Construction crew wrangles thief, ties him to scaffold until police arrive

[Ajacks]

Construction workers would be the last people you would want to steal from. They not only are generally tough and in a group, but are usually hyper vigilant about watching and protecting their tools since that is their livelihood. Good on them for restraining this guy.

[MR-X]

[QUOTE=Blind Lulu;52563486]You guys are such crybabies lol[/QUOTE]

I bet they're the type of people who sympathize with the criminal who just victimized them.

People don't understand construction workers buy their own tools. You steal their tools, you steal their livelihood.

Here is a crazy idea, don't try and steal peoples shit and you will not get tied to a pole.

[Mort Stroodle]

[QUOTE=The Rifleman;52562536]The fuck is it with people siding with criminals on this forum[/QUOTE]

In this thread people are being silly, restraining a criminal until the police arrive is fine, but most of the time when people are "siding with criminals" on Facepunch it's just people calling others out for calling for revenge killings and shit. Criminals still have rights.

[Araknid]

lol at all the people upset that a criminal got restrained

you fucking kidding or what?

[SIRIUS]

[QUOTE=Araknid;52563600]lol at all the people upset that a criminal got restrained

you fucking kidding or what?[/QUOTE]

How many more of these posts repeating the obvious are necessary?

[Kube]

[QUOTE=Ajacks;52563532]Construction workers would be the last people you would want to steal from. They not only are generally tough and in a group, but are usually hyper vigilant about watching and protecting their tools since that is their livelihood. Good on them for restraining this guy.[/QUOTE]

Not to mention good tools costs hundreds if not thousands of dollars. Shit ain't cheap to replace on a blue collar budget.

[JoeyJoJo]

I don't see what the problem as a Citizen's Arrest is designed to restrain the suspect until police arrive. The also used reasonable force i.e. the minimal amount of force required to control the situation.

[Araknid]

[QUOTE=SIRIUS;52563614]How many more of these posts repeating the obvious are necessary?[/QUOTE]

When people stop saying stupid shit.

[SIRIUS]

it's repetitive and dumb

[editline]12th August 2017[/editline]

[QUOTE=Araknid;52563651]When people stop saying stupid shit.[/QUOTE]

[Araknid]

[QUOTE=SIRIUS;52564015]it's repetitive and dumb

[editline]12th August 2017[/editline][/QUOTE]

Not really.

You gonna complain about people making similar posts in every thread?

[Bleach Qeef]

Good, that's hilarious. Nothing more, nothing less, he got what was coming. Jesus christ facepunch is retardeningly liberal sometimes

[Michael haxz]

[QUOTE=The Rifleman;52562536]The fuck is it with people siding with criminals on this forum[/QUOTE]

Because unnecessary force is a thing that occurs often. I can understand being against someone getting the absolute shit kicked out of him/her for a very MINOR infraction.

But boy oh boy this isn't one of those times, this guy very likely tried to run and the guys did the right thing by restraining him.

[BoopieDoopie]

[QUOTE=rabidwulf92;52563077][IMG]http://i.imgur.com/CFNDoGp.png[/IMG]

Based on all these variables, I'm more than comfortable thinking your "civil suit" would get thrown out. There is absolutely nothing here to suggest that tying a guy up with duct tape and nylon rope is "excessive or unreasonable". You know what's unreasonable? Breaking into a car. The only thing this article specifies is that they cannot CA with handcuffs (unless directed by an officer). They are well within their rights to restrain him without using violent force

[editline]11th August 2017[/editline]

Plus considering this was a felony being stopped, they're even more protected by the law. If it was a misdemeanor, you might have some ground to stand on but they stopped a guy in progress on a third degree felony, so you'd just be representing a felon.[/QUOTE]

Just scroll down " Nothing in this subsection
constitutes justification for willful,
malicious or criminally negligent conduct by such person
which injures or endangers any person or property, nor shall it be construed to excuse or justify
the use of unreasonable or excessive force."

[QUOTE] Excessive force is a slippery metaphor: experts say it’s any force beyond what’s necessary to arrest a suspect and keep police and bystanders safe.There are some moves, like choke holds, that are altogether barred in certain jurisdictions.

“‘Excessive’ will have different meanings in different jurisdictions,” says Mark Henriquez, project manager for the National Police Use of Force Database Project at the International Association of Chiefs of Police. [/QUOTE]

"“I wasn’t in it! I was just checking it out,” the tied-up young man explains." So he hadn't actually broken in anywhere.
"as one construction says that he found his wallet and rolling papers on him. “You lucky we didn’t beat you down,” he adds."

Yeah they didn't actually stop him in the middle of anything and still tied him up.

"In the event a citizen detaining another person by citizen’s arrest, at the request of law enforcement, does not adhere to the standards for legal search and seizure, the arresting citizen may face criminal prosecution. In fact, if a citizen’s arrest is determined to be unlawful, the arresting individual may be exposed to civil liability, and the possibility of being criminally charged with such crimes as:

False imprisonment
Assault and/or battery
"

So like I said, instead of following the normal standard of just restraining his hands they tied him to a fucking scaffolding on a site where I guarantee you will find hard hat required signs posted.

and finally "the man has not yet been charged with anything."

[ROFLBURGER]

Someone saw Return to the 36th Chamber on Netflix

[editline]4[/editline]

tbh I think if the pose didn't look so awkward and unusual I it would've been seen as fine. I don't think anyone here is upset with the fact that he was detained.

[Jon_MadN]

[QUOTE=BoopieDoopie2;52565095]Just scroll down " Nothing in this subsection
constitutes justification for willful,
malicious or criminally negligent conduct by such person
which injures or endangers any person or property, nor shall it be construed to excuse or justify
the use of unreasonable or excessive force."

