Mass Shooting in Las Vegas - 58 Dead at Least 515 Injured, Suspect Killed - Sensationalist Headlines

[QUOTE=The_J_Hat;52744543]Wait, I thought his girlfriend was the suspicious woman who yelled at the concert that they were all gonna die? Who was that then? Or was that debunked?[/QUOTE] Nope, that was bad info. That's why we so strongly urged people not to post unverified stories.

[QUOTE=The_J_Hat;52744543]Wait, I thought his girlfriend was the suspicious woman who yelled at the concert that they were all gonna die? Who was that then? Or was that debunked?[/QUOTE] Hence don't fucking speculate, I mentioned it earlier. Why do people all of a sudden think they are smarter than officials/intelligence?

[QUOTE=Apache249;52744357]LVMPD released some bodycam footage from officers responding to the shooting. Nothing graphic, really shows the confusion. [video=youtube;MGAtdSyUQSk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGAtdSyUQSk[/video][/QUOTE] I'm still so confused as to how that weapon can still be classified as Semi-automatic. Like if you showed that video to 1000 strangers and asked them if the weapon used was semi or auto, 100% of them would answer auto. Don't get me wrong, I have no big issue with guns, but if America is gonna put so much legislation on automatic guns and then let stuff like this slide? It makes absolutely no sense to me.

[QUOTE=booster;52745188]I'm still so confused as to how that weapon can still be classified as Semi-automatic. Like if you showed that video to 1000 strangers and asked them if the weapon used was semi or auto, 100% of them would answer auto. Don't get me wrong, I have no big issue with guns, but if America is gonna put so much legislation on automatic guns and then let stuff like this slide? It makes absolutely no sense to me.[/QUOTE] Pulling the trigger of a semi automatic rifle in rapid succession does not automatically classify the gun as an automatic, even if the rate of fire comes close to it's fully automatic counterpart.

So there was no motivation other than "old succesful asshole got bored in life and decided to shoot a ton of people before offing himself"? This doesn't feel like it was done to make a statement.

[url]http://nypost.com/2017/10/02/cbs-exec-fired-for-unsympathetic-vegas-massacre-post/[/url] [quote]“If they wouldn’t do anything when children were murdered I have no hope that Repugs will ever do the right thing,” she wrote on Facebook. “I’m actually not even sympathetic bc country music fans often are Republican gun toters.”[/quote] lmao what the fuck

[QUOTE=booster;52745188]I'm still so confused as to how that weapon can still be classified as Semi-automatic. Like if you showed that video to 1000 strangers and asked them if the weapon used was semi or auto, 100% of them would answer auto. Don't get me wrong, I have no big issue with guns, but if America is gonna put so much legislation on automatic guns and then let stuff like this slide? It makes absolutely no sense to me.[/QUOTE] Semi automatic means that only one bullet is fired when you pull the trigger, even if you hold it down. The shooter had a buttstock on the rifles which allows him to use the recoil of the gun to bounce his finger off the trigger, allowing it to reset the trigger and prep to fire again. You then hold the gun in such a way as to keep pressure towards the rear, and your finger bounces like a pogo stick on the trigger, quickly pulling the trigger again and again, firing off a round each time.

[QUOTE=Keychain;52745269][url]http://nypost.com/2017/10/02/cbs-exec-fired-for-unsympathetic-vegas-massacre-post/[/url] lmao what the fuck[/QUOTE] A lot of people don't realize the shooter was a couple hundred meters away at an elevated position. Lemme just whip out my pistol and shoot the guy I can't see

[QUOTE=Ignhelper;52745004]Hence don't fucking speculate, I mentioned it earlier. Why do people all of a sudden think they are smarter than officials/intelligence?[/QUOTE] No they think it's some sort of cover up or government conspiracy. You won't believe how many post I see about "how did a 60 year old man carry all those guns up to the 30th floor????" Apparently guns weigh a lot and elevators don't exist.

[QUOTE=BusterBluth;52745530]No they think it's some sort of cover up or government conspiracy. You won't believe how many post I see about "how did a 60 year old man carry all those guns up to the 30th floor????" Apparently guns weigh a lot and elevators don't exist.[/QUOTE] This attack wasn't perpetrated by a Muslim, of course people are going to formulate strange conspiracies

The conspiracy theories are sickening.

