Mass Shooting in Las Vegas - 58 Dead at Least 515 Injured, Suspect Killed - Sensationalist Headlines

[QUOTE=RearAdmiral;52738830]Honestly wondering how long it's going to take before America gets desensitized to this. It's only a matter of time if the situation doesn't change drastically.[/QUOTE] I think the problem is some of us already are. I mean, see Clinton's tweet for proof.

[QUOTE=DrDevil;52738651]I'm no gun expert, but don't guns eventually jam and fail when you fire that many bullets in such rapid succession?[/QUOTE] Not really. Well, shitty ones. The main issues from sustained rapid fire are rapid barrel wear and cooking rounds off as soon as they chamber. The former just makes it inaccurate, but the latter will cause thermal runaway and the gun will either fire on its own till the mag runs out...the latent heat of the breech acting as a surrogate firing pin to detonate each round...or get so hot that it cooks a round off before said round is fully in battery and blowing yhe arse end out of the gun.

[QUOTE=MedicWine;52738840]I think the problem is some of us already are. I mean, see Clinton's tweet for proof.[/QUOTE] Kind of a wierd parralel if you consider Trump was straight in there tweeting about Pulse when that happened. Think you might be onto something there.

[QUOTE=RearAdmiral;52738830]Honestly wondering how long it's going to take before America gets desensitized to this. It's only a matter of time if the situation doesn't change drastically.[/QUOTE] What can we really do? I doubt anyone can make a drastic change to the situation, especially on any short timescale. Lone wolves can carry out too much destruction alone undetected. The best we can do is large cultural shifts in how we view firearms and mental health, but even then that only does so much.

[QUOTE=OvB;52738805] Not sure what they could do other than have metal detectors/luggage screening which would be a huge drag to customers coming back at 3am from a night of drinking and gambling. You could probably bump up security patrols to look out for suspicious activity but that's still not gonna stop an inconspicuous 60 something year old man from carrying in a small armory in his suit case.[/QUOTE] Yeah, I figure just having a large security presence might be their go-to.

turns out everyone I was searching for is safe. If you know anyone or are in the area and want to donate blood here are some addresses courtesy of Ethan Klien: [img]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DLJYWLzV4AA4pR7.jpg[/img]

[QUOTE=Str4fe;52738791]Wow. The election really was lose/lose for you americans.[/QUOTE] It didn't have to be. That's the worst part. There were valid candidates on both sides that got strung up by their own party because of these two scumfucks

Someone mentioned he served in the military, apparently not. [QUOTE]"He has no military background or anything like that. [/QUOTE] [url]http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41472462?ocid=socialflow_facebook&ns_mchannel=social&ns_campaign=bbcnews&ns_source=facebook[/url]

[QUOTE=Toybasher;52738441][media]https://twitter.com/AP/status/914861081033625600[/media][/QUOTE] I wonder what would happen if all the big news outlets started to ignore these "claims" until there was concrete proof obviously that wouldnt happen on a wide scale as there are agendas to push (no accusing this, just saying)

[QUOTE=GhillieBacca;52738773]First photos of Paddock's vantage points [t]https://i.imgur.com/Nm7yHQA.jpg[/t] [t]https://i.imgur.com/Aa8iDLC.jpg[/t][/QUOTE] Goddamn, I can't imagine what a room that big would cost per night...

58 people dead Jesus fucking Christ

[QUOTE=RearAdmiral;52738865]Kind of a wierd parralel if you consider Trump was straight in there tweeting about Pulse when that happened. Think you might be onto something there.[/QUOTE] I don't think that in particular is a matter of desensitisation...more who was suspected of the shooting from minute zero. Trump tends to tweet non-stop about attacks performed by anyone who isn't white. Blaming the governments (local and higher, as long as it's not his), the people, etc. for it. But he kept weirdly quiet this time around... Makes you think 🤔 Clintons' tweets are just her doing her, she's a politician through and through, and trying to bring up legislation shortly after an event a politician think that legislation would have helped mitigate isn't exactly a rare occurrence. It happens both sides of the aisle, all around the world. It's not that she's a totally disconnected psychopath or anything. It's a politician thing (okay okay, those two things seem to go hand in hand anyway).

[QUOTE=Aman;52738446]Yeah, ISIS officially claimed it which is odd. They don't [I]usually[/I] claim BS so maybe he actually did have some Islamic terror lone wolf in him? But, this would be their third false claim in recent months. So it doesn't feel right. Probably not ISIS related. [IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DLI21MHWkAIM7WJ.jpg:large[/IMG][/QUOTE] It's really not surprising that they would claim responsibility, even if they had absolutely nothing to do with the shooting. The objective of extremist organizations like ISIS in perpetrating or claiming responsibility for attacks like this is to sow fear, chaos, and distrust in an effort to further ostracize Muslims from the West, making them more vulnerable to radicalization and recruitment. This attack is going to have catastrophic consequences either way, but if they can utilize it to help further drive in the wedge of Islamophobic fear and hatred, they will. Doing so helps them secure power and influence. That said, the police have said that, so far, there appear to be no links to Islamic extremist groups. By all reported accounts, the gunman was a lone wolf with a history of psychological disorders and a family history of psychopathy.

