Mass Shooting in Las Vegas - 58 Dead at Least 515 Injured, Suspect Killed - Sensationalist Headlines

Belt-fed AR15s exist. This dude was loaded so he could certainly afford that kinda stuff.

[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;52740907] The thing is, that is not 30 or 100 rounds. That's something much, much longer lasting. Would it be possible to convert a semi-auto belt-fed RPK/RPD?[/QUOTE] It is possible to convert one and not really that difficult if you know what you're doing.

[QUOTE=RainbowStalin;52739900]Does that genuinely happen enough to be constant threat for you guys.[/QUOTE] A constant threat? No. Do I want to die because I was unprepared for that once-in-a-lifetime attack? Also no.

[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;52740907]If I were to guess, probably an overheat. Another possibility is a Binary Trigger: [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVJHVqgXRVI[/media] The thing is, that is not 30 or 100 rounds. That's something much, much longer lasting. Would it be possible to convert a semi-auto belt-fed RPK/RPD?[/QUOTE] It's possible to turn any semi-auto into a full auto, it's just some require A LOT more fanagling to do so Safely. Anyone can make a gun full auto with a poormans job, but it will more than likely not function correctly or have an out of battery discharge.

how could something like this be prevented? there are lots of places in most cities where tall buildings overlook large areas where groups of people gather for events. i can think of dozens of places like that in my city. what's to stop someone from doing this overlooking, say, a football stadium, or something equally as packed and as hard to escape? because sure, venues themselves are typically pretty secure, but do we just rely on hotel security to make sure the skyline around us is secure? i can't even begin to think about what to do here.

It's hard to imagine how someone could arrive to that state of mind. What must they have been thinking? It's terrifying that people can just snap and go insane. I feel like this shit is never gonna be preventable and it's just going to get worse.

[QUOTE=sgman91;52740879]The shots seems weirdly inconsistently spaced for a fully-automatic weapon.[/QUOTE] Sometimes weak springs, time for it to actually cycle the bolt, and a number of other things can cause ARs to fire at a variable speed in fully automatic. I agree though, it gets awfully slow in the middle there, so I'm thinking its either binary of bump fire.

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That's a high fucking toll of dead and injured. Didn't know what i expected when this developed yesterday, but i didn't expect it to get this bad. Did they even figure out the guy's motive?

[QUOTE=St33m;52741057]That's a high fucking toll of dead and injured. Didn't know what i expected when this developed yesterday, but i didn't expect it to get this bad. Did they even figure out the guy's motivation?[/QUOTE] There's still no news on his motivation, but they found dozens more guns in his house, that's about all since yesterday

[QUOTE=Lambeth;52740707]I dunno, a tragedy to me is something you can't prevent. Like an earthquake, which you can't really prevent. Not to disagree with your other two points but I don't like the implication* that those trying to say "let's prevent something this bad from happening ever again" and "let's kick out all the muslims" are two sides of the same coin. *I'm probably inferring this [/QUOTE] They unfortunately are two sides of the same coin. The people who believe that they should kick out muslims, do feel like muslims [i]are[/i] terrorists, despite them not being it. They believe they can prevent any kind of terrorism from happening again, and honestly they're just scared.

there're ways for rapid fire for rifles like AR-15 which would explain the weird firerate each time revolution is done, it fires 3 rounds ... up to like 700rpm [video=youtube;jif4Wo0LDX8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jif4Wo0LDX8[/video] anyway this is purely factual comment i'm disgusted by someone murdering unarmed civilians (no matter how or why or numbers) there isn't anything to justify such crime

[QUOTE=J Paul;52740947]how could something like this be prevented? there are lots of places in most cities where tall buildings overlook large areas where groups of people gather for events. i can think of dozens of places like that in my city. what's to stop someone from doing this overlooking, say, a football stadium, or something equally as packed and as hard to escape? because sure, venues themselves are typically pretty secure, but do we just rely on hotel security to make sure the skyline around us is secure? i can't even begin to think about what to do here.[/QUOTE] Best bet is to just try to prevent the people that would do something like this by providing adequate healthcare.

On the topic of gun control, from a Venezuelan's PoV. I think everyone should have the right to own a firearm, I think that the more people that have weapons the better. Why? Because I believe there's more people out there willing to fight to preserve life rather than destroy it. I believe if more people owned guns, less crime would occur, since response time from citizens would be quicker than police response time. As far as I've seen, crimes occur to those that can't defend themselves. If you want peace, you must be willing to fight for it.

Yeah, just one city over where I live has a massive populace of homeless people with extreme schizophrenia. Instead of helping them, the city closed 3 of the shelters down and transported them to Orlando. Who does that??? As for gun laws, I see it like drugs. Yes, they are illegal, but that doesnt mean they arent found all over the place. Maybe its cause I live near Miami, but finding cocaine, molly, etc. is so easy, you can find it on a high school student in 9th grade.

