Mass Shooting in Las Vegas - 58 Dead at Least 515 Injured, Suspect Killed - Sensationalist Headlines

Alright, so according to the police they still have no possible motive, not even from his girlfriend. [i]However[/i], thanks to help from Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, they have identified something interesting: [quote=Washington Post]All told, police have recovered 47 guns in the case, [B]most of them bought since October 2016[/B], according to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives. Lombardo said police had focused on why Paddock bought 33 rifles between October 2016 and last Thursday, when he checked in at the hotel, and were exploring whether something happened that compelled him to buy so many guns over that time period.[/quote] [url=https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2017/10/05/las-vegas-shooting-motive-remains-elusive-as-new-details-emerge-about-attack/]Source[/url] So what happened in October of last year? Or, at least, around that time? The authorities are probably already asking Danley, his girlfriend, this right now. Also, another terrifying tidbit from the same article: [quote=Washington Post]Lombardo said investigators found evidence that Paddock might have intended to escape the attack alive, although he declined to say what that evidence was.[/quote] I mentioned in an [url=https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1580729&p=52741728&viewfull=1#post52741728]earlier post[/url] that he had a car full of possible explosives, and, well, it's much more than that it seems... [quote=Washington Post]In Paddock’s car, investigators also found several cases containing the chemical tannerite, an explosive, along with an additional 1,600 rounds of ammunition. At Paddock’s homes, authorities found dozens of other guns, additional ammunition and more tannerite.[/quote] It was full of [b]actual fucking explosives and tons of more weapons and ammo[/b]. If the police didn't get to him as fast as they did, it's likely that many, many, many more lives would've been lost. The article also mentions that a similar vantage point in a hotel over Lollapalooza was reserved for someone named "Paddock" as well when that happened, but nobody ever showed up to the rooms. It really seems like between October of last year and now, he's been planning this very, very carefully. We should be thankful we avoided the worst possible situation. [editline]5th October 2017[/editline] Also, from the same article: [quote=Washington Post]Police also found a slip of paper in the room, which is visible in photos that have circulated online; while authorities have not said what was on the paper, Lombardo said it was not a suicide note.[/quote] I really wonder what that note was.

Presumably the music festival happened last october in the same venue, yeah? [editline]5th October 2017[/editline] nvm misread

[QUOTE=Grenadiac;52749659]WRT strobe lights, fire alarms have strobes and the detector in his room went off due to the smoke So yes there were strobes, no it was not the CIA[/QUOTE] This. Hotel smoke detectors in the US are required by law to have a bright red(?) strobe in them to alert deaf people. Makes them REALLY fuckin disorienting too apparently.

Tannerite isn't an unstable chemical explosive like people think of. It's a binary compound that has to be mixed, and then will only explode when hit by a high velocity bullet. It's not terribly powerful, but can still do some damage. A 2 liter bottle of the stuff inside a car can release enough force to blow out the glass and bend the pillars around the cabin glass.

[QUOTE=Chubbs;52749821]This. Hotel smoke detectors in the US are required by law to have a bright red(?) strobe in them to alert deaf people. Makes them REALLY fuckin disorienting too apparently.[/QUOTE] The strobes in my high school were white, but they might have been changed since.

They have been white in my schools and workplaces as well.

[QUOTE=Grenadiac;52749874]The strobes in my high school were white, but they might have been changed since.[/QUOTE] The Americans with Disabilities Act requires all fire alarm strobes to be "clear or nominal white".

[QUOTE=Rastadogg;52743834]Mental Health? The most widely ignored issue in this country. [editline]3rd October 2017[/editline] He may not have a history of mental issues, but sane people don't do this.[/QUOTE] Some people have issues they don't bring to light because mental health is such a taboo thing in this country. The minute you come forward with a problem, you'll have people claiming you're just "seeking attention" or that you're "fucking nuts and need to be locked up". [QUOTE=Ridge;52749854]Tannerite isn't an unstable chemical explosive like people think of. It's a binary compound that has to be mixed, and then will only explode when hit by a high velocity bullet. It's not terribly powerful, but can still do some damage. A 2 liter bottle of the stuff inside a car can release enough force to blow out the glass and bend the pillars around the cabin glass.[/QUOTE] Is it possible, then, that his intention was to use the tannerite to set off the nitrate explosives? Also, [url=https://i.imgur.com/wAq3TSM.png]this[/url] was pretty gross. This was posted before the bodies were even cold.

