Ex-Arizona cop acquitted in fatal shooting of sobbing, unarmed man at hotel - Sensationalist Headlines

Jesus fucking dick, has anyone stopped to consider that part of the reason American cops get a reputation for being violent, power tripping, psychopaths with a licence to legally kill civilians; Is that every time a cop like that comes along there will always be people insisting that cop performed his job perfectly well, was completely justified in murdering an unarmed man because he ~might have been armed!?~ and ~tragic mistakes~ like this are to be expected?. Shit like this shouldn't be the norm, Cops shouldn't be completely justified no matter what they do while their victims are harshly criticised for any and all perceived ~mistakes~, but according to you lot this fucking travesty is just the unfortunate result the police force working as intended? One of the expected outcomes of cops ~making split second decisions!!~ If anyone is saying all cops are like this, it's you guys lol. [editline]10th December 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Zombinie;52963573]Fuck. It's been 12 hours since I've watched the video and it still hasn't gotten out of my head. It's 4 AM and I can't fall asleep, maybe in part because of this video. I've been on the internet a long time. I have gone out of my way to witness decapitations from South America and the Middle East, people getting shot and blown to bits in wars. I have seen people burn to death, get crushed, and disemboweled. For those videos I don't think I ever batted an eye. I guess you could say that exposure to constant death and seeing the worst humanity has to offer each-other has desensitized me. But this video fucking disgusted me. Disgusted me. To my core. There was something exceptionally fucked up about this entire situation and the way it played out. For example when I see footage of ISIS decapitating and executing harmless prisoners, as fucked up as it is I can bear with it because in part I understand it. To the ISIS executioners, they have a purpose, a reason for killing. It is a fucked up human to human interaction, but still a human to human interaction nonetheless. But in this video there was none of that. There was no humanity. It was a cold-blooded, calculated, predatory, psychopathic, opportunistic, barbaric, sadistic, merciless, and unforgiving murder. Just plain murder in the sickest and worst sense of the word. Murder for the sake or murder. The entire encounter was like something out of SAW, with the officer barking orders seemingly determined to create a situation where they would be allowed to shoot another person for no damned good reason at all. From the bottom of my heart, fuck the person giving the orders with a giant cactus, and fuck the trigger-puller for not stepping in and realizing that things were getting out of hand. It makes me sick that those psychopaths are just getting away with it. No one should have to die like this.[/QUOTE] I think the reason this video has shaken me so thoroughly- where the kind of videos you are describing didn't is because it's a police officer. When ISIS murders people- it's not a surprising event, they are terrorists, terrorists are the evil boogeymen that live somewhere else and exist to do bad things to people- and if they ever got caught on our terms they would face justice for their crimes. But cops are supposed to protect you, you see them every day and you are supposed to feel safer for it, when shit goes wrong and you feel threatened, you call for them and expect them to protect you. The idea that some of those same people could respond to those calls with the intention of finding an excuse to murder someone, however they can, even if the victim is sobbing and begging on the floor- and then face absolutely no repercussions for it? It's somehow [i]more wrong[/i] you know?

This makes me so unbelievably angry I can't even fathom it. This contemptible, power-tripping scumbag murdered a man because of clearly unreasonable instructions not being followed. Idk dude, can you crawl with your feet locked without using your hands? This dude set this man up to fucking die. We have video footage of it, and the worst he gets is losing his JOB??? This is a cartel level execution. This man deserves the worst sentence available, but he walks. A man is dead for no real reason and he walks. The entire justice system needs cleaning up. From cops to judges to administration. This is beyond unacceptable. At no point should you ever be afraid that a cop could fucking kill you for failing to do a goddamn macarena on the floor.

[QUOTE=fulgrim;52964138] [editline]10th December 2017[/editline] I think the reason this video has shaken me so thoroughly- where the kind of videos you are describing didn't is because it's a police officer. When ISIS murders people- it's not a surprising event, they are terrorists, terrorists are the evil boogeymen that live somewhere else and exist to do bad things to people- and if they ever got caught on our terms they would face justice for their crimes. But cops are supposed to protect you, you see them every day and you are supposed to feel safer for it, when shit goes wrong and you feel threatened, you call for them and expect them to protect you. The idea that some of those same people could respond to those calls with the intention of finding an excuse to murder someone, however they can, even if the victim is sobbing and begging on the floor- and then face absolutely no repercussions for it? It's somehow [i]more wrong[/i] you know?[/QUOTE] Yeah usually I can see things from the cops point of view and find myself agreeing with their actions, I've stood with them very often on some questionable cases. But there is simply no defending what happened in this video.

