablet screen worked, but no programs to use with it. At college, I basically had to have it plugged in at all times otherwise it would just die on me. The only benifit was that it played Minecraft better than Windows 7 did because of less overhead.

Yeah, it's come a very long way since 2012. For instance, wireless driver issues are mostly a thing of the past now. Give it another go if you get the chance.

[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;52295261]Yeah, it's come a very long way since 2012. For instance, wireless driver issues are mostly a thing of the past now. Give it another go if you get the chance.[/QUOTE] What about AMD? I main AMD GPUs now, and I think that was the last straw of what drove me away from Linux. It was a disaster to try and get the hardware to perform well (or even work).

I think AMD is still not too hot compared to Nvidia these days but my understanding is that it's usable. Don't quote me on that.

[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;52295279]I think AMD is still not too hot compared to Nvidia these days but my understanding is that it's usable. Don't quote me on that.[/QUOTE] Sounds like it might not be good for daily use for me then, but I'll try to get around to stuffing Mint in a VM to see what's different.

[QUOTE=nagachief;52295270]What about AMD? I main AMD GPUs now, and I think that was the last straw of what drove me away from Linux. It was a disaster to try and get the hardware to perform well (or even work).[/QUOTE] I've only ever used the open source drivers, since I don't want to fiddle with stuff, and the closed source drivers have had bad reputations, but my ATi Radeon 4670 ran pretty well for the 6-7 years it did, until I switched to the AMD Radeon HD 7770 that I use now. Again, no fiddling. My netbook also runs Xubuntu 16.04. It's from 2012, with a 500GB 5400RPM HDD, and an AMD C-60 APU. Runs great, although it doesn't play games very well. It's a netbook. I don't know how you got all those issues, but I guess it being back in 2012 explains a bit. Maybe you should get up to date on things, before talking shit about stuff you have no experience, knowledge, or information about. That's just baseless FUD, and makes you look like a crazy person.

AMD support is almost as good as nvidia now so you should not have any problems, hardware support is significantly better than it was just 5 years ago, most notably audio hardware tends to just work without needing any tweaking which was my main issue back then, wireless adapters are still pretty bad although I would consider this a minor problem since you can pick up a supported one for under $5. [QUOTE=geel9;52294050]Coincidentally, they don't happen nearly as often, and Windows has had [i]decades[/i] of work put into helping it auto-correct the incompetence of its users.[/QUOTE] I'd have to somewhat disagree with that, while Windows itself is generally reliable once you give it to an incompetent user with an internet connection all bets are off, 99% of the problems I've had to deal with are down to users installing shitty software and often malware which ends up screwing the system, you really can't do the same on a Linux system with its package management and inherent security. As a very technically competent person myself I've had Windows fail on me more than a few times, if anything I've found Windows 10 to be even less reliable than Windows Vista, and when things do go wrong typically you end up getting cryptic error codes and have to spend hours trying various solutions which often fail to work, Linux at the least tends to give you a clear message of what is broken and your more likely to find someone who knows how to fix it.

this is an absolute killer for a lot of enterprise implementations total fuckup from microsoft considering the corporate world was the world that lagged behind with the uptake of windows 7

[QUOTE=DogGunn;52292722]Why does an enterprise edition even have ads?[/QUOTE] Gotta get that money, don't care where it comes from. [editline]31st May 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=ilikecorn;52292982] they want to be able to launch things that they download from the internet without wondering "hey, will this work".[/QUOTE] *without finding out after a few Google searches that "it should work" but first they have to go through a 10-step process of installing other dependencies, only to find out that the specific version doesn't work for their hardware configuration, so now they need to go through several more multi-step processes essentially rebuilding their OS into recognizing how it's supposed to use its specific hardware to do a certain thing. Much of the positive feedback I've seen about Linux from friends who were *nix power-users was mostly from the satisfaction they got from getting something to actually work the way they wanted it to. [editline]31st May 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Chryseus;52293315]Wine has actually come quite a long way recently with game compatibility, most games using directx 9 or opengl will work with minimal tweaking now, add to that the increasing number of games supporting linux certainly makes it much more gamer friendly than it used to be. Dual booting is always an option as well, inconvenient yes, but that's a small sacrifice to have a reliable, secure OS that isn't spying on you.[/QUOTE] What good is having a secure OS when you have to boot into a less-secure OS to do things your secure OS can't do very well?