[QUOTE=im not iRunner;52741450]On the topic of gun control, from a Venezuelan's PoV. I think everyone should have the right to own a firearm, I think that the more people that have weapons the better. Why? Because I believe there's more people out there willing to fight to preserve life rather than destroy it. I believe if more people owned guns, less crime would occur, since response time from citizens would be quicker than police response time. As far as I've seen, crimes occur to those that can't defend themselves. If you want peace, you must be willing to fight for it.[/QUOTE] You'll probably need those guns to knock over your government too.

Apparently some of his rifles in the hotel had bump stocks. Which suggests the possibility that the guns were legally obtained and adapted. [quote] MESQUITE, Nev. (AP) — Stephen Paddock had a penchant for guns, high-limit video poker and real estate deals. His father was a notorious fugitive bank robber. He had a recent live-in girlfriend and two ex-wives and seemed to live a comfortable life in a Nevada retirement community. ... Some of the rifles had scopes, the sheriff said. And authorities found two gun stocks that could have let him modify weapons to make them fully automatic, according to two U.S. officials briefed by law enforcement who spoke on condition of anonymity because the investigation is still unfolding. ...[/quote] [url]http://www.businessinsider.com/las-vegas-gunman-had-a-penchant-for-guns-poker-and-real-estate-2017-10[/url] Bump stock for the uninitiated: [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gWrthH2OK4[/media]

[QUOTE=InfectedPotato;52740974]It's hard to imagine how someone could arrive to that state of mind. What must they have been thinking? It's terrifying that people can just snap and go insane. I feel like this shit is never gonna be preventable and it's just going to get worse.[/QUOTE] It's likely more accurate that this state of mind developed over time as a result of one major factor or multiple factors, instead of just snapping into place. When it's put like that, it seems a lot more preventable imo

[QUOTE=im not iRunner;52741450]On the topic of gun control, from a Venezuelan's PoV. I think everyone should have the right to own a firearm, I think that the more people that have weapons the better. Why? Because I believe there's more people out there willing to fight to preserve life rather than destroy it. I believe if more people owned guns, less crime would occur, since response time from citizens would be quicker than police response time. As far as I've seen, crimes occur to those that can't defend themselves. If you want peace, you must be willing to fight for it.[/QUOTE] Of course in crisis incidents like this, someone could very quickly and easily shoot someone who had nothing to do with the crime.

[QUOTE=Snapster;52740888]yeah, I posted it on like page 3. Such a insane amount of rounds shot off, definitely a dual drum magazine.[/QUOTE] As pointed out previously, theres thousands of ways to make a semi-auto into a faux-auto which is very likely what this guy was running, as for mags he was certainly running either a 100 rounder triple stack or a drum. I kinda suspect theres gonna be a lot of feel good bans coming in soon on devices like cranks, bump stocks, twin fire triggers, drop ins and other mechanical/electrical devices that can raise the rof of a semi auto that'll just ignore the cause of the problem and see it as a solution.

[QUOTE=Reagy;52741527]As pointed out previously, theres thousands of ways to make a semi-auto into a faux-auto which is very likely what this guy was running, as for mags he was certainly running either a 100 rounder triple stack or a drum. I kinda suspect theres gonna be a lot of feel good bans coming in soon on devices like cranks, bump stocks, twin fire triggers, drop ins and other mechanical/electrical devices that can raise the rof of a semi auto that'll just ignore the cause of the problem and see it as a solution.[/QUOTE] I would't be surprised to see attempts to ban quad stack magazines, drums and belts either.

[QUOTE=im not iRunner;52741450]On the topic of gun control, from a Venezuelan's PoV. I think everyone should have the right to own a firearm, I think that the more people that have weapons the better. Why? Because I believe there's more people out there willing to fight to preserve life rather than destroy it. I believe if more people owned guns, less crime would occur, since response time from citizens would be quicker than police response time. As far as I've seen, crimes occur to those that can't defend themselves. If you want peace, you must be willing to fight for it.[/QUOTE] Doesn't Venezuela have the second highest homicide by firearms rate in the world? I'm yet to be convinced that having more guns will make the situation better.

[quote]“If they wouldn’t do anything when children were murdered I have no hope that Repugs will ever do the right thing," Geftman-Gold wrote in comments that have since been deleted from her Facebook page. [B]"I’m actually not even sympathetic bc country music fans often are Republican gun toters."[/B][/quote] [url]http://www.businessinsider.com/cbs-exec-hayley-geftman-gold-fired-las-vegas-victims-remarks-2017-10[/url] Politics tears down humanity into team sports. When you start seeing people as Rep/Dem you have an addiction to news rhetoric porn and need to reevaluate. We got an abundance of tools designed to poke holes in things, untreated, misunderstood mental illness, and a social climate that promotes tearing down people to cliques and we wonder why this kind of shit keeps happening? We've lost our Unity. There is a disconnect between Americans.