[QUOTE=The Genie;52961968]It's a well known fact that one of the very first SWAT training exercises is to play game of Simon Says, and those that fail are shot.[/QUOTE] A bit like Twister, too. "Alright, right hand yellow, and DON'T USE YOUR HANDS, YOU BETTER FALL ON YOUR FACE"

I just watched the video and its fucking sick like.... WHat the actual fuck????

[QUOTE=$$>MUFFIN<$$;52960559].And the "You're Fucked" thing is completely irrelevant. Lots of service weapons in police forces have things written on them. Whether it's biblical lines or quips about killing bad guys, it doesn't make the user a psychopath and it doesn't mean jack shit.[/QUOTE] I believe the American police's motto is "[U]To protect and serve.[/U]" Not "[B]You're Fucked[/B]"

I know this is page 5 where everyone's in deep debate mode, but I just have to get it off my chest: That video upset the shit out of me. My blood is boiling but at the same time it's also making me extremely afraid to live in this country. I know that 99% of cops aren't like this, but just the very fact that it could happen to anyone who just so happens to cross paths with the wrong cop makes me so afraid. It's almost like propaganda of some kind, training me to be excessively tense and defensive when meeting cops, which just serves to aggravate any potential situation. And then to find out that this actually happened nearly a year ago and we're only now seeing this because the cop is getting off scot-free? Was the jury shown this video or what?? I am absolutely enraged, and all the more frustrated that there's nothing I can do about this except be afraid of it happening to me or someone I love. [editline]asdf[/editline] Looking back over the posts, I guess I'm far from the only one.

[QUOTE=Shugo;52965463]I know this is page 5 where everyone's in deep debate mode, but I just have to get it off my chest: That video upset the shit out of me. My blood is boiling but at the same time it's also making me extremely afraid to live in this country. I know that 99% of cops aren't like this, but just the very fact that it could happen to anyone who just so happens to cross paths with the wrong cop makes me so afraid. It's almost like propaganda of some kind, training me to be excessively tense and defensive when meeting cops, which just serves to aggravate any potential situation. And then to find out that this actually happened nearly a year ago and we're only now seeing this because the cop is getting off scot-free? Was the jury shown this video or what?? I am absolutely enraged, and all the more frustrated that there's nothing I can do about this except be afraid of it happening to me or someone I love. [editline]asdf[/editline] Looking back over the posts, I guess I'm far from the only one.[/QUOTE] Don't wave a rifle (real or fake) out of a hotel window and you're on a fast-track to not getting shot. It's the secret police don't want you to know!

[QUOTE=Revenge282;52965481]Don't wave a rifle (real or fake) out of a hotel window and you're on a fast-track to not getting shot. It's the secret police don't want you to know![/QUOTE] Did you not read the last 5 pages or...?

[QUOTE=Revenge282;52965481]Don't wave a rifle (real or fake) out of a hotel window and you're on a fast-track to not getting shot. It's the secret police don't want you to know![/QUOTE] Better not fuck up crawling on your knees while bawling your eyes out, because if you do you'll get shot like a god damn dog. I've had a few days to sit and reflect on this. It's kept me up at night and made me sick to my stomach. This shit right here makes me ashamed of being an American.

[QUOTE=Michael haxz;52965513]Better not fuck up crawling on your knees while bawling your eyes out, because if you do you'll get shot like a god damn dog. I've had a few days to sit and reflect on this. It's kept me up at night and made me sick to my stomach. This shit right here makes me ashamed of being an American.[/QUOTE] No doubt the officer is completely in the wrong with this, and mishandled the situation grievously. But at the same time, don't wave a gun out the window and expect the cops not to be ready to shoot when they arrive on scene? Any time an officer responds to a call where firearms are known, it's going to be chaotic. I'm sure they would rather go home to their family than to a hospital or worse. [editline]10th December 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=_Maverick_;52965511]Did you not read the last 5 pages or...?[/QUOTE] Yeah, I've been reading just about every post since #1. Not sure how that invalidates the idea of not waving a gun out the window.