[QUOTE=killerteacup;52294201]Synaptic isn't user frendly for the end user. It might have worked for your family friend but he would be an edge case - I can guarantee you my mum and dad would never in a million years be able to use synaptic. The closest thing I think you can get to user friendly in linux right now is elementary OS. The new app center they just released is about as closer as linux has come to user friendly installation of packages. Plus it hides so many settings that it's a bit easier to get along with. [editline]31st May 2017[/editline] Plus, while I love open source and it's the hill I would die on, try getting support for a linux distribution from someone over the phone. That's a really bloody hard sell. People I know call microsoft support or their ISP when their internet breaks. They're not going to be googling stack overflow to figure out some esoteric synchronisation error in their package manager that's stopping them from installing spotify[/QUOTE] That's because they haven't bought a Linux distro, they won't get support if they don't pay for it, with windows you get support because you pay for it. [editline]31st May 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Zero-Point;52295999]Gotta get that money, don't care where it comes from. [editline]31st May 2017[/editline] *without finding out after a few Google searches that "it should work" but first they have to go through a 10-step process of installing other dependencies, only to find out that the specific version doesn't work for their hardware configuration, so now they need to go through several more multi-step processes essentially rebuilding their OS into recognizing how it's supposed to use its specific hardware to do a certain thing. Much of the positive feedback I've seen about Linux from friends who were *nix power-users was mostly from the satisfaction they got from getting something to actually work the way they wanted it to. [editline]31st May 2017[/editline] What good is having a secure OS when you have to boot into a less-secure OS to do things your secure OS can't do very well?[/QUOTE] Nowdays installing dependencies manually is not a thing anymore, when you install a package all of the dependencies are automatically installed in most distros. Having a secure OS and having to boot to a less secure OS is not an issue, if your Linux partition/disk is properly encrypted it should be as secure. Hardware drivers, specially for input are not needed on Linux, only the graphics card needs them, and that's because it needs external proprietary drivers. I switched to Ubuntu a few years ago because what drove towards it was the package management which was a new concept to me but made a lot of sense and the customizability to get better productivity, I am a person that likes to fiddle with my OS so I moved to Arch because of the AUR and the base system's minimalism and recently I'm thinking of moving to something else. It's just so amazing hitting a button in octopi and getting the program I need without any compatbility issues, literally the only thing that keeps me on windows is simracing, and even those aren't really an issue because I can run rfactor 2 and dirt rally on wine without issues, and if I need something more arcadey I have F1 2015.

[QUOTE=mastersrp;52295218]Wine isn't an emulator. I think you'll find it performs a lot better than you believe. But you haven't given it a shot, you've just tried to shoot down arguments, without presenting any of your own. WIndows 7 also does a lot of stuff you don't tell it to do. Did you block the Windows 7 telemetry stuff too?[/QUOTE] Alright, you want me to present an argument? Here's two very good reasons I dont use linux. 1: I dont fucking want to. 2: People, like you, push it so aggressively Microsoft cant even compete. Like, seriously, you cant accept that not everyone wants to put up with that flavor of OS. The aggressiveness with which *nix users push it is a major put-off. Makes me not want to use it simply so I dont have to associate even tenuously with you. Learn to accept that Linux isnt for every machine and when you get resistance from someone who clearly doesnt want it just back off and let them run their computer their way.

