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[QUOTE=Killer900;52582018]They'll become even more radicalized and entrenched in their beliefs[/QUOTE] Nazism is already extremist and radical, they'd just be showing their true colors.

[QUOTE=archangel125;52582068]Good. Then they only need get violent and we can erase them.[/QUOTE] what the fuck, dude

People relying on free speech principles to justify supporting a hostile ideology often forget that the general public has no obligation to provide them with a platform to do so. [QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;52582428]yeah, i personally think we should be prepared to use violent means to fight them but i think we should weep if that day comes. getting excited for it feels somewhat dangerous.[/QUOTE] I doubt we will need to respond to violence in kind. Nuremberg did a fine job of demonstrating that the legal system is quite capable of handling extremists and genocidal criminals. If the more extreme members of the white supremacist movement decide to make the foolish decision of actually acting on their beliefs, I envision the day that a federal court throws the book at them for multiple capital offenses.

[QUOTE=archangel125;52582068]Good. Then they only need get violent and we can erase them.[/QUOTE] what the fuck imagine wanting violence to break out where innocent people will probably get hurt so you have an excuse to wipe out people from an insane ideology (an ideology that's still an extreme minority despite recent events) imagine saying 'i can't wait until isis does an attack so we can wipe them all out'

[QUOTE=archangel125;52582416]Let's understand each other. Nazis, by their very ideology, are the enemies of every freedom western nations have ever conferred upon their citizens. They are enemies of the freedoms brave men and women have fought, bled and died for. They are dangerous to civilized society and to the human species as a whole. They're undesirables, but we, being civilized, egalitarian-minded folks, have tolerated their existence so long as they weren't a threat. That changed in Charlottesville. They went out to that protest and violated their agreement with Police with the express intent of doing violence. They went with weapons, body armor, riot shields and helmets. They went, and as soon as they felt they had an excuse, they drove a car into a crowd of unarmed people, murdered a woman and tried to lynch a man. That was a turning point. That was when anyone marching with them who still had two brain cells to rub together went "Wait, shit, this is going too far, I'm out." The rest, though... the ones who still stand with them, the ones planning more 'marches', they're terrorists. Sub-human vermin, due no more consideration than ISIS members. In a way, they're more dangerous by far than ISIS, because that terrorist group has to work hard to commit attacks in Western countries. These scumbags are here, right now. Planning their next attack. So long as they remain non-violent, so should everyone else. But in the interests of protecting the freedoms you hold dear and the way of life you've grown to love, I say all we need is one good excuse. One more instance of them trying to hurt innocent people. And then it's time to load your buckshot and call Elmer Fudd, because it's fucking Nazi season.[/QUOTE] So why aren't people doing anything about Antifa then? They are hardly peaceful protestors either and yet they are allowed to have their websites hosted and reachable via google. And as a preemptive measure since people love to assume things, no, I do not support the Nazis.

[QUOTE=CommanderPT;52583257]So why aren't people doing anything about Antifa then? They are hardly peaceful protestors either and yet they are allowed to have their websites hosted and reachable via google. And as a preemptive measure since people love to assume things, no, I do not support the Nazis.[/QUOTE] It's because they aren't nazis, but all the same there [I]are[/I] occasionally thugs that use antifa or blm as an excuse to act out aggressively because they feel frustrated and disenfranchised, in a similar vein to some of these nazis. The fact that people go "well they don't speak for the entire organization" for those cases and yet go "let's literally kill every nazi in retribution" here just seems hypocritical. I can't abide it, even as someone who wants to see these guys shut down hard. Yes I understand that violence towards minorities is a key part of most white supremacist rhetoric, but I highly doubt that literally every person involved wants to personally lynch a minority. People like fucking [i]Jontron[/i] can hold white supremacist beliefs, not because they actively hate others but because they're paranoid as shit and scared of shadows. They mistakenly think their future is in jeopardy, so they lash out. They should be held accountable and vigorously blocked from spreading their beliefs if possible, but my god I cannot [I]stand[/I] this dehumanizing we-must-wipe-out-this-subhuman-cancer shit Archangel always seems to segue into these days.