Fuck That video was just downright 100% absolutely [I]enraging[/I] The fact that neither officer got in any legal trouble at all makes me want to punch a hole in the nearest wall. What kind of spineless subhuman slime jurors would see that and have the power in their hands to punish that power tripping murderer, and decide not to? Id like to think that any halfway reasonable human wouldnt be able to live with themselves after letting that poorly trained trigger happy judge dredd wannabe walk free. I dont think i could

So how do you crawl on your knees with crossed legs without losing balance in a situation that calls for haste?

[QUOTE=Revenge282;52965481]Don't wave a rifle (real or fake) out of a hotel window and you're on a fast-track to not getting shot. It's the secret police don't want you to know![/QUOTE] There is nothing inherently wrong with waving a rifle around in your own room. People saw it through his window, and overreacted by calling the cops who overreacted by shooting him.

[QUOTE=Silikone;52965601]So how do you crawl on your knees with crossed legs without losing balance in a situation that calls for haste?[/QUOTE] Pretty sure crawling with your legs crossed was never an order. Their legs were to be cross only until they were told to approach the police one at a time, to make sure they didn't make any movements. The girl in the video handled her commands just fine, despite how outlandish some of the commands were. The guy on the other hand, reached behind his back on two different occasions, receiving a warning for the first time. Again, grievously mishandled, but the fact the guy went for the back/waist on two separate occasions is what caused this ordeal. This wasn't caused by some failed game of twisted Simon Says.

There wasn't an explicit order to crawl on his knees either, but it was expected of him anyway.

[QUOTE=Zombinie;52965613]There is nothing inherently wrong with waving a rifle around in your own room. People saw it through his window, and overreacted by calling the cops who overreacted by shooting him.[/QUOTE] [quote]The Arizona shooting, by Philip "Mitch" Brailsford, then an officer with the Mesa Police Department, occurred after officers responded to a call about a [B]man allegedly pointing a rifle out of a fifth-floor window[/B] at a La Quinta Inn. Inside the room, Shaver, 26, had been doing rum shots with a woman he had met earlier that day and showing off a pellet gun he used in his job in pest control.[/quote] I don't know about how you handle your weapons, but when I handle mine and there's a possibility someone outside my apartment will see it, I close the blind or I take care not to make a scene. That is not what happened here. Do you not expect people to overreact to this kind of thing given the recent news around guns lately?

[QUOTE=Revenge282;52965622]I don't know about how you handle your weapons, but when I handle mine and there's a possibility someone outside my apartment will see it, I close the blind or I take care not to make a scene. That is not what happened here. Do you not expect people to overreact to this kind of thing given the recent news around guns lately?[/QUOTE] Never before have so many Wickedplayer level posts been made on one thread. This event even happened before the Vegas ordeal. You own weapons, clearly you're pro Second Amendment, yet a man should not be able to privately handle a (PELLET)gun in his own apartment without dealing with a life or death confrontation with police? I just can't believe you're blaming his death on him wanting to show some friends his pellet gun. Nothing this man did was illegal, he was BARELY irresponsible for leaving his blinds open, and that call should not even lead to guns being drawn on him as he complies with every order given to him to the best of his buzzed ability.

[QUOTE=Revenge282;52965481]Don't wave a rifle (real or fake) out of a hotel window and you're on a fast-track to not getting shot. It's the secret police don't want you to know![/QUOTE] He didn't wave it out of a window, as Laquintas don't have windows you can open. Laquinta does not forbid you to have firearms in their rooms. It is not illegal to own a rifle in Arizona (Arizona actually has the most lax gunlaws IIRC). This dood was breaking 0 laws no matter which way you look at it. Even then, he had a PELLET GUN, not an actual rifle. When I lived in an apartment in Florida, I had to haul my guns up and down 3 flights of out-door stairs to go to my car when I went to the gun range. I was doing just this one day, hauling my AKM to my car with an ammo can, got it loaded up and ready to go. I got a call from a coworker I was going to shoot with so I sat in the parking lot of my apartment complex for a few minutes talking to him since I dont like to use my phone while driving. I heard a knock on my window and saw I was flanked by a pair of cops with my car blocked in by theirs. I spoke with them and they informed me they got a call saying that a hysterical woman called in saying there was a man waving an ~assault weapon~ around outside the complex wearing what I was wearing and got into a car that looked like mine. I got out, showed them my rifle and was on my way. Point is, I didn't have 2 AR15s pointed at me, wasn't forced to play simon says, didn't have to crawl out of my car, and wasn't threatened with death. The 2 cops responding to a similar call didn't massively overreact and kill me because I made a bad gesture. I had the cops called on me there god knows how many times when I lived there and never had a bad experience with the cops because of it. The 2 guys in the video completely overreacted, were completely irrational, and were far too cautious to be practical. They did everything wrong.