[QUOTE=TestECull;52296241]Alright, you want me to present an argument? Here's two very good reasons I dont use linux. 1: I dont fucking want to. 2: People, like you, push it so aggressively Microsoft cant even compete. Like, seriously, you cant accept that not everyone wants to put up with that flavor of OS. The aggressiveness with which *nix users push it is a major put-off. Makes me not want to use it simply so I dont have to associate even tenuously with you. Learn to accept that Linux isnt for every machine and when you get resistance from someone who clearly doesnt want it just back off and let them run their computer their way.[/QUOTE] Sounds like you don't want any OS at this point. You're being way more aggressive than any of these people offering you alternatives.

[QUOTE=nagachief;52295232] Google Chromebooks are in the same vein as Android though, they aren't actually Linux (nor can you really do anything with them beyond surfing the web, which if that's all you're doing, yeah Linux is fantastic!)[/QUOTE] [URL]https://github.com/dnschneid/crouton[/URL] [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qiP3lcDykA[/URL] [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbpLw7Lvc-A[/URL] [URL]http://www.androidpolice.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/nexus2cee_Screenshot_20160902-120700-728x409.png[/URL] [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfCGF8Q3fAs[/URL] [URL]https://galliumos.org/[/URL] [QUOTE=TestECull;52296241] Learn to accept that Linux isnt for every machine and when you get resistance from someone who clearly doesnt want it just back off and let them run their computer their way.[/QUOTE] "I DON'T LIKE THING"

[QUOTE=plunger435;52296751]Sounds like you don't want any OS at this point. You're being way more aggressive than any of these people offering you alternatives.[/QUOTE] I swear to God he's so enraged he can't even read anymore. Case in point: look at the number of swear words he has to use to "argue", and how he's totally ignored my last phrase in a post as me "imposing shit": [QUOTE=Nabile13;52293403]But of course you're free to stay on the platform of [I]your[/I] choice, it's not like I'm imposing anything :)[/QUOTE] But I digress. The shit flinging in this thread shows how heated this whole thing is. It's either you're a diehard Microsoft consumer, or you're some marginal weirdo that breathes GNU, which isn't how the world works. OSes are tools, you use what fits your needs. Last note: Microsoft holds a huge market share, they're not anywhere near being victims of competitive unfairness. It's uncanny to see the amount of people defending AMD in the CPU area for a fairer market, but not when it comes to operating systems.

I just wanna say linux can never truly succeed in the desktop/laptop market without full cross-compatibility with Windows applications. Apart from web content, almost everything out there is built for windows. And forget obscure open source alternatives to big names, most of them are terrible, or just not as powerful. The things that don't suck are generally already popular in their niche already, often with windows builds. Don't forget a LOT of professional software only runs on Windows (or OSX), so college students with required software such as the Adobe suite or Solidworks for example have no choice in the matter. A kid going into audio engineering is probably gonna get stuck with Protools. People that aren't already computer people are just gonna continue passively getting better at using windows (or OSX) and making it harder for them to adjust to other things. It sounds insane, and it totally is, which is why it will never happen. But what about Android? Android IS linux and and it IS ubiquitous, but it succeeded because it's a single highly customized, highly modular distro for things with touch-interfaces that are not standard computers. It has a walled garden of applications that will work on the device no matter what, things that won't work are not available to the user on that device. It's not a desktop OS and doesn't pretend to be. It's dead simple to use. (we don't talk about honeycomb) People have expectations from their computers, and the way they work, even down to appearances. The fact that Linux does all the same basic functions is not nearly enough, and Dell has shown that demand for Linux on boxed PCs is extremely low, and frankly a lot of people don't care about their computers and have literally no desire to learn anything new about using them. What they learned in school or their job plus whatever they've picked up on the way is all they ever care to know. People understand (click link > click file > click next/yes a few times > use program) and not much more. Johnny Shitwit needs to be able to link Sally Dingus to a program online and have it ~justwerk~ with a few clicks just like Windows, no command lines, no SVNs, no making sure the software you want is compiled for your flavor of linux. No bullshit. Those of you who have worked IT know what it's like to tell the client/customer "find your internet and open it" or describe the icon they need instead of telling them to open their browser or namedrop IE. People that have no desire to learn won't, and there simply aren't and won't ever be enough desktop linux users for the software giants to get interested, because there aren't enough nerds that want to tightly control their computer experience. (and let's be real, you HAVE TO customize the hell out of your install, because the stock experience is never very good) Microsoft Windows is literally ingrained in society for better or for worse. It's a vicious circle of (Linux needs more users to get the AAA software > AAA software isn't available natively on Linux so people don't use it)

