• Girls make burritos, people say its racist.
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Those two look like real social activist. I bet their profiles say "Ask me how much i hate white people".
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;52277328]Cool. I don't fucking care. They're complaining over stuff that doesn't matter and doesn't affect anyone. Instead of tackling real issues in American culture, such as the blatant disregard for the lives of Afro-American/Hispanic-Americans in urban environments, the rampant homelessness in Los Angeles/Chicago where these individuals are made to leave in order to allow businesses in, the discriminatory policies that LGBT individuals have to face when applying for school/jobs, the lack of support for lower class drug addicts due to America's broken healthcare system. These are real-deal issues that aren't some "starving african child" asspull, but are instead things that people are fighting [I]right now[/I], and these whiny shitdicks could join up. But no. Some people making burritos happen to be white, and therefore, it is racist and the most important thing they need to be decrying and fighting.[/QUOTE] I think its a combination of wanting identity, misplaced anger/enthusiasm and polarisation. Wanting identity - they rail against "an other" (in this case "those racist white people"). Misplaced anger - racism is an issue so they're angry and they'll lash out randomly, in some cases they themselves becoming racist and seeing white people as an enemy rather than an ally in the fight misplaced enthusiam - like above, they're so zealous and fervant to fight for a cause, they don't think about if it'll actually help polarisation - people can go online and find a weird ass community who don't criticise (and might even encourage or celebrate) increasingly radical and weird behaviour. It's a shame that some kind of voice of reason cannot help direct these people. Help them channel their anger/enthusiasm/activism toward solving actual problems and stop making a fool of themselves and harassing innocent people for imagined slights.
[QUOTE=01271;52277323][img]https://thumbs.mic.com/MzI4ZmI5NTYzZiMvZFI1c1dSMmpaT19DVjBZVzVYamRvdW1SR2EwPS8yMDh4MjA4L3NtYXJ0L2ZpbHRlcnM6Zm9ybWF0KGpwZWcpOnF1YWxpdHkoODApL2h0dHBzOi8vczMuYW1hem9uYXdzLmNvbS9wb2xpY3ltaWMtaW1hZ2VzL2EyN2U1OTNlNTQ3NjY0MTQ2MTg3OTJiZjNiNjU3ZTg5M2QwODM2MTEwNjJiMDI1ZmQ3MzM3NzcxZDMyYzFlZDguanBn.jpg[/img][t]https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/862504444344229888/9BcATNqJ_400x400.jpg[/t] The two examples from the article are not white kids.[/QUOTE] And yet neither are they hispanic.
When spoiled kids can't find a reason to be spoiled anymore they'll attack those who've put in effort and say the don't deserve it. All this is, is the product of telling people they are worth the same as those who try without having to try. Pure Jealousy If you look into the world with the intention of solving inequality and race/culture issues and you see people celebrating another culture's food and think THAT is the problem in the world, then you've got no fucking problems to begin with or have a serious issue with prioritisation. PLUS who the fuck said its not cool to partake in another culture as long as your being respectful and genuinely interested.. or critical for that matter? The point is respect, no?
I think it's only offensive if they shit on mexican culture or explicitly made fun of it. Like "we made it better than mexicans who don't wash their hands" "We promise not to behead you with our prices" Even if it's "cultural appropiation", it isn't really done with malice or with the intention of offending anyone It's pretty hard to be offended over a burrito, a dish that people have made different over the years, just like the difference between actual mexican tacos and tacos sold in the US. It's just food done different.
[QUOTE=Lollipoopdeck;52277464]When spoiled kids can't find a reason to be spoiled anymore they'll attack those who've put in effort and say the don't deserve it. All this is, is the product of telling people they are worth the same as those who try without having to try. Pure Jealousy. If you look into the world with the intention of solving inequality and race/culture issues and you see people celebrating another culture's food and think THAT is the problem in the world, then you've got no fucking problems to begin with or have a serious issue with prioritisation[/QUOTE] You can tell by looking at their pictures how damn misguided they are in their beliefs. Brats
[QUOTE=AntonioR;52276418]Just stick with milk and milk products to be sure, other races are mostly lactose intolerant and can't touch you.[/QUOTE] Did you just appropriate Kefir you fucking shitlord?
[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;52276192]I kinda get what they're getting at... Serruptitiously sneaking around and trying to get the recipes (intellectual property) of people who do not wish to disclose them, who are currently selling those foods? Yeah, that's pretty fucked up regardless of race. [editline]26th May 2017[/editline] This is the most Portland story I ever read, though. It's like a sketch out of Portlandia.[/QUOTE] That's hardly what happened.
Can't these kids be sued for the fact that their 'protest' cost the business money and made them shut down? If it were me i'd sue them of everything they've got, make them experience real adversity.
