Ex-Arizona cop acquitted in fatal shooting of sobbing, unarmed man at hotel - Sensationalist Headlines

[QUOTE=MrRalgoman;52959867]Yeah, the cop should just put approach the allegedly armed and dangerous man, he should sling up his gun so he can get his cuffs out. Sounds like a great idea.[/QUOTE] Maybe don't use a fucking rifle then? Lol, it's not the poor civilians fault that this officer decided to use a two handed weapon to deal with soft targets.

[QUOTE=MrRalgoman;52959879]Make the exact mistake they were waiting for him to make? You mean do the exact thing they said they would shoot him for?[/QUOTE] yes I'm sure that if you had guns pointed at you, you're going to think totally rationally and clearly enough to perfectly do that long list of things Totally worry free and clear of mind. You wouldn't trip while your legs are crossed and crawling at all. Wouldn't even sneeze.

[QUOTE=MrRalgoman;52959852]4:26, he is clearly reaching back for something after repeatedly being told to not put his hands behind his back. [IMG]https://i.gyazo.com/7d24136db40a01b13b03a0bc8a21f507.png[/IMG] Are we just ignoring that part... Or..?[/QUOTE] what the fuck is wrong with you

[QUOTE=MrRalgoman;52959879]Make the exact mistake they were waiting for him to make? You mean do the exact thing they said they would shoot him for?[/QUOTE] he was obviously distressed and confused. once again, there was no reason to get it to that point. stop acting like the cop had only one course of action possible

[QUOTE=MrRalgoman;52959852]4:26, he is clearly reaching back for something after repeatedly being told to not put his hands behind his back. [IMG]https://i.gyazo.com/7d24136db40a01b13b03a0bc8a21f507.png[/IMG] Are we just ignoring that part... Or..?[/QUOTE] And now we will never know why he did that because the KID WHO WAS FREAKING OUT is DEAD. Thank you for your observation that a human might move his arms around sometimes, it usually doesn't get them murdered by a trigger happy incompetent cop.

[QUOTE=shad0w440;52959773]No id pull a gun on a cop because I don't want to fucking die because I couldn't recite the entire declaration of independence backwards while hopping one one leg with my arms in a dab pose while hopping over to the officer giving me these orders.[/QUOTE] People like you are the reason American cops are so jumpy.

[QUOTE=MrRalgoman;52959867]Yeah, the cop should just put approach the allegedly armed and dangerous man, he should sling up his gun so he can get his cuffs out. Sounds like a great idea.[/QUOTE] Amazing, we've managed to break the criminal justice system. Cops can't arrest you because if they get close you could hurt them. Eventually the entire police force will be stuck in eternal standoffs with people they can't approach.

Daily reminder that MrRalgoman is so clear of mind that if he had a gun pointed at guns pointed at him by armed men and was being screamed at for 5 minutes straight his mind would be completely clear and calm and he wouldn't even twitch wrong at all. Another reminder is that even though its their job its better for cops to kill a man than walk up and cuff and detain them. Because guys, its dangerous! They didn't sign up for that or anything. Do exactly what they say or get shot I say. You see, instead of walking over to someone and cuff them, the clear way to do it is to have them crawl over with their legs crossed. A rational thinker understands this.

[QUOTE=OvB;52959898]People like you are the reason American cops are so jumpy.[/QUOTE] And more importantly, American cops are the reason he's so jumpy.

[QUOTE=shad0w440;52959807]Sorry yeah I know its not a solution, but I've seen liveleak videos of cartel executions that were basically the same shit, getting victims to do some asinine shit in hopes they are let go while they start sobbing and begging for their life only to get wasted, the only thing missing is the executioner in this vid isnt laughing about it afterwards, at least not on the cam footage.[/QUOTE] I mean its great that you can somehow equate cartel members to police, but you're acting completely hysterical and proposing irrational solutions to a very rare problem.

