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This is the result of living in a country saturated with guns, cops making flinch judgements because everyone and anyone could be carrying, it's basically modern OK Corral 'who draws fastest survives' mentality.

[QUOTE=nox;52960025]This is the result of living in a country saturated with guns, cops making flinch judgements because everyone and anyone could be carrying, it's basically modern OK Corral 'who draws fastest survives' mentality.[/QUOTE] Except this isn't how anywherw near a large amount of police act, and there's no wild west mentality between the police and citizenry and you're basically fundamentally misinformed Where do you live exactly

[QUOTE=evilweazel;52960044]Except this isn't how anywherw near a large amount of police act, and there's no wild west mentality between the police and citizenry and you're basically fundamentally misinformed Where do you live exactly[/QUOTE] I live in Florida, a state with fairly loose gun laws. There is plenty of evidence that says otherwise, all PDs train their officers to take lethal action at the first sign of a threat, in a lot of scenarios there's simply no time for non-lethal measures and officers go straight for live rounds, in a country like the US the threat could be as minuscule as reaching over to the passenger seat of your car or reaching into your pocket or waistband. There's a huge amount of distrust in the police due to how often these negligent shootings happen and there's a history of rioting and violence resulting from judges letting cops get away with things like this.

[QUOTE=nox;52960025]This is the result of living in a country saturated with guns, cops making flinch judgements because everyone and anyone could be carrying, it's basically modern OK Corral 'who draws fastest survives' mentality.[/QUOTE] I disagree with guns themselves being the issue,, but how they are used

[QUOTE=shad0w440;52959695]This seemed like a fucked if you do fucked if you don't situation. Perhaps if cops weren't so trigger happy people wouldn't feel the need to pull a gun on them to defend themselves.[/QUOTE] Your chances of getting shot by a cop go from 0.00000000594% to 100% the moment you pull a dumb stunt like that. And, frankly, if you do it and they shoot you? I won't shed a tear about it. You stop being an innocent person the moment you pull a gun on them and there is nobody on this planet who would say the officers were not justified to shoot back when they have a firearm pointed at them. But hey, you do you. Just don't expect any sympathy when your own stupid choices get you killed. [QUOTE=shad0w440;52959720]I think we citizens need to look out for each other, if you see a cop that's about to waste someone who's already subdued you step in and try to deescalate. Honestly the laws should change to reflect the current climate, citizens should legally be allowed to defend themselves and others from trigger happy police. If police are going to act as executioners then they should loose their legal privileges of protection against retaliation.[/QUOTE] Let's see, if you're [I]lucky[/I], intervening will net you: * Obstruction of Justice * Interfering with Law Enforcement * Aiding and Abetting a criminal ...Or you could end up the one being shot. You really don't have a clue how to act around cops, do you? Like, I don't care what country you happen to be in, the asinine responses you seem to think are good ones would get you reamed.

[QUOTE=nox;52960025]This is the result of living in a country saturated with guns, cops making flinch judgements because everyone and anyone could be carrying, it's basically modern OK Corral 'who draws fastest survives' mentality.[/QUOTE] No, this is the result of a cop being irrational and poorly trained. Its also the result of a nation thats been disdainful towards its entire police force because of isolated incidents. [editline]8th December 2017[/editline] But sure, lets make this about guns. [editline]8th December 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=nox;52960058]I live in Florida, a state with fairly loose gun laws. There is plenty of evidence that says otherwise, all PDs train their officers to take lethal action at the first sign of a threat, in a lot of scenarios there's simply no time for non-lethal measures and officers go straight for live rounds, in a country like the US the threat could be as minuscule as reaching over to the passenger seat of your car or reaching into your pocket or waistband. There's a huge amount of distrust in the police due to how often these negligent shootings happen and there's a history of rioting and violence resulting from judges letting cops get away with things like this.[/QUOTE] That distrust comes from over exposure in the media and accidental/purposeful removal of important facts during media reporting. A lot of cases that people riot over tend to be lawful shootings, and the riot usually starts before the trial evem starts, or is out. The riots in Ferguson happened before the case even went to trial. When it was all said and done, the cop was completely justified in the shooting. The distrust people have for authority in this country is largely unfounded. The amount of incidents, like this one, where a cop gets away with murder doesn't happen very often. Theres over 1 million cops in the US, there are going to be a few ass holes in there but the majority are going to be good people.

[QUOTE=Cyke Lon bee;52960097]No, this is the result of a cop being irrational and poorly trained. Its also the result of a nation thats been disdainful towards its entire police force because of isolated incidents. [editline]8th December 2017[/editline] But sure, lets make this about guns. [editline]8th December 2017[/editline] That distrust comes from over exposure in the media and accidental/purposeful removal of important facts during media reporting. A lot of cases that people riot over tend to be lawful shootings, and the riot usually starts before the trial evem starts, or is out. The riots in Ferguson happened before the case even went to trial. When it was all said and done, the cop was completely justified in the shooting. The distrust people have for authority in this country is largely unfounded. The amount of incidents, like this one, where a cop gets away with murder doesn't happen very often. Theres over 1 million cops in the US, there are going to be a few ass holes in there but the majority are going to be good people.[/QUOTE] It really isn’t as isolated as you say. This has happened over and over again, and the thing that upsets people the most about it is that these “isolated incidents” are met with essentially [b]zero repercussions.[/b] The repeated failure of the US justice system to lock up psychotic murderers is one that founds distrust in American police officers.