[QUOTE=ForgottenKane;52749782]Alright, so according to the police they still have no possible motive, not even from his girlfriend. [i]However[/i], thanks to help from Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, they have identified something interesting: [url=https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2017/10/05/las-vegas-shooting-motive-remains-elusive-as-new-details-emerge-about-attack/]Source[/url] So what happened in October of last year? Or, at least, around that time? The authorities are probably already asking Danley, his girlfriend, this right now. Also, another terrifying tidbit from the same article: I mentioned in an [url=https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1580729&p=52741728&viewfull=1#post52741728]earlier post[/url] that he had a car full of possible explosives, and, well, it's much more than that it seems... It was full of [b]actual fucking explosives and tons of more weapons and ammo[/b]. If the police didn't get to him as fast as they did, it's likely that many, many, many more lives would've been lost. The article also mentions that a similar vantage point in a hotel over Lollapalooza was reserved for someone named "Paddock" as well when that happened, but nobody ever showed up to the rooms. It really seems like between October of last year and now, he's been planning this very, very carefully. We should be thankful we avoided the worst possible situation. [editline]5th October 2017[/editline] Also, from the same article: I really wonder what that note was.[/QUOTE] If he intended to escape alive, he wouldn't get very far, since the only way is to shoot his way out of the hotel lobby/fire escape. The quick response of the SWAT luckily prevented. And I think he had doubts himself on his escape plan as well, if there was even one.

[QUOTE=Zero-Point;52751163]Also, [url=https://i.imgur.com/wAq3TSM.png]this[/url] was pretty gross. This was posted before the bodies were even cold.[/QUOTE] That's bizarre. I'd heard rumors that they showed up loaded down with gear and asked the cops where they should be posted, but that could be just a rumor.

Are there any new updates on the counts? Pretty sure the title is out of date. [editline]6th October 2017[/editline] Also info on the number/types of injuries would be interesting, although I don't expect that much detail to be publicly available right now.

I wonder if Paddock's motive could have anything to do with the whole Phillipines-gambling and casinos connection. Paddock used his Phillipines born girlfriend's MGM rewards card. Mandalay is owned by MGM and because of the amount he gambled he was given the room he used to do the shooting for free. He also had high status at the Wynn casino, his brother recounts that he seemed to have had dinner there many times and had memorized the actors in the show that accompanied it. There are recent bursts of news from Summer 2017-as recently as a month ago about some of these subjects, connected. In May 2017 there's a new story about MGM announcing it's not considering opening a resort in Manila (Manila already has more casinos than Macau and wants to capture a larger share of the international gambling market). Someone who knew his girlfriend and had met him in the Phillipines before said he was an intelligent man who applied algorithms to video poker, and was very generous when he visited, whatever that means. Also in May 2017, Reuters reports about Chinese cooperation with Duterte to crack down on illegal gambling. (Then CNBC feels the need to re-run the story on Sept 30, 1 day before the massacre). Article mentions transnational cyber gambling cheating, fugitives hiding in the Phillipines, also mentions Kazuo Okada opening a machine poker casino, mentioning worries that this might impact his proxy gambling business. Kazuo Okada is a Japanese ex business partner of Steve Wynn, owner of Wynn Casinos (like the one that Paddock was a member of the "Chairman's Club" at). They split because Okada believed in investing in gambling in the Philippines and started his own business to do it. Articles from June 2017 say Okada faced a boardroom coup and no longer is director or sits on the board of Okada Manila Casino. Also worth mentioning that articles are very confused, mentioning Hong Kong (Okada happens to live there), Tokyo and the Phillipines as all possible locations that Marilou Danley was at (on vacation) during the shooting or immediately after or even now. So does this mean anything or am I simply going nuts?