[QUOTE=Duck M.;52738885]What can we really do? I doubt anyone can make a drastic change to the situation, especially on any short timescale. Lone wolves can carry out too much destruction alone undetected. The best we can do is large cultural shifts in how we view firearms and mental health, but even then that only does so much.[/QUOTE] I mean ultimately that's what's needed, which is an inconvenient truth for the american people but the reality of the situation is the United States is really the only economically advanced nation where this kind of situation happens on a regular basis. The only question is how many more people have to die before steps are made to rectify the situation, or if steps are going to be made at all.

[QUOTE=Fire Kracker;52738654]She's using a tragedy to spread misinformation so that she could push her agenda against the NRA [media]https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton/status/914853632083877888[/media] Yo People, I’m really sad for you, Imma let you finish but the NRA is the more evil villain that we should focus on…one of the most evil![/QUOTE] "Please set politics aside so I can exploit this tragedy to push a dumb political narrative!" Fuck off. Also for everyone's information, I'd like to point out that suppressed gunshots are still usually over 120 decibels.

Christ almighty, I'm genuinely not sure, but have we ever had a shooting with this high a number of dead/wounded in the U.S.? I ask because I don't know the exact number for other shootings. This level of death and injury from one shooting is near [I]unprecedented[/I].

[QUOTE=Zaravan;52738992]Christ almighty, I'm genuinely not sure, but have we ever had a shooting with this high a number of dead/wounded in the U.S.? I ask because I don't know the exact number for other shootings. This level of death and injury from one shooting is near [I]unprecedented[/I].[/QUOTE] It is, as of right now, the deadliest shooting in modern U.S. history.

[QUOTE=RearAdmiral;52738966]I mean ultimately that's what's needed, which is an inconvenient truth for the american people but the reality of the situation is the United States is really the only economically advanced nation where this kind of situation happens on a regular basis. The only question is how many more people have to die before steps are made to rectify the situation, or if steps are going to be made at all.[/QUOTE] The US is not exclusive in having murders or mass-attacks. Take a look at France in the past few years for comparison. The US is unique in that guns are readily available, but the availability of a tool is not the cause of the problem. If a terrorist can't source a rifle through a gunshop, then he'll buy one illegally or smuggle one into the country (like they did in France), and if they can't get their hands on a gun, then they'll rent a box truck (like they did in France). The US' murder rate with firearms and overall has been declining despite the fact that guns in general are cheaper and more readily available than they've been in decades.

[QUOTE=Pascall;52738999]It is, as of right now, the deadliest shooting in modern U.S. history.[/QUOTE] and the 2nd deadliest in the world, behind Anders Breivik's massacre in Norway

[QUOTE=Zaravan;52738992]Christ almighty, I'm genuinely not sure, but have we ever had a shooting with this high a number of dead/wounded in the U.S.? I ask because I don't know the exact number for other shootings. This level of death and injury from one shooting is near [I]unprecedented[/I].[/QUOTE] Closest thing is the [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_School_disaster"]Bath School Disaster[/URL], but that wasn't committed with exclusively firearms.

I was following this thread early on when the count was at 10, which was 10 too many already. 58 is a horrifyingly high number and nearly four times the injured. What a depressing way to start the month. I hope all of you are safe and found your loves ones alive and well.

That's an auto, not doubt in my mind. Fucking horrid situation, my prayers are with the families.

[QUOTE=AlbertWesker;52738986]"Please set politics aside so I can exploit this tragedy to push a dumb political narrative!" Fuck off. Also for everyone's information, I'd like to point out that suppressed gunshots are still usually over 120 decibels.[/QUOTE] Sorry but if now, when the crisis is fresh and clear in our minds, is not a good time to discuss vital political change...then when is? Also, I would NOT be surprised if a suppressor DID in fact make it quiet enough to cause a couple seconds of confusion as opposed to the obvious *BANG* of the guns.

I think it is a good time to talk about what we can do to prevent things like this from happening again, but at the same time, there is a way to do it with tact. Hillary did not do it with tact.

I'm not at all surprised that she'd do this. 99% of politicians are cunts.

[QUOTE=Pascall;52739048]I think it is a good time to talk about what we can do to prevent things like this from happening again, but at the same time, there is a way to do it with tact.[/QUOTE] I don't think you can prevent this kind of thing without hurting human rights.

[QUOTE=Pascall;52739048]I think it is a good time to talk about what we can do to prevent things like this from happening again, but at the same time, there is a way to do it with tact. Hillary did not do it with tact.[/QUOTE] The good time to talk was when children were gunned down at Sandy Hook. Really don't know when the wake up call will be if there ever is one.

[QUOTE=redBadger;52739067]The good time to talk was when children were gunned down at Sandy Hook. Really don't know when the wake up call will be if there ever is one.[/QUOTE] At this point, I doubt it too. It's upsetting but at what point will people say, "Hey, maybe there's something we should be doing about this."? Baffles me why 'thoughts and prayers' seem to be the extent.

[QUOTE=Pascall;52739075]At this point, I doubt it too. It's upsetting but at what point will people say, "Hey, maybe there's something we should be doing about this."? Baffles me why 'thoughts and prayers' seem to be the extent.[/QUOTE] Seen Bojack Horseman's latest season? There's an entire episode about this, they're producing a Taken spinoff involving someone and mass shootings keep happening.... and they preface everything with "thoughts and prayers" then move on to marketing the film about shooting tons of people anyways This is a biiiiig issue, from culture, to mental health, to firearms regulation, and to how we handle the aftermath. Its not an easy one, and I'm worried that we'll mess this up horribly and make the deaths and injuries all the more tragic

I have family in Vegas. Thankfully they're OK. This is fucking unreal, and yet it happened anyway.