[QUOTE=Leo Leonardo;52960151]It really isn’t as isolated as you say. This has happened over and over again, and the thing that upsets people the most about it is that these “isolated incidents” are met with essentially [b]zero repercussions.[/b] The repeated failure of the US justice system to lock up psychotic murderers is one that founds distrust in American police officers.[/QUOTE] By "over and over again" you mean "statistical non-issue". A couple incidents a year for a force of a million-plus is pretty damned good. Unless you have some numbers that show that 25% of the US police force is guilty of murder but walked away, its not as rampant as you think. With that said, it is an issue that the few that do commit these crimes get to walk free from them.

I'm so glad I live in a country that doesn't have a police force with a large amount of degenerate murderers who get away with murder in it.

[QUOTE=MrRalgoman;52959879]Make the exact mistake they were waiting for him to make? You mean do the exact thing they said they would shoot him for? It's practically suicide by cop. Why the fuck would you do the exact thing you are being told you would be shot for.[/QUOTE] That's some fucked up shit my man [I]"Make the mistake they were waiting for him to make"[/I]. This sentence hits the spot, and I don't think you even realize it That's exactly what this psycho cop's mentality was. Go in, and wait for a mistake. Not [B]try to resolve the fucking situation[/B], no, that's insane, who would expect that from the god damn police? He went in for a mistake. He wanted a mistake. He abused his authority and his power over this man, he humiliated and threatened him and pressured him with the power of life & death not because he wanted a peaceful, just resolution, but because he wanted a mistake. He's a bloodthirsty sociopath, and it seems you are too

[QUOTE=Araknid;52960175]I'm so glad I live in a country that doesn't have a police force with a large amount of degenerate murderers who get away with murder in it.[/QUOTE] I am too, man.

[QUOTE=LZTYBRN;52959841]The commands they were giving him were so jumbled by the end of it too, and the move that ended his life didnt even seem intentional. It looked like a muscle memory movement for securing his shorts. If it was me I probably would have gotten shot too because im absolutely terrible under pressure [/QUOTE] That's the worst part about it for me. Dude didn't even intend to disobey. He died because of a reflex to pull up his shorts. Fuck, man. [editline]8th December 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=MrRalgoman;52959925]They should have handcuffed him. However, saying that him reaching for his shorts is a twitch is bullshit.[/QUOTE] Are you completely incapable of logical thinking? First of all we make reflex movements all the damn time, and slipping up while you're scared and confused is completely unsurprising. Second of all, he didn't have a gun on him, so how is it bullshit that the twitch wasn't accidental? What non-existent gun was he purposefully reaching for?

what a fucking psychopath 3 minutes in he just straight up acting like a bank robber

[QUOTE=elowin;52959953]And police are being hysterical and implementing irrational solutions to a very rare problem every single time they shoot someone that [i]maybe could have[/i] been pulling a weapon on them. When the literal [i]trained professionals[/i] who generally have backup in dangerous situations are so incredibly jumpy about anything that could possibly be construed as drawing a weapon, how do you expect fucking civilians to not be jumpy about someone actually drawing or pointing a gun at them? Especially when it is proven again and again that they will almost universally get away with shooting?[/QUOTE] That's not the problem with that line of thinking. The problem is there is literally [B]no[/B] outcome where pulling a gun on a cop ends well for you. It's shitty to say but you're honestly probably better off getting shot. At least then you'll be remembered as an innocent person and not a cop killer - your proposed alternative is life in prison if you're lucky, or much more likely, getting turned into Swiss cheese and being remembered as some idiot who got killed because he pulled a gun on a cop. And that's even assuming you're actually going to get unjustly shot by the officer, which statistically is very unlikely. [editline]8th December 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=sgman91;52959965]I see two separate issues here: 1) The seemingly extremely bad set of commands. 2) The shooting in reaction to reaching towards his waistband. It's possible that he acted poorly and out of policy with his commands, but was justified in the moment for the shooting. If that's the case, then he should most certainly be punished, and severely so, but it would be for acting in a way that led to a negligent death, not for outright murder.[/QUOTE] Problem one was the direct cause for problem two, though. Problem two would've never happened if he just followed standard procedure for an arrest. That cop should've [I]at least[/I] gotten a manslaughter charge.

[QUOTE=Cyke Lon bee;52959939]The dood couldn't reason with the cops because they told him to stfu or get shot[/QUOTE] Wait what? Aren't cops only allowed to shoot people when they appear to pose a legitimate threat? How the fuck would him talking legally allow them to shoot him?