Just firing the guy isn't enough. The laws in every state should be clear enough to allow jurors to convict these people. It's destroying faith in the police and it is actually destroying faith in [I]America[/I] domestically and internationally. States that don't change their laws to let [I]murderers[/I] be convicted properly by a jury, require people willing to enact vigilant justice on said [I]murderers[/I].

[QUOTE=Hilton;52965689]Never before have so many Wickedplayer level posts been made on one thread. This event even happened before the Vegas ordeal. You own weapons, clearly you're pro Second Amendment, yet a man should not be able to privately handle a (PELLET)gun in his own apartment without dealing with a life or death confrontation with police? I just can't believe you're blaming his death on him wanting to show some friends his pellet gun. Nothing this man did was illegal, he was BARELY irresponsible for leaving his blinds open, and that call should not even lead to guns being drawn on him as he complies with every order given to him to the best of his buzzed ability.[/QUOTE] I'm aware of when this happened. Vegas isn't the only gun-related incident to happen here, but I'm not going to bother listing off them for you, as I am sure you are aware. He can handle his weapons however he wants in private, but if he's letting it be seen in clear view from a hotel window, then he should have some kind of expectation that someone is going to be unhappy with that and probably call the police. I don't think it's unreasonable for someone to do, however over-the-top it may be in reality. Not to mention, there was a mix of alcohol, which doesn't help his defense. I believe the cop asked both suspects if they had anything to drink, and he said he did not (I believe the girl did as well). The article in OP reports that they did. [QUOTE=Cyke Lon bee;52965707]He didn't wave it out of a window, as Laquintas don't have windows you can open. Laquinta does not forbid you to have firearms in their rooms. It is not illegal to own a rifle in Arizona (Arizona actually has the most lax gunlaws IIRC). This dood was breaking 0 laws no matter which way you look at it. Even then, he had a PELLET GUN, not an actual rifle. When I lived in an apartment in Florida, I had to haul my guns up and down 3 flights of out-door stairs to go to my car when I went to the gun range. I was doing just this one day, hauling my AKM to my car with an ammo can, got it loaded up and ready to go. I got a call from a coworker I was going to shoot with so I sat in the parking lot of my apartment complex for a few minutes talking to him since I dont like to use my phone while driving. I heard a knock on my window and saw I was flanked by a pair of cops with my car blocked in by theirs. I spoke with them and they informed me they got a call saying that a hysterical woman called in saying there was a man waving an ~assault weapon~ around outside the complex wearing what I was wearing and got into a car that looked like mine. I got out, showed them my rifle and was on my way. Point is, I didn't have 2 AR15s pointed at me, wasn't forced to play simon says, didn't have to crawl out of my car, and wasn't threatened with death. The 2 cops responding to a similar call didn't massively overreact and kill me because I made a bad gesture. I had the cops called on me there god knows how many times when I lived there and never had a bad experience with the cops because of it. The 2 guys in the video completely overreacted, were completely irrational, and were far too cautious to be practical. They did everything wrong.[/QUOTE] I am just going from what the OP says. I don't imagine a LaQuinta having openable windows, but I know on some older hotels that might not be up-to-par do have sliding windows. If the 911 call said it was being shown outside the window, I don't see how going with that information is anyone's fault. As for what laws he broke, I don't think he broke any either, but I am in Florida and I'm not super familiar with Arizona law. I wouldn't imagine that he did, and the whole thing was just some over-concerned witness calling it in to police. There's no way they would know what kind of weapon it was until they got into the room, and they weren't going into the room until they cleared it. So up to this point, I would imagine they are assuming it's an actual firearm. Your instance with the cops is how this should have been handled. I've had a couple of instances in similar interactions with State Troopers and the local sheriffs where I was either carrying when I was stopped, or I had the weapons in my vehicle when I got pulled over. I'm not defending these guys in any capacity aside from the fact that they reacted to him reaching behind his back once with a warning, and twice with shots. That's it. Everything about their game of Simon Say's was awful, and I don't know if there is some kind of misconduct/negligence that could be used against them lawfully for that, but if there is, it obviously should. I just don't think that manslaughter or murder is a justified charge here because from what I can see, the shooting wasn't a direct result of the guy failing the crawling/crossing legs commands, it was because of the reaching to his back/waist.