[QUOTE=Quark:;52745532]This attack wasn't perpetrated by a Muslim, of course people are going to formulate strange conspiracies[/QUOTE] [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9/11_Truth_movement"]Implying people don't come up with wild conspiracy theories when the attackers are Muslim?[/URL]

[QUOTE=Kljunas;52745587][URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9/11_Truth_movement"]Implying people don't come up with wild conspiracy theories when the attackers are Muslim?[/URL][/QUOTE] The entire conspiracy surrounding the 9/11 attacks typically pertains to the U.S. Government (a non-Muslim organization) being complicit in the attacks. My point was that whenever "muslim terrorists" can't be blamed effectively, a wild conspiracy is spawned.

I feel like conspiracy theories are likely to pop up regardless of the persons nationality. If anything it adds a nuance to them. [I]"Well the Deep State planted the arab body double to make it seem like the attack was a terrorist attack so that Trump angrily lashes out at Saudi Arabia! aaand also something something bilderberg, something something security corporations contracted with the casino profit from heighten security because of this.[/I]

[QUOTE=Ridge;52745437]Semi automatic means that only one bullet is fired when you pull the trigger, even if you hold it down. The shooter had a buttstock on the rifles which allows him to use the recoil of the gun to bounce his finger off the trigger, allowing it to reset the trigger and prep to fire again. You then hold the gun in such a way as to keep pressure towards the rear, and your finger bounces like a pogo stick on the trigger, quickly pulling the trigger again and again, firing off a round each time.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=PrusseLusken;52745295]The gun's mechanism is still semi automatic meaning the trigger needs to be released and pulled for every new shot. The stock used just makes it easy to quickly pull it by moving your finger forward and backward during the recoil.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=kaukassus;52745235]Pulling the trigger of a semi automatic rifle in rapid succession does not automatically classify the gun as an automatic, even if the rate of fire comes close to it's fully automatic counterpart.[/QUOTE] Yeah I know how the bumpstock works. All I'm asking is how such modding isn't more regulated, as it more or less completely replicates the fire-rate of an automatic rifle. As I'm assuming the reason full-auto rifles are so damn regulated is because of their fire-rate? Why aren't weapons regulated based on their fire-rate?

[QUOTE=booster;52745677]Yeah I know how the bumpstock works. All I'm asking is how such modding isn't more regulated, as it more or less completely replicates the fire-rate of an automatic rifle. As I'm assuming the reason full-auto rifles are so damn regulated is because of their fire-rate? Why aren't weapons regulated based on their fire-rate?[/QUOTE] Because competition shooters can achieve very fast fire rates, and therefore, would be illegal during their competitions no matter the gun.

[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;52745681]Because competition shooters can achieve very fast fire rates, and therefore, would be illegal during their competitions no matter the gun.[/QUOTE] Aye, but the bumpstock basically makes everyone into a highly skilled "competition shooter". The lethality of the rifle is considerably increased, making it very easy for people like Paddock to commit crimes like these. I still can't think of one reason NOT to ban or put more regulations on bumpstocks.

[QUOTE=booster;52745717]Aye, but the bumpstock basically makes everyone into a highly skilled "competition shooter". The lethality of the rifle is considerably increased, making it very easy for people like Paddock to commit crimes like these. I still can't think of one reason NOT to ban or put more regulations on bumpstocks.[/QUOTE] It also takes skill to use a bumpstock effectively and it isn't something a person can just grab and use with ease. I would also imagine accuracy would suffer with a bumpstock as the rifle and the sight is bouncing around forward and backward more

[QUOTE=Quark:;52745595]The entire conspiracy surrounding the 9/11 attacks typically pertains to the U.S. Government (a non-Muslim organization) being complicit in the attacks. My point was that whenever "muslim terrorists" can't be blamed effectively, a wild conspiracy is spawned.[/QUOTE] There are conspiracy theories about everything.