The misuse of cultural appropriation to attack integration of racial identity rather than actual explotation of it is bullshit; but sadly this is one of those things that just goes unsaid. A lot of people like myself feel like the nuance of opinion gets lost because of how fast information comes and goes so shit like this just ends up being ammunition for the other side - so instead of the idea being refined or explained it just gets discredited entirely.
[QUOTE=Craigewan;52277382]And yet neither are they hispanic.[/QUOTE] Burritos are an American invention anyway, depending which history you want to believe. Similar to how half the stuff you can order at a Chinese restaurant in the US isn't really Chinese in origin, just themed.
[QUOTE=Cyke Lon bee;52277572]Burritos are an American invention anyway, depending which history you want to believe. Similar to how half the stuff you can order at a Chinese restaurant in the US isn't really Chinese in origin, just themed.[/QUOTE] If the burrito has sour cream, lettuce, cheese, rice, beef, pork, or chicken, then yeah, it's not "Mexico's secret and exclusive recipe passed down for thousands of years (tm)" because none of those ingredients originated in the Americas.
[QUOTE=Lord of Boxes;52276819]This is such a stereotypically Portland thing that it hurts.[/QUOTE] It's really not even a common thing here. I've lived here or in nearby cities for like 99% of my life and I can count the number of retards I've met that are like this on one hand.
[QUOTE=Last or First;52277608]If the burrito has sour cream, lettuce, cheese, rice, beef, pork, or chicken, then yeah, it's not "Mexico's secret and exclusive recipe passed down for thousands of years (tm)" because none of those ingredients originated in the Americas.[/QUOTE] Thats like saying that the sandwich isn't an English invention because the English didn't invent cheese and ham. You're looking at it too statically. Corn flour tortillas were an exclusively Mayan/Mexican invention, you can't really discredit that just because someone figured out how to make bread differently elsewhere. And, depending which history you believe, the Burrito was made by a Mexican-American and marketed as such.
[QUOTE=plunger435;52276980]This honestly reads like you got all of your information on the topic from Facepunch threads. Australia even has laws pertaining directly to this. [url]https://www.artslaw.com.au/info-sheets/info-sheet/indigenous-cultural-and-intellectual-property-icip-aitb/[/url][/QUOTE] I base my opinions on personal experiences and research from multiple sources. I think that other cultures should be treated with a degree of respect and understanding. I maintain the view that no culture is superior over another. Still, I think law is not the right way to handle the issue, and I am highly critical of intellectual property laws in general. Cultural fusion is an important expression of freedom and helps cultures come together and understand eachother, so long as it is not done with an explicit profit motive or as a dumb fad. [editline]26th May 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=DiBBs27;52277223]Imagine being so progressive that you think it's okay to hate a relatively benign religion by today's standards but will defend an inherently hostile, destructive religion without a second thought. Seriously, what are these 'progressive' people smoking? In my opinion the anti-fascists of today are already the fascists of today. The ideological spectrum isn't a straight line. It's more like a circle. It's possible to be so 'progressive' that you wind up back on the other side of the spectrum you were trying so hard to get away from. The polar opposite of a Hitler is still a Hitler in ideological warfare. That's something these progressive people can't comprehend.[/QUOTE] Horseshoe theory is mostly horseshit imho
It's alarming that there are people who want to have individual cultures monopolize the distribution of particular types of food altogether. Who cares who invented what. Only people with the minds of fucking children are going to play the "MINE" game. [QUOTE=UnknownDude;52277658] Horseshoe theory is mostly horseshit imho[/QUOTE] Extrapolate rather than making unexplained claims.
The brutal irony here is that by "standing up for the disenfranchised hispanics" whose recipes were "appropriated," they're actually drawing segregating walls between races by declaring what cultural practices they can and can't participate in. TL;DR SJW efforts against racism are inherently racist, what a shocker. I fucking hate Portland.
[QUOTE=hippowombat;52277706]The brutal irony here is that by "standing up for the disenfranchised hispanics" whose recipes were "appropriated," they're actually drawing segregating walls between races by declaring what cultural practices they can and can't participate in. TL;DR SJW efforts against racism are inherently racist, what a shocker. I fucking hate Portland.[/QUOTE] There's nothing wrong with Portland it'self, there are just some really really REALLY idiotic people who live there.
idk as a Mexican-American I have literally no issue with white people having a burrito shop or whatever the fuck Maybe they make it real good. Maybe it sucks. If it sucks, I'll just go somewhere else. As long as they're not all putting on sombreros and speaking in butchered Spanish, who cares lol.