[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;52295279]Did not quote you on that[/QUOTE] AMD has come a looooooooooooong way into properly supporting Linux, with Valve, Red Hat and AMD hiring MESA developers to work on it full time. I'd say performance under Wine/Wine-CSMT or Wine-GalliumNine should be enough to play FONV and friends. [editline]31st May 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=AugustBurnsRed;52297685]<text>[/QUOTE] Lmao, to add to that I have issues with CC undergrads studying with me having a hard time googling, loads of people just can't RTFM at all.

Meh. Bash me all you want for being 'uninformed'. When my life is a ball of stress, I just want my computer to work, otherwise I'll just toss it out my window in a blood rage one day. I used to be into fixing computers and programs, but nowadays I'll likely get a stress stroke from trying to fix any problem that turns up in Linux or WINE (especially since most games I play either have a anti-cheat system that is sensitive as fuck or is newer than dx9). When I just want to unwind killing some mooks in a game instead of fixing sudden, grand problem #12912. Edit: I should also probably mention back when I was using Linux, I had shit internet so any packages that requires more packages were painful to download. It got frustrating, especially when things broke so badly I had to start from scratch.

[QUOTE=nagachief;52297949]Meh. Bash me all you want for being 'uninformed'. When my life is a ball of stress, I just want my computer to work, otherwise I'll just toss it out my window in a blood rage one day. I used to be into fixing computers and programs, but nowadays I'll likely get a stress stroke from trying to fix any problem that turns up in Linux or WINE (especially since most games I play either have a anti-cheat system that is sensitive as fuck or is newer than dx9). When I just want to unwind killing some mooks in a game instead of fixing sudden, grand problem #12912. Edit: I should also probably mention back when I was using Linux, I had shit internet so any packages that requires more packages were painful to download. It got frustrating, especially when things broke so badly I had to start from scratch.[/QUOTE] Interestingly enough, this is actually why I use Linux. I got tired of having Windows problems, and I can see other people in the same boat as well. They don't want to mess about, but they get anxious when their computer suddently has to reboot on their exams, or while writing projects. Whatever Microsoft has been doing on the latest version has only furthered Linux adoption, simply because Windows 10 is, for more people than before, working less ideally than several Linux distributions. But yea, I use Linux because it's the only thing where I can 100% know it works, if I don't fiddle with shit. Audio works, games work, movies, music, hell I was even going to open a 7z file yesterday and it didn't work, because I didn't have anything to open it with, so my archive application simply asked me if I wanted to install the software that could open it. I said yes, it installed, and it then automatically continued opening the file afterwards. That's what I want. Just working, no fiddling, no problems.