[url=http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-las-vegas-gunman-lollapalooza-20171005-story.html]The shooter has been linked to rented rooms in the Blackstone Hotel in Chicago overlooking Lollapalooza in Chicago while the festival was going on.[/url]

[QUOTE=Zephyrs;52751492]Are there any new updates on the counts? Pretty sure the title is out of date. [editline]6th October 2017[/editline] Also info on the number/types of injuries would be interesting, although I don't expect that much detail to be publicly available right now.[/QUOTE] Usually, as in, greater than 90% of the time, if you can get to emergency care within an hour of getting shot, you'll likely survive. Barring any infections or complications, this is hopefully as high as the death count will go. But yeah, the difference between gunshots and crush injuries in this would be intriguing to see.

[QUOTE=Steel & Iron;52752321][url=http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-las-vegas-gunman-lollapalooza-20171005-story.html]The shooter has been linked to rented rooms in the Blackstone Hotel in Chicago overlooking Lollapalooza in Chicago while the festival was going on.[/url][/QUOTE] And he also apparently scouted Fenway Park in Boston and some other places there too.

[QUOTE=Ridge;52752759]Usually, as in, greater than 90% of the time, if you can get to emergency care within an hour of getting shot, you'll likely survive.[/QUOTE] That sort of depends on the weapon type. Handguns? Yeah. Riffles? Not so much. I've posted it before, and I'm posting it again because it's an amazingly informative video. [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXwPtP-KDNk[/media]

[QUOTE=Zephyrs;52753190]That sort of depends on the weapon type. Handguns? Yeah. Riffles? Not so much. I've posted it before, and I'm posting it again because it's an amazingly informative video. [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXwPtP-KDNk[/media][/QUOTE] Depends more on the round. A round like most handgun rounds that flies slower, expands more, and stays in longer is more likely to tear shit up, and it's less likely you'll survive. However, depending on the shot, rifle rounds that fly faster and don't expand as much have a greater chance to go straight through and cause less carnage to internal organs. But this is all highly dependent on things like speed, shape, and material of the bullet itself.

Generally the rule of thumb is that if they have a heartbeat when they reach the hospital, then regardless of the gunshot wound, they have an excellent chance of survival.

[QUOTE=Ridge;52751472]That's bizarre. I'd heard rumors that they showed up loaded down with gear and asked the cops where they should be posted, but that could be just a rumor.[/QUOTE] If that's true, they're fucking morons and deserve to be publicly ridiculed.

[video=youtube;rXrQZ_1VGd0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXrQZ_1VGd0[/video] What an absolute cunt, using a mass shooting to act like he's a somebody for his views. Disgusting.

[QUOTE=Ignhelper;52757017][video=youtube;rXrQZ_1VGd0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXrQZ_1VGd0[/video] What an absolute cunt, using a mass shooting to act like he's a somebody for his views. Disgusting.[/QUOTE] How fucking embarrassing

I just learned my aunt's reps daughter was one shooting victims

[IMG]https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/22281575_724499084418354_8396423209948092691_n.jpg?oh=bccb268ab84a093894cb00bd383f8ebf&oe=5A3A9ACB[/IMG] I just had someone on my Facebook wall unironically share this

[QUOTE=Ignhelper;52757017][video=youtube;rXrQZ_1VGd0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXrQZ_1VGd0[/video] What an absolute cunt, using a mass shooting to act like he's a somebody for his views. Disgusting.[/QUOTE] "Hey Coyote Peterson here and were about to enter the lead zone!"

[QUOTE=noh_mercy;52761123]"Hey Coyote Peterson here and were about to enter the lead zone!"[/QUOTE] Coyote Peterson gets bitten by an AR15 and dies for real this time.

[QUOTE=BusterBluth;52760699][IMG]https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/22281575_724499084418354_8396423209948092691_n.jpg?oh=bccb268ab84a093894cb00bd383f8ebf&oe=5A3A9ACB[/IMG] I just had someone on my Facebook wall unironically share this[/QUOTE] written by Tom Clancy [editline]8th October 2017[/editline] though apparently the guy was right that most of the big hotels in Vegas don't have cameras in the hallway

[QUOTE=BusterBluth;52760699][IMG]https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/22281575_724499084418354_8396423209948092691_n.jpg?oh=bccb268ab84a093894cb00bd383f8ebf&oe=5A3A9ACB[/IMG] I just had someone on my Facebook wall unironically share this[/QUOTE] What would ISIS want with a dozen-or-so grab-bag ARs and pistols? And if they're organized enough to commit an act like this, why the hell can't they just use a member with a clean record to straw-buy weapons for them? If there really had been people other than the shooter in the room, there would be forensic evidence showing it, which the police almost certainly would have released. And even if ~the deep-state~ forbade them from releasing it, I guarantee you there'd be a manhunt underway, and good luck hiding one of those. That whole thing is retarded, and I'm dumber for reading it.