[QUOTE=Disseminate;52276223]It's this but worse. It's not an IP issue, it's a literal class issue. Instead of breaking down the ole' evil patent troll, the people the owners are picking on is Mexicans, who, in the states, are typically poor and meager. The worry that people have in this story is that there are Mexican restaurants in Portland, but this one who white-ified the food is more popular. Mexicans are poor in the states, especially with the political climate; who are you to take their recipe and make a living on it, when you could make a living doing another job whereas Mexicans couldn't? Yes, the restaurant owners have all the rights in the world to make tacos. Just like I have all the rights in the world to pretend I'm homeless and bum change on a street corner. It doesn't make it right nor just. [url]http://www.portlandmercury.com/blogtown/2017/05/22/19028161/this-week-in-appropriation-kooks-burritos-and-willamette-week[/url] Even in this interview, they admit they went to California, stole recipes from old poor ladies, and went back to Portland. It's not their idea and not their business. Edit: The source above is super biased; only take from it the quoted interviews.[/QUOTE] 99.99999% of the Mexicans in the United States had nothing to do with the creation or popularization of Burritos. It is not "their" recipe.
[QUOTE=Pascall;52277779]idk as a Mexican-American I have literally no issue with white people having a burrito shop or whatever the fuck Maybe they make it real good. Maybe it sucks. If it sucks, I'll just go somewhere else. As long as they're not all putting on sombreros and speaking in butchered Spanish, who cares lol.[/QUOTE] People from another race making food from a culture that is not their own is a celebration of the food and the culture itself! People who are against that are the real racist segregationists.
[QUOTE=DiBBs27;52277844]People from another race making food from a culture that is not their own is a celebration of the food and the culture itself! People who are against that are the real racist segregationists.[/QUOTE] I think I'd probably draw the line at them actively sabotaging other Mexican or Hispanic businesses with their own business practices but that's not what's happening here obvs. These people just wanted to sell some burritos. I mean Chipotle and Freebirds are definitely not run by Mexican Americans but those restaurants are all over the damn place lol. I don't like either of them but hey whatever fam they're not claiming to be the SOLE PROPRIETORS of good hispanic food nor are they pushing for racist stereotypes so it's like whatev. Our family has always been super keen on sharing recipes with other people. Food is a huge thing to our culture just like it is to a lot of other cultures. There's no reason why we can't share it. People just gotta relax sometimes and eat a burrito.
[QUOTE=plunger435;52276980]This honestly reads like you got all of your information on the topic from Facepunch threads. Australia even has laws pertaining directly to this. [url]https://www.artslaw.com.au/info-sheets/info-sheet/indigenous-cultural-and-intellectual-property-icip-aitb/[/url][/QUOTE] Australia also has laws that prevent gay people from marrying. So if Australia's laws are meant to be some definitive moral guide, why do you hate gay marriage?
Burritos aren't even a purely Mexican item. They're really as much of a southern Californian/Texan dish as they are Mexican. Hardly what I'd call traditional anyway.
[QUOTE=snookypookums;52276315]This cultural appropriation shit on someone else's behalf is never actually used in real situations where people are too chickenshit to call it out. I still remember when someone in my friends circle wore a bindi because she had an Indian roommate and she thought they were awesome (she was also learning how to wear a sari because why not :v:). The rest of the Indian folks were very amused and were kinda happy in a "Hey, that's nice, that white girl has a bindi, that's kinda adorable - glad she likes it!" But holy fuck, someone else in the group went full ham on her [I]claiming to be on our fucking behalf[/I], saying she should be ashamed of cultural appropriation like this. She made that poor girl feel one inch tall. :frown: We told her to calm the fuck down and that we honestly weren't offended (quite the opposite), and she called us "self loathing Indians". We: :what: :speechless:[/QUOTE] You should have turned the tables on her, called her out for what she is acting like: a racist bitch. The white woman who thinks she's authorized to speak on your behalf, and when you decline, declares your opinion irrelevant and hers superior. Her excuse even went straight to race, so you know she has racial motivations to her reasoning. You could have cornered her pretty good with that, declare her a racist for speaking over you, for minimizing your opinions, and most of all: being a white person taking the lead on a non-white issue. I doubt she would have come around, but it would have been funny at least. I hope bindi girl wasn't too hurt by that other girl's nonsense.
[QUOTE=Colliseemoe;52278092]Burritos aren't even a purely Mexican item. They're really as much of a southern Californian/Texan dish as they are Mexican. Hardly what I'd call traditional anyway.[/QUOTE] Not to mention, but there's also a bunch of other cultural spins on how to make burritos, so it can't even be claimed as a purely Mexican dish anymore to begin with.
I just recently learned how to make some authentic Mexican dishes (Mole, Posole, and Caldo de Rez) by a hispanic family friend. A world where people don't share and enjoy cultural recipes would be a much less enjoyable one.
God I can't stand Mole lol but Posole is great.
[QUOTE=Pascall;52278148]God I can't stand Mole lol but Posole is great.[/QUOTE] Mole seems like one of those dishes that people either love or hate. I absolutely love it, though I like the version without chocolate in it better.
[img]https://www.qsrmagazine.com/sites/qsrmagazine.com/files/Taco-Johns-exterior.jpg[/img] Wait until they hear about this place
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