[QUOTE=AugustBurnsRed;52297685]I just wanna say linux can never truly succeed in the desktop/laptop market without full cross-compatibility with Windows applications. Apart from web content, almost everything out there is built for windows. And forget obscure open source alternatives to big names, most of them are terrible, or just not as powerful. The things that don't suck are generally already popular in their niche already, often with windows builds. Don't forget a LOT of professional software only runs on Windows (or OSX), so college students with required software such as the Adobe suite or Solidworks for example have no choice in the matter. A kid going into audio engineering is probably gonna get stuck with Protools. People that aren't already computer people are just gonna continue passively getting better at using windows (or OSX) and making it harder for them to adjust to other things. It sounds insane, and it totally is, which is why it will never happen. But what about Android? Android IS linux and and it IS ubiquitous, but it succeeded because it's a single highly customized, highly modular distro for things with touch-interfaces that are not standard computers. It has a walled garden of applications that will work on the device no matter what, things that won't work are not available to the user on that device. It's not a desktop OS and doesn't pretend to be. It's dead simple to use. (we don't talk about honeycomb) People have expectations from their computers, and the way they work, even down to appearances. The fact that Linux does all the same basic functions is not nearly enough, and Dell has shown that demand for Linux on boxed PCs is extremely low, and frankly a lot of people don't care about their computers and have literally no desire to learn anything new about using them. What they learned in school or their job plus whatever they've picked up on the way is all they ever care to know. People understand (click link > click file > click next/yes a few times > use program) and not much more. Johnny Shitwit needs to be able to link Sally Dingus to a program online and have it ~justwerk~ with a few clicks just like Windows, no command lines, no SVNs, no making sure the software you want is compiled for your flavor of linux. No bullshit. Those of you who have worked IT know what it's like to tell the client/customer "find your internet and open it" or describe the icon they need instead of telling them to open their browser or namedrop IE. People that have no desire to learn won't, and there simply aren't and won't ever be enough desktop linux users for the software giants to get interested, because there aren't enough nerds that want to tightly control their computer experience. (and let's be real, you HAVE TO customize the hell out of your install, because the stock experience is never very good) Microsoft Windows is literally ingrained in society for better or for worse. It's a vicious circle of (Linux needs more users to get the AAA software > AAA software isn't available natively on Linux so people don't use it)[/QUOTE] You can really boil it down to, "if it doesn't look exactly like their used to, people won't use it". People bitched going from Office 2003 to 2007, because it rearranged their buttons. But most people are used to it 10 years later, go figure. Of course, I know a few people bitching out Office 2010 to 2013, saying it was missing functions, when in reality the icon style changed. People staying on Windows 7 not because of privacy issues, but because Windows 8/10 changes where buttons are. So if that's how they feel about Win8/10, imagine giving them an OS as radically different as Linux. Doesn't matter if it literally does everything Windows does for them. They will stick up their nose at it, and declare with authority, that "its a piece of shit". You can't help some people. Thinking conceptually and not on rote memorization is something not very many people are good at, period. When it comes to computers, there is a reason an entire profession revolves around troubleshooting for other people.

what a bunch of bullshit; 2018 will be the year of the TempleOS desktop

[QUOTE=Demache;52298682]You can really boil it down to, "if it doesn't look exactly like their used to, people won't use it". People bitched going from Office 2003 to 2007, because it rearranged their buttons. But most people are used to it 10 years later, go figure. Of course, I know a few people bitching out Office 2010 to 2013, saying it was missing functions, when in reality the icon style changed. People staying on Windows 7 not because of privacy issues, but because Windows 8/10 changes where buttons are. So if that's how they feel about Win8/10, imagine giving them an OS as radically different as Linux. Doesn't matter if it literally does everything Windows does for them. They will stick up their nose at it, and declare with authority, that "its a piece of shit". You can't help some people. Thinking conceptually and not on rote memorization is something not very many people are good at, period. When it comes to computers, there is a reason an entire profession revolves around troubleshooting for other people.[/QUOTE] I transitioned folks from 07 and 10 to 2013, that was rough. Especially since there were numerous problems with all their fancy costly plugins they used, and bugs cause by office 2010 remnants. This same company once reset >10,000 passwords and never said why. 4500+ ticket backlog at the helpdesk.