[QUOTE=J!NX;52959908]Daily reminder that MrRalgoman is so clear of mind that if he had a gun pointed at guns pointed at him by armed men and was being screamed at for 5 minutes straight his mind would be completely clear and calm and he wouldn't even twitch wrong at all. Another reminder is that even though its their job its better for cops to kill a man than walk up and cuff and detain them. Because guys, its dangerous! They didn't sign up for that or anything. Do exactly what they say or get shot I say.[/QUOTE] Okay, sure. [QUOTE]The investigator noted he did not see anything that would have prevented officers from simply handcuffing Shaver as he was on the floor.[/QUOTE] They should have handcuffed him. However, saying that him reaching for his shorts is a twitch is bullshit.

[QUOTE=MrRalgoman;52959925]Okay, sure. They should have handcuffed him. However, saying that him reaching for his shorts is a twitch is bullshit.[/QUOTE] he was pulling up his pants probably out of habit because he didn't have a fucking gun on him. jesus dude.

This is ridiculous, the cop could have cuffed him at nearly any time instead of playing simon says.

[QUOTE=MrRalgoman;52959925]Okay, sure. They should have handcuffed him. However, saying that him reaching for his shorts is a twitch is bullshit.[/QUOTE] He was wearing lose fitting gym shorts, which are probably tough to crawl in because they tend not to stay on. The dood couldn't reason with the cops because they told him to stfu or get shot, that if he didn't comply he'd get shot, and that if he adjusted his pants again he'd get shot. They stuck him in a situation where he was going to die because he couldn't physically comply. There was more than once officer there. They were perfectly capable of safely approaching and cuffing him. Theres no excuse here.

And here I thought that this video was unmistakable evidence and could not be defended.

[QUOTE=MrRalgoman;52959852]4:26, he is clearly reaching back for something after repeatedly being told to not put his hands behind his back. [IMG]https://i.gyazo.com/7d24136db40a01b13b03a0bc8a21f507.png[/IMG] Are we just ignoring that part... Or..?[/QUOTE] Freeze the frames, slow the video, look for any bit of evidence and warp it to justify the shooting. If you approach this video holistically, its clear the officer executed an innocent, petrified man who was crying for his life. No accountability for the officers, infinite expectations for the victim. Police officers deserve respect because its a difficult job, but if you can execute citizens in cold blood and not be held accountable for it then we are doing a huge disservice to the officers who show some restraint and do their job like they are supposed to. Its time for reform.

[QUOTE=shad0w440;52959773]No id pull a gun on a cop because I don't want to fucking die because I couldn't recite the entire declaration of independence backwards while hopping one one leg with my arms in a dab pose while hopping over to the officer giving me these orders.[/QUOTE] you're going to fucking die if you pull out a gun on a cop you idjit

[QUOTE=MrRalgoman;52959925]Okay, sure. They should have handcuffed him. However, saying that him reaching for his shorts is a twitch is bullshit.[/QUOTE] When you crawl on the floor with your legs crossed your pants are going to very obviously ride, it was pretty much inevitable for him to grab his pants otherwise he'd lose them. It would have been far, far easier to have walked over to him than to have him crawl. Either way they would have frisked and checked him, it was so worthless to command of him. But no, lets make excuses please. I'm so glad the cops in my town aren't total retards.

[QUOTE=Cyke Lon bee;52959917]I mean its great that you can somehow equate cartel members to police, but you're acting completely hysterical and proposing irrational solutions to a very rare problem.[/QUOTE] And police are being hysterical and implementing irrational solutions to a very rare problem every single time they shoot someone that [i]maybe could have[/i] been pulling a weapon on them. When the literal [i]trained professionals[/i] who generally have backup in dangerous situations are so incredibly jumpy about anything that could possibly be construed as drawing a weapon, how do you expect fucking civilians to not be jumpy about someone actually drawing or pointing a gun at them? Especially when it is proven again and again that they will almost universally get away with shooting?

[QUOTE=MrRalgoman;52959879]Make the exact mistake they were waiting for him to make? You mean do the exact thing they said they would shoot him for? It's practically suicide by cop. Why the fuck would you do the exact thing you are being told you would be shot for.[/QUOTE] Every time i see a video of an arrest its usually "hands behind your head, get down on the ground" followed by them walking over and cuffing them, not "crawl over here or i shoot you".

The big problem is that they are trained insanely hard to deal with even the slightest gesture of a gun with lethal force, BEFORE its even visible. Shoot fast, ask questions never.