[QUOTE=CommanderPT;52583257]So why aren't people doing anything about Antifa then? They are hardly peaceful protestors either and yet they are allowed to have their websites hosted and reachable via google. And as a preemptive measure since people love to assume things, no, I do not support the Nazis.[/QUOTE] Nazis are way worse than antifa. Thanks for asking.

[QUOTE=Lambeth;52583321]Nazis are way worse than antifa. Thanks for asking.[/QUOTE] In the US maybe, not so much in other places.

[QUOTE=Crimor;52583326]In the US maybe, not so much in other places.[/QUOTE] What do you mean? Does Germany think Nazis are cool again???

[QUOTE=fruxodaily;52582026]Not doing anything makes it worse, this now means if you wanna read bullshit like this you gotta go through the effort of downloading and configuring Tor, finding the Tor address through onion directories which can be even harder to find then going to the site and discussion boards.[/QUOTE] I wonder if we'll see conversions drop simply because most people who dumb enough to buy into this shit won't be smart enough to access it.

[QUOTE=Crimor;52583326]In the US maybe, not so much in other places.[/QUOTE] in what other places are antifa worse than nazis

[QUOTE=Lambeth;52583339]What do you mean? Does Germany think Nazis are cool again???[/QUOTE] I've heard from Europeans before that antifa groups there are more often violent nuisances than the actual neo nazis they're opposing, but I'll admit that it's only hearsay from me.

[QUOTE=Lambeth;52583339]What do you mean? Does Germany think Nazis are cool again???[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Simplemac3;52583358]I've heard from Europeans before that antifa groups there are [B]more often[/B] violent nuisances than the actual neo nazis they're opposing, but I'll admit that it's only hearsay from me.[/QUOTE][emphasis mine] That's actually true (in Germany), but [B]only as far as property crime goes[/B]. [B]The far-right is far more dangerous in terms of[/B] (more targeted) [B]attacks on people[/B]. I think a big reason is that the nazis here know they will instantly get their ass handed to them if they ever do anything openly. People here have been much more tolerant of the far-left since they usually don't endanger uninvolved people (and their ideology normally isn't explicitly built around harming people), but after all the damage during G20, I'm pretty sure that's over too.

Nazis will always be more dangerous than other groups, because their entire ideology is literally based on genocide. Say what you like about other problematic groups, at least they tend not to be based solely around the mass death of other people based solely on race/sexuality/religion.

[QUOTE=Ona;52583507]Nazis will always be more dangerous than other groups, because their entire ideology is literally based on genocide. Say what you like about other problematic groups, at least they tend not to be based solely around the mass death of other people based solely on race/sexuality/religion.[/QUOTE] True, communists kill all races equally instead.

[QUOTE=LAMB SAUCE;52582832]I always thought the Daily Stormer was just dark satire. I had a good chuckle when reading their articles a couple years back.[/QUOTE] To give you an idea of what the Daily Stormer is really like, take a look at their Media Bias/Fact Check page. [img]http://i.imgur.com/y2QUuMX.png[/img] That's the furthest right I've ever seen on any website, and MBFC categorizes it as an untrustworthy hate group. I don't disagree.

[QUOTE=CommanderPT;52583536]True, communists kill all races equally instead.[/QUOTE] Except those people died indirectly from communism. If you look into the history of the massive amount of famine and deaths that occurred in the Soviet Union and other Communist States. It was a combination of power hungry dictators, poor management, the government being corrupt. Etc. Yes those people died under communism, but it wasn't because communism wanted them dead. On the other hand, with the Nazis. If the nazis would've gotten their way. Europe would've been "Cleansed." Along with probably a world wide genocidal campaign to exterminate Africans, Asians, Indians, Middle Eastern, and other people that aren't considered to be the "Pure Aryan Race." Not saying Communism isn't bad, because Communism in general sucks, but Nazism and their goals are far worse in comparison. People died under Communism because it was a flawed government system that was plagued by corruption and was abused by power hungry rulers. People died under the Nazis because the Nazis wanted them fucking dead...