[QUOTE=Psychokitten;52761313] That whole thing is retarded, and I'm dumber for reading it.[/QUOTE] I mean the FBI is publically known for doing shit like this before. One of the [I]two[/I], arrests used as citations for the legitimate use of things like NSA's PRISM was an FBI entrapment scheme where they had an agent convince a cab driver to donate 8,500ish bucks to ISIS, as well as other doing like selling arms to mentally unstable people while encouraging them to do horrible things, and arresting them at the last moment. Or other government entities like ATF selling guns to mexican drug cartels, those guns later being picked up at sites of mexican civilian mass murders. And about less than a tenth of the guns sold to cartels were ever recovered in any capacity, the bulk of which was in one single recovery. So i mean, we know that the US government does stupid shit like that all the time, frankly it's not out of the question. and there is that mystery note the guy left which they refuse to elaborate on, and the LVPD chief did say that the state bureaucracy was slowing the investigation. So some stupid fucking entrapment scheme gone wrong is not out of the question, but there's no reason to assume that that is the case until some sort of proof comes to public light. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Derailing shitpost with no evidence to backup statement - :conspiratard:" - Reagy))[/highlight]

[QUOTE=Trilby Harlow;52761350]I mean the FBI is publically known for doing shit like this before. One of the [I]two[/I], arrests used as citations for the legitimate use of things like NSA's PRISM was an FBI entrapment scheme where they had an agent convince a cab driver to donate 8,500ish bucks to ISIS, as well as other doing like selling arms to mentally unstable people while encouraging them to do horrible things, and arresting them at the last moment. Or other government entities like ATF selling guns to mexican drug cartels, those guns later being picked up at sites of mexican civilian mass murders. And about less than a tenth of the guns sold to cartels were ever recovered in any capacity, the bulk of which was in one single recovery. So i mean, we know that the US government does stupid shit like that all the time, frankly it's not out of the question. and there is that mystery note the guy left which they refuse to elaborate on, and the LVPD chief did say that the state bureaucracy was slowing the investigation. So some stupid fucking entrapment scheme gone wrong is not out of the question, but there's no reason to assume that that is the case until some sort of proof comes to public light.[/QUOTE] There's zero evidence to back this "theory" up though. All this is is somebody from the more extreme end of the pro-gun crowd looking for something, anything, to prove their wishful thinking that no, it wasn't joe average using their favorite rifle to do something horrible, it was those gol'derned terrists at it again, and anti-gunners in the state/federal government covering it up in order to push their agenda for gun control. Never mind the fact that the Orlando and San Bernardino shooters' ties to radical Islam were out in the open more or less from day one, and that those facts being made public did little to soften the ensuing gun control debate.

[QUOTE=Trilby Harlow;52761350]I mean the FBI is publically known for doing shit like this before. One of the [I]two[/I], arrests used as citations for the legitimate use of things like NSA's PRISM was an FBI entrapment scheme where they had an agent convince a cab driver to donate 8,500ish bucks to ISIS, as well as other doing like selling arms to mentally unstable people while encouraging them to do horrible things, and arresting them at the last moment. Or other government entities like ATF selling guns to mexican drug cartels, those guns later being picked up at sites of mexican civilian mass murders. And about less than a tenth of the guns sold to cartels were ever recovered in any capacity, the bulk of which was in one single recovery. So i mean, we know that the US government does stupid shit like that all the time, frankly it's not out of the question. and there is that mystery note the guy left which they refuse to elaborate on, and the LVPD chief did say that the state bureaucracy was slowing the investigation. So some stupid fucking entrapment scheme gone wrong is not out of the question, but there's no reason to assume that that is the case until some sort of proof comes to public light.[/QUOTE] You need to stop with the conspiracy theory bullshit. It was already upsetting that you were pushing this idea that the shooter was Asian and a communist earlier on in the thread.