I see two separate issues here: 1) The seemingly extremely bad set of commands. 2) The shooting in reaction to reaching towards his waistband. It's possible that he acted poorly and out of policy with his commands, but was justified in the moment for the shooting. If that's the case, then he should most certainly be punished, and severely so, but it would be for acting in a way that led to a negligent death, not for outright murder.

Here's how the officer could've resolved the situation in twenty seconds. Since he clearly had the presence of mind to start acting like he was playing Jailbreak and giving increasingly irrational commands, he also clearly had the presence of mind to say "Down on the ground, hands behind your head". If he wanted to get really specific, he would've said "chest and head on the ground, back facing the ceiling and hands behind your head". There you go. An armchair dipshit on the other side of the continent just resolved the situation without bloodshed. At best this was a case of him going full retard, at worst he deliberately murdered him. Either way, he deserves a lot worse than losing his job as a cop.

[QUOTE=J!NX;52959959]The big problem is that they are trained insanely hard to deal with even the slightest gesture of a gun with lethal force, BEFORE its even visible. Shoot fast, ask questions never.[/QUOTE] SERIOUSLY police officers are conditioned early on to treat every stop as a potential life or death situation. while i don't hesitate to think that this training most prioritizes the officer's safety and no doubt saves their lives at time, we need to recognize as a society that shootings like these are the inevitable price we pay.

[QUOTE=MrRalgoman;52959879]Make the exact mistake they were waiting for him to make? You mean do the exact thing they said they would shoot him for? It's practically suicide by cop. Why the fuck would you do the exact thing you are being told you would be shot for.[/QUOTE] Because he was crying, sobbing, begging for his life? He was terrified, what do you expect him to do, be a completely conscious person and not adjust his pants that are falling off because that split second mistake might get him murdered? Do you ever make a mistake? Now imagine that you die because you were found to be in a super vulnerable blubbering state and accidentally PULLED YOUR PANTS UP. THE COP FUCKED UP. He should not have approached the situation like this, if he really didn't want to risk getting close to the perp, which makes no fucking sense, then he should've just called for backup and waited with the gun trained on them. Not tell them "I'm going to fucking kill you guys like nothing if you guys make a single mistake" from the getgo, it doesn't help. It isn't justice.

[QUOTE=sgman91;52959965]I see two separate issues here: 1) The seemingly extremely bad set of commands. 2) The shooting in reaction to reaching towards his waistband. It's possible that he acted poorly and out of policy with his commands, but was justified in the moment for the shooting. If that's the case, then he should most certainly be punished, and severely so, but it would be for acting in a way that led to a negligent death, not for outright murder.[/QUOTE] third option, change the law

This shit right here has left me disgusted for the past 2 hours

[QUOTE=elowin;52959953]And police are being hysterical and implementing irrational solutions to a very rare problem every single time they shoot someone that [i]maybe could have[/i] been pulling a weapon on them. When the literal [i]trained professionals[/i] who generally have backup in dangerous situations are so incredibly jumpy about anything that could possibly be construed as drawing a weapon, how do you expect fucking civilians to not be jumpy about someone actually drawing or pointing a gun at them? Especially when it is proven again and again that they would almost universally get away with shooting?[/QUOTE] You're judging an entire nation's police force off of this specific case. Most cops are not irrationally cautious like this one is. The vast majority handle it properly, which is why we hear about specific cases like this, instead of this being a normal day-to-day situation.

[QUOTE=Flameon;52959972]third option, change the law[/QUOTE] To what?

[QUOTE=Cyke Lon bee;52959976]You're judging an entire nation's police force off of this specific case. Most cops are not irrationally cautious like this one is. The vast majority handle it properly, which is why we hear about specific cases like this, instead of this being a normal day-to-day situation.[/QUOTE] It probably doesn't help keep the force clean of psycho's when there's the ever so occasional piece of news about cops only getting fired for gunning down unarmed civilians. The situation could have been handled easily with the officer saying these few lines: "POLICE! Hands in the air!" "On the ground, hand behind your head!" "Do not move! Please!" "Cover me while I cuff them up" Instead the murderer basically starts with "Do as I say or we'll fucking shoot you" and can't give proper straight forward instructions.