[QUOTE=_Axel;52960246]Wait what? Aren't cops only allowed to shoot people when they appear to pose a legitimate threat? How the fuck would him talking legally allow them to shoot him?[/QUOTE] Watch the video? The officer almost verbatim says that if the guy doesn't comply exactly with his every demand he will perceive that as a threat and shoot him. Really, they just have to prove they perceived something as a threat, even if they didn't explicit state anything like that.

[QUOTE=Dr. Evilcop;52960256]Watch the video? The officer almost verbatim says that if the guy doesn't comply exactly with his every demand he will perceive that as a threat and shoot him. Really, they just have to prove they perceived something as a threat, even if they didn't explicit state anything like that.[/QUOTE] Have you read the post I'm replying to? "STFU or get shot" means they ordered the guy to stop talking or get shot. They can't possibly prove in court that someone talking is a threat. Unless not complying to orders is in and of itself a legal reason for a police officer to shoot someone in the US? If so that's retarded.

[QUOTE=_Axel;52960267]Have you read the post I'm replying to? "STFU or get shot" means they ordered the guy to stop talking or get shot. They can't possibly prove in court that someone talking is a threat. Unless not complying to orders is in and of itself a legal reason for a police officer to shoot someone in the US? If so that's retarded.[/QUOTE] Again, watch the video. You're taking the wording of that post too literally. If you bothered to watch the video, there would be no confusion. They did not order him to shut up or get shot. He ordered him to shut up, then ordered him not to reach for his waistband or put his arms down or he would be shot because they would see it as a threat. To answer your question no, obviously that is not legal justification for an officer to shoot someone in the US. It's so obviously not that I'm shocked you even got that idea just from reading that post.

[QUOTE=Dr. Evilcop;52960273]Again, watch the video. You're taking the wording of that post too literally. If you bothered to watch the video, there would be no confusion.[/QUOTE] That's fair but I'm not going to watch a video of a literal execution that several posters have already described as horrific.

If you just listen without the video it sounds like a guy taking a hostage. theres no defending this.

The way the officer in the vid set it up, you can tell he knew what to say to give himself plausible deniability on the body cam footage. He barely hesitates even when the dude starts crying, that's straight up sociopathic

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What the cop said makes it clear he'd decided before he'd even shown up on the scene that he was going to shoot somebody that night. Obedience meant nothing -- he was going to shoot somebody.

[QUOTE=Cyke Lon bee;52960097] But sure, lets make this about guns. [/QUOTE] With the amount of gun violence in the U.S and the amount of police shooting that involve a suspect having a gun its kind of silly to suggest the availability of guns doesn't play into an officers mentality when confronting a suspect.

Holy shit, I have never seen a more inept, incompetent cop. That's completely ignoring what kind of insecure tough-guy mentality you have to have to put an inscription like that on your firearm. How can you possibly go from "don't you dare move your hands" to "crawl towards me having to move your hands to where I assume there's a gun, constantly" when you could've just cuffed the dude then and there, using your legs like a functional human being to walk over. Cop should be in jail. Judge should be in jail for seeing this evidence and going "yep dude's legit, clearly a stable individual who should be around on our streets likely still owning a firearm." I wouldn't feel safe living anywhere near that cop.

[QUOTE=Doom14;52960337]Holy shit, I have never seen a more inept, incompetent cop. That's completely ignoring what kind of insecure tough-guy mentality you have to have to put an inscription like that on your firearm. How can you possibly go from "don't you dare move your hands" to "crawl towards me having to move your hands to where I assume there's a gun, constantly" when you could've just cuffed the dude then and there, using your legs like a functional human being to walk over. Cop should be in jail. Judge should be in jail for seeing this evidence and going "yep dude's legit, clearly a stable individual who should be around on our streets likely still owning a firearm." I wouldn't feel safe living anywhere near that cop.[/QUOTE] This is what disgusts me the most. It's like he wanted the opportunity to take a "good shot" against a completely helpless man. He had a partner there, who was equipped with just as much firepower, and refused to take control of the situation. Where the FUCK is it written to give out a command like that? "[B][I]CRAWL[/I] TOWARDS ME[/B]" ???? WHAT? That shit alone is snuff-film-tier. Yet he gets to walk away free and with continued access to any firearm in the future.

Full video of incident. [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mjr0Ts6yORE&feature=youtu.be[/URL] NOT embedding for obvious reasons. At 17:25 you can see room 502 on the right. The cops were using the keycard on the wrong door. Shocked they didn't shoot the keycards for obviously resisting. [IMG]https://i.imgur.com/A0VWZ1u.jpg[/IMG] Pic of cop's gun. No, the [B]"YOU'RE FUCKED" [/B]was not edited in. It was actually on the dust cover. I also would like to mention the guy barking orders was NOT the guy who shot him. The guy with the body-cam and rifle is NOT the guy shouting orders, he's the guy with the really quiet voice. The guy barking orders didn't shoot him. Just want to clarify that for everyone.

the guy makes for a terrible cop but an excellent deathsquad commando

There needs to be a larger movement towards treating officers under the same laws that everyone else has to follow. It needs to happen.

If you live in a country where the police aren't allowed to hunt you for sport, dont watch this. I just did and i feel sick.