"“I wasn’t in it! I was just checking it out,” the tied-up young man explains." So he hadn't actually broken in anywhere.
"as one construction says that he found his wallet and rolling papers on him. “You lucky we didn’t beat you down,” he adds."

Yeah they didn't actually stop him in the middle of anything and still tied him up.

"In the event a citizen detaining another person by citizen’s arrest, at the request of law enforcement, does not adhere to the standards for legal search and seizure, the arresting citizen may face criminal prosecution. In fact, if a citizen’s arrest is determined to be unlawful, the arresting individual may be exposed to civil liability, and the possibility of being criminally charged with such crimes as:

False imprisonment
Assault and/or battery
"

So like I said, instead of following the normal standard of just restraining his hands they tied him to a fucking scaffolding on a site where I guarantee you will find hard hat required signs posted.

and finally "the man has not yet been charged with anything."[/QUOTE]

They stopped him from escaping a crime scene which is also a crime iirc

[Ganerumo]

I mean the situation seems a bit purposefully over the top in the way they tied him up but it's nowhere near the medieval cruelty that some people have evoked.

Way worse shit could have happened to that guy. It doesn't look like he was in any real danger.

[CodeMonkey3]

I don't know what law you guys think the construction workers broke. In the State of New York, one of the most liberal states what they did is 100% legal.

Almost every state has the same laws regarding theft. You're allowed to detain, with an equal or slightly greater (within reason) amount of physical force to prevent their escape.

Nothing they did was unreasonable.

[Zillamaster55]

Getting a bunch of burly men with blunt objects riled up and only getting tied to some scaffolding is a pretty good deal if you ask me.

[CodeMonkey3]

[QUOTE=BoopieDoopie2;52565095]
So like I said, instead of following the normal standard of just restraining his hands they tied him to a fucking scaffolding on a site where I guarantee you will find hard hat required signs posted.

and finally "the man has not yet been charged with anything."[/QUOTE]

Do you live in a city? Those are just sidewalk scaffolding. People walk under them all day, they're right above the sidewalk. You don't need a hardhat there, no one else is wearing one.

It's probably safer under the scaffolding than outside of it.

[gnampf]

Imagine he just leans forward and the whole building falls on him.

As impossible as that sounds the thought of that just makes me crack up.

[Curls]

[QUOTE=MedicWine;52562047]Were they about to on lunch break and leave him there? Why did they need to keep tying him up? I feel like they could have been done before the video even started. [/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=millan;52562068]If you feel you absolutely need to tie someone up at least let them sit down somewhere inside?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Uberpro;52562098]As usual, both sides are retarded.[/QUOTE]

Tbh 3 posts in and this thread is already in the dumpster

great job lads

[kylel999]

[QUOTE=millan;52562068]This is some medieval shit?

If you feel you absolutely need to tie someone up at least let them sit down somewhere inside?[/QUOTE]

Might as well offer him a beer while you're at it too

[editline]16th August 2017[/editline]

[QUOTE=gk99;52562612]Probably time for an idiot cull

Like a real one not one where everyone gets unbanned within the same day[/QUOTE]

Please. The weeds haven't been trimmed in so long.

[Nebukadnezzer]

[QUOTE=MedicWine;52562134]Proper citizens arrest are legal. You can't just do whatever you feel like to somebody because they appeared to have committed a crime. A non-violent one at that.

You can't just start applying punishments before somebody is convicted. That's guilty until proven innocent.[/QUOTE]

what the FUCK

this isn't a punishment they're detaining him until the 5-0 get there did you even read past the first WORD of the TITLE?

[editline]17th August 2017[/editline]

[QUOTE=_Maverick_;52562263]this could potentially be viewed as excessive force in a court of law.
however, if the construction crew thought that this was the most capable way to detain the criminal (if he was guilty) then the worst case is that they will receive a verbal/written warning to seek out and use other less harmful ways of detaining people in future or much more likely be told to NOT DO IT AGAIN and let the police handle it (even if that means letting the criminal go)[/QUOTE]

no, it couldn't

[cplcollas]

[QUOTE=BoopieDoopie2;52565095]Just scroll down " Nothing in this subsection
constitutes justification for willful,
malicious or criminally negligent conduct by such person
which injures or endangers any person or property, nor shall it be construed to excuse or justify
the use of unreasonable or excessive force."

"“I wasn’t in it! I was just checking it out,” the tied-up young man explains." So he hadn't actually broken in anywhere.
"as one construction says that he found his wallet and rolling papers on him. “You lucky we didn’t beat you down,” he adds."

Yeah they didn't actually stop him in the middle of anything and still tied him up.

"In the event a citizen detaining another person by citizen’s arrest, at the request of law enforcement, does not adhere to the standards for legal search and seizure, the arresting citizen may face criminal prosecution. In fact, if a citizen’s arrest is determined to be unlawful, the arresting individual may be exposed to civil liability, and the possibility of being criminally charged with such crimes as:

False imprisonment
Assault and/or battery
"

So like I said, instead of following the normal standard of just restraining his hands they tied him to a fucking scaffolding on a site where I guarantee you will find hard hat required signs posted.

and finally "the man has not yet been charged with anything."[/QUOTE]

Assuming the "construction vehicle" in question is a pickup truck like pic related you don't actually have to break in to the cabin to be "breaking in"/stealing from the truck, you can literally just grab shit from the tray and walk away if you were quiet enough about it
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Tool theft is a legitimate problem for tradies since the tools cost so bloody much, those tools are built to last a lifetime and then some and (usually) come with an unlimited warranty and free replacements