[QUOTE=AugustBurnsRed;52297685]I just wanna say linux can never truly succeed in the desktop/laptop market without full cross-compatibility with Windows applications. Apart from web content, almost everything out there is built for windows. And forget obscure open source alternatives to big names, most of them are terrible, or just not as powerful. The things that don't suck are generally already popular in their niche already, often with windows builds. Don't forget a LOT of professional software only runs on Windows (or OSX), so college students with required software such as the Adobe suite or Solidworks for example have no choice in the matter. A kid going into audio engineering is probably gonna get stuck with Protools. People that aren't already computer people are just gonna continue passively getting better at using windows (or OSX) and making it harder for them to adjust to other things. It sounds insane, and it totally is, which is why it will never happen. But what about Android? Android IS linux and and it IS ubiquitous, but it succeeded because it's a single highly customized, highly modular distro for things with touch-interfaces that are not standard computers. It has a walled garden of applications that will work on the device no matter what, things that won't work are not available to the user on that device. It's not a desktop OS and doesn't pretend to be. It's dead simple to use. (we don't talk about honeycomb) People have expectations from their computers, and the way they work, even down to appearances. The fact that Linux does all the same basic functions is not nearly enough, and Dell has shown that demand for Linux on boxed PCs is extremely low, and frankly a lot of people don't care about their computers and have literally no desire to learn anything new about using them. What they learned in school or their job plus whatever they've picked up on the way is all they ever care to know. People understand (click link > click file > click next/yes a few times > use program) and not much more. Johnny Shitwit needs to be able to link Sally Dingus to a program online and have it ~justwerk~ with a few clicks just like Windows, no command lines, no SVNs, no making sure the software you want is compiled for your flavor of linux. No bullshit. Those of you who have worked IT know what it's like to tell the client/customer "find your internet and open it" or describe the icon they need instead of telling them to open their browser or namedrop IE. People that have no desire to learn won't, and there simply aren't and won't ever be enough desktop linux users for the software giants to get interested, because there aren't enough nerds that want to tightly control their computer experience. (and let's be real, you HAVE TO customize the hell out of your install, because the stock experience is never very good) Microsoft Windows is literally ingrained in society for better or for worse. It's a vicious circle of (Linux needs more users to get the AAA software > AAA software isn't available natively on Linux so people don't use it)[/QUOTE] The problem is teaching windows in schools, if kids depend on software made by microsoft when they finish their education they won't get copies anymore. We should teach both windows and an additional user friendly distro.

[QUOTE=eirexe;52298749]The problem is teaching windows in schools, if kids depend on software made by microsoft when they finish their education they won't get copies anymore. We should teach both windows and an additional user friendly distro.[/QUOTE] Exactly. The pretty poor state of computer education is a problem. When I took an entry level operating environments course in University, we used both Windows and CentOS. While that specific course was more on the administrative side, it could be adapted for general purpose usage. Obviously no one distro is the definitive flavor of Linux, but any distro is better than Windows only. When I went to primary school, they were so busy teaching you how to use Microsoft Word, rather than teaching how to use a computer. If that's all you ever show them, it's no surprise that they demand MS Office. They can't imagine using anything else.

[QUOTE=SAULSBASHWALL;52298735]what a bunch of bullshit; 2018 will be the year of the TempleOS desktop[/QUOTE] 640x480x16bpp is the way god intented, the [B]only[/B] way.

[QUOTE=Demache;52299434]Exactly. The pretty poor state of computer education is a problem. When I took an entry level operating environments course in University, we used both Windows and CentOS. While that specific course was more on the administrative side, it could be adapted for general purpose usage. Obviously no one distro is the definitive flavor of Linux, but any distro is better than Windows only. When I went to primary school, they were so busy teaching you how to use Microsoft Word, rather than teaching how to use a computer. If that's all you ever show them, it's no surprise that they demand MS Office. They can't imagine using anything else.[/QUOTE] If you cover Ubuntu and something RHEL based though you've covered a large majority of what anyone would ever be using.

[QUOTE=eirexe;52298749]The problem is teaching windows in schools, if kids depend on software made by microsoft when they finish their education they won't get copies anymore. We should teach both windows and an additional user friendly distro.[/QUOTE] Most universities over here avoid this whole problem by just using the open source stuff that's out there and telling students to do whatever. Need a desktop publishing app? I don't care, just give me a PDF output. Need development tools? You're probably learning Java anyway so fuck it. We just need to move this mindset to schools more really, teaching nothing but MS Word, etc. is okay until your kid joins a company that uses Macs or something and discovers that the Apple equivalent is fucking terrible, but the company won't but Word for Mac.