[QUOTE=booster;52745717]Aye, but the bumpstock basically makes everyone into a highly skilled "competition shooter". The lethality of the rifle is considerably increased, making it very easy for people like Paddock to commit crimes like these. I still can't think of one reason NOT to ban or put more regulations on bumpstocks.[/QUOTE] Neither me nor my friend are competition shooters, but we can rock our AR15s like paintball guns on mag dumps and make them fire like a full auto. Should my finger and arm have regulations or a ban?

Gun thread is in polidicks come on guys.

[QUOTE=OvB;52745782]Gun thread is in polidicks come on guys.[/QUOTE] I'm sorry. I lost track of which one this was from flipping through.

Are high capacity magazines legal in the US?

[QUOTE=Citrus705;52745906]Are high capacity magazines legal in the US?[/QUOTE] There is another [URL="https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1580860"]thread for discussion about gun control[/URL] apparently, but yes high-cap mags are legal (depending on state) as far as I know. All the stuff the shooter had was legal.

[QUOTE=booster;52745717]Aye, but the bumpstock basically makes everyone into a highly skilled "competition shooter". The lethality of the rifle is considerably increased, making it very easy for people like Paddock to commit crimes like these. I still can't think of one reason NOT to ban or put more regulations on bumpstocks.[/QUOTE] It doesn't do that at all. Using a bump fire stock throws accuracy out the window, as does full auto. This is one of the few instances where something like that would be effective, since now your target is a hundred yards wide, not just a single point. If anything we should be happy that he did dumps, as single aimed shots over the course of 10 minutes would have proved to be more lethal, since now the shots are all being aimed center mass of an indevidual rather that just sprayed indiscriminately into a crowd.

[QUOTE=UncleJimmema;52746084]It doesn't do that at all. Using a bump fire stock throws accuracy out the window, as does full auto. This is one of the few instances where something like that would be effective, since now your target is a hundred yards wide, not just a single point. If anything we should be happy that he did dumps, as single aimed shots over the course of 10 minutes would have proved to be more lethal, since now the shots are all being aimed center mass of an indevidual rather that just sprayed indiscriminately into a crowd.[/QUOTE] Not to mention tracking him down would be much, much harder if he was firing periodically.

[QUOTE=UncleJimmema;52746084]It doesn't do that at all. Using a bump fire stock throws accuracy out the window, as does full auto. This is one of the few instances where something like that would be effective, since now your target is a hundred yards wide, not just a single point. If anything we should be happy that he did dumps, as single aimed shots over the course of 10 minutes would have proved to be more lethal, since now the shots are all being aimed center mass of an indevidual rather that just sprayed indiscriminately into a crowd.[/QUOTE] I'm (mostly just morbidly) curious about how many rounds were fired vs how many deaths/injuries were from bullet wounds With the bump stock I wouldn't be surprised if a vast majority of the rounds flew wildly off target even firing into such a large area, and I tend to agree that sustained, accurate, semi-automatic fire would have proven much more lethal [editline]4th October 2017[/editline] Firing a gun accurately at that kind of range is difficult enough, now imagine that the gun you're trying to aim is rapidly moving back and forth itself while also heating up from the rate of fire further decreasing accuracy

[QUOTE=TrafficMan;52746994]Firing a gun accurately at that kind of range is difficult enough, now imagine that the gun you're trying to aim is rapidly moving back and forth itself while also heating up from the rate of fire further decreasing accuracy[/QUOTE] Full auto is more of a suppression thing. If you fill an area with bullets, it becomes dangerous to be there, but not necessarily instantly lethal. Burst fire lets you retain accuracy while putting more shots in an area, and it still conserves some degree of ammo.

[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;52745793]I'm sorry. I lost track of which one this was from flipping through.[/QUOTE] If you see something you disagree with and there aren't any dumb ratings on it, chances are it's Polidicks. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Offtopic" - Kiwi))[/highlight]

He was aiming at a densley packed crowd of 20,000 people with a 300+ foot elevation and unobstructed sightlines. Accuracy really doesn't matter. I don't think that he would have been able to kill or injure [I]more[/I] than the 600 people he already did if he were taking his time firing single shots, instead of the hundreds of indiscriminate rounds sprayed into the dense crowd.