I can't see how anyone can defend this. Why couldn't they just force him to stay still and then cuff him? Do you get shot because you fuck up simon says?

Guess murder is legal in the home of the free, as long as you're wearing a badge.

Disgusting, glad I don't live in the states. Cops do this all the fucking time and they don't get punished. It's barbaric.

[QUOTE=Revenge282;52965614]Pretty sure crawling with your legs crossed was never an order. Their legs were to be cross only until they were told to approach the police one at a time, to make sure they didn't make any movements.[/QUOTE] So, here you're demonstrating that we can sit here, several people with video of the incident that we can re-watch as many times as necessary, and actually [I]debate what the commands meant[/I]. And yet you expect a drunk man, under duress, at gunpoint, to get it all right the first time. Yes, he got killed because he reached back, but he wouldn't have reached back if he had only gotten one, consistent command eg. put your hands behind your head and interlace your fingers. Notice how he was perfectly capable of following that instruction [I]until[/I] they told him to move his hands out in front of him. Then they ask him to pull himself up into a kneeling position, which he didn't, and I still don't, know what actually means, since they yell at him for not keeping his legs crossed - I don't know of any possible interpretation of 'kneeling position' where your legs are crossed. At this point he has no fucking clue what they want, and so he ostensibly puts his hands behind his back because that's his understanding of what the police wants you to do. And by the way, watch from 2:18 again, you'll see the woman also failing to interpret what is meant by 'kneeling position', and while she successfully interprets 'crawl towards me' as 'walk on your knees with your hands still in the air', she does it [I]without crossed legs[/I]. So, try and put yourself into the guy's perspective at that point; he has been told to look into the carpet, so he doesn't see anything, only hears the commands [I]"push yourself up into a kneeling position", "put your hands in the air", [/I]and[I] "now crawl towards me"[/I], and is then tasked with imagining how he's supposed to do this. I know your argument is that actual cause was him reaching his hand back, but I'm saying that [I]that[/I] was caused by the cop's insane commands - he literally just said [I]"your hands go back into the [?], your back, or [?], and we are going to shoot you - crawl towards me"[/I]. Yeah, he reached back, yeah it could look like he was reaching for a gun, yeah it should be obvious that he should prioritize keeping his hands out over probably pulling his pants up, [I]but it could not have happened if the cop hadn't made him remove his hands from behind his head[/I]. Due to the amount of stress he was under, we can't expect him to have behaved rationally, therefore him reaching back was not his fault.

How about America starts working on robot cops that put human life above their own so people don’t get killed like this?

[QUOTE=ultra_bright;52966854]How about America starts working on robot cops that put human life above their own so people don’t get killed like this?[/QUOTE] We still haven't found a workaround for stairs, I'm afraid: [media]https://youtu.be/_MS4sLlBvbE[/media]

[QUOTE=BanthaFodder;52967546]We still haven't found a workaround for stairs, I'm afraid: [media]https://youtu.be/_MS4sLlBvbE[/media][/QUOTE] They still make mistakes [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlQwX93rqcA[/media]

[QUOTE=MR-X;52967859]They still make mistakes [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlQwX93rqcA[/media][/QUOTE] Why did you post the video from the OP again? Weve already seen it.

[QUOTE=ultra_bright;52966854]How about America starts working on robot cops that put human life above their own so people don’t get killed like this?[/QUOTE] Robots in authority positions are a bad idea as it removes accountability. Theres a good Ted Talk about why we shouldn't put robots and AIs in those sorts of positions.