[QUOTE=OvB;52741552][url]http://www.businessinsider.com/cbs-exec-hayley-geftman-gold-fired-las-vegas-victims-remarks-2017-10[/url] Politics tears down humanity into team sports. When you start seeing people as Rep/Dem you have an addiction to news rhetoric porn and need to reevaluate. We got an abundance of tools designed to poke holes in things, untreated, misunderstood mental illness, and a social climate that promotes tearing down people to cliques and we wonder why this kind of shit keeps happening? We've lost our Unity. There is a disconnect between Americans.[/QUOTE] Wow, that has to be the fastest career suicide in history.

[QUOTE=J Paul;52740947]how could something like this be prevented? there are lots of places in most cities where tall buildings overlook large areas where groups of people gather for events. i can think of dozens of places like that in my city. what's to stop someone from doing this overlooking, say, a football stadium, or something equally as packed and as hard to escape? because sure, venues themselves are typically pretty secure, but do we just rely on hotel security to make sure the skyline around us is secure? i can't even begin to think about what to do here.[/QUOTE] Hotels can insist they are allowed to rifle through your luggage, which I'd guess would make a lot of people just say no thanks and not stay there.

[QUOTE=Ridge;52741635]Hotels can insist they are allowed to rifle through your luggage, which I'd guess would make a lot of people just say no thanks and not stay there.[/QUOTE] Metal detectors? X-ray scanners? Yeah just about everyone will be stopped but this can't happen again.

Man this is fucked up... I saw the news yesterday but hadn't looked in til today. I'm just glad they stopped the guy, hope the surviving victims are able to recover. What a goddamn mess. Can't even begin to guess what this guy's motivation was.

[QUOTE=GoingPostal13;52741549]Doesn't Venezuela have the second highest homicide by firearms rate in the world? I'm yet to be convinced that having more guns will make the situation better.[/QUOTE] Citizens aren't armed, criminals are.

[quote=Reuters]Paddock was not known to have served in the military, to have suffered from a history of mental illness or to have registered any inkling of social disaffection, political discontent or radical views on social media... “We have no idea what his belief system was,” Clark County Sheriff Joseph Lombardo told reporters on Monday... The closest Paddock appeared to have ever come to a brush with the law was for a traffic infraction, authorities said... Paddock seemed atypical of the overtly troubled, angry young men who experts said have come to embody the profile of most mass shooters. Public records on Paddock point to an itinerant existence across the U.S. West and Southeast, including stints as an apartment manager and aerospace industry worker. But Paddock appeared to be settling in to a quiet life when he bought a home in a Nevada retirement community a few years ago, about an hour’s drive from Las Vegas and the casinos he enjoyed. His brother, Eric, described Stephen Paddock as financially well-off and an enthusiast of video poker games and cruises. “We’re bewildered, and our condolences go out to the victims,” Eric Paddock said in a telephone interview from Orlando, Florida. “We have no idea in the world.” [/quote] [url]http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-lasvegas-shooting/las-vegas-police-look-for-motive-in-deadliest-mass-shooting-in-modern-u-s-history-idUSKCN1C70FU[/url] This guy is a fucking anomaly. What made him snap? As far as we can see, he lived a normal life with no indication that something like this would happen. It also seems like he bought his guns legally: [quote=Reuters]Chris Sullivan, the owner of the Guns & Guitars shop in Mesquite, issued a statement confirming that Paddock was a customer who cleared “all necessary background checks and procedures,” and said his business was cooperating with investigators. “He never gave any indication or reason to believe he was unstable or unfit at any time,” Sullivan said. He did not say how many or the kinds of weapons Paddock purchased there. Lombardo said investigators knew that a gun dealer had come forward to say that he had sold weapons to the suspect, but it was not clear if he was referring to Sullivan. He said police were aware of “some other individuals who were engaged in those transactions,” including at least one in Arizona.[/quote] Also, some fucking [b]horrific[/b] news for you guys form the same article: [quote=Reuters]Lombardo said a search of the suspect’s car turned up a supply of ammonium nitrate, a fertilizer compound that can be formed into explosives and was used in the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing of a federal office building that killed 168 people.[/quote] Thank fucking god the police got to this guy as quickly as they did.

[QUOTE=Lambeth;52741521]Of course in crisis incidents like this, someone could very quickly and easily shoot someone who had nothing to do with the crime.[/QUOTE] Just as easily as the guy in the next room recording this on his phone could've shot this guy and saved hundreds of people if he had a gun