[QUOTE=CommanderPT;52583536]True, communists kill all races equally instead.[/QUOTE] jeez ive had my head smacked off this dumb fucking horseshoe so many times this week that it doesn't even hurt anymore.

[QUOTE=Uber22;52583552]Except those people died indirectly from communism. If you look into the history of the massive amount of famine and deaths that occurred in the Soviet Union and other Communist States. [B] It was a combination of power hungry dictators, poor management, the government being corrupt. Etc[/B]. [/QUOTE] So... communism? :v:

[QUOTE=CommanderPT;52583564]So... communism? :v:[/QUOTE] Did you even read the rest of my comment? Or are you more worried of making a snarky comeback? :v:

[QUOTE=Uber22;52583568]Did you even read the rest of my comment?[/QUOTE] I did but you added a few more lines after I commented. Edit: Just like you did with the post I commented on again.

[QUOTE=CommanderPT;52583564]So... communism? :v:[/QUOTE] I dunno if you're being obtuse on purpose or just joking but can you see the fundamental difference between these two things?

[QUOTE=CommanderPT;52583569]I did but you added a few more lines after I commented.[/QUOTE] Alright. But thats the thing i wanted to point out. Communism does suck. Its a flawed system, that hasn't worked because its plagued by corruption, power hungry rulers, etc. But... these are just regular flaws of just a Totalitarian Nation or Empire. Which has happened a fuck ton of times in the history of humanity. On the other hand, with Nazis. They built an ideology that demands the slaughter of everyone else that isn't them.

[QUOTE=Crumpet;52583570]I dunno if you're being obtuse on purpose or just joking but can you see the fundamental difference between these two things?[/QUOTE] All I'm saying is that the other end of the spectrum shouldn't be cut any slack because they didn't target any specific race. They are both shit ideologies.

Tolerance of other views is what's necessary if the human race is going to survive. You don't have to agree, but be able to civilly agree to disagree. Censorship of ideas isn't free thought. That's why alot of this stuff has been permitted to exist on websites and what not.. When things get violent and people start getting hurt, that's when a line has to be drawn. Harming and killing because of disagreement cannot be condoned as a means to an end. Self-defense yeah sure, but running around looking for a reason to start throwing punches is never productive. Unless a person's goal is to start a fight.

[QUOTE=CommanderPT;52583576]All I'm saying is that the other end of the spectrum shouldn't be cut any slack because they didn't target any specific race. They are both shit ideologies.[/QUOTE] Yes, they are both shitty ideologies. But does communism have a "Slaughter everyone that's different than us" in their rule book? Like...Communism doesn't demand people to die. Its the shitty system of Communism that resulted in the deaths of millions. While Nazis demand people to die. In a nutshell. Both sides are fucking terrible, but morally and ideologically wise, Nazis are the worse overall imo. And are probably more of a threat to the future of the human race than anyone else. Ironically, The nazis boast about preserving the "Aryan" gene pool. While demanding the slaughter of everyone else that is different, which would result in humanity losing a fuck ton of genetic diversity.

[QUOTE=CommanderPT;52583576]All I'm saying is that the other end of the spectrum shouldn't be cut any slack because they didn't target any specific race. They are both shit ideologies.[/QUOTE] communism doesn't intend to target any specific anyone for anything, it's the idealistic egalitarian society. like a camping trip. you can argue the intricacies of why it would or wouldn't work but it's irrelevant to this argument. nazism is based on racial hierarchy. this is the foundation of nazism. being a nazi means you believe the holocaust was justified. being a communist does not mean you think stalin's purges were justified. there is nothing intentionally or fundamentally evil about communism. they worked out shit for such fundamentally different reasons (mainly nazism is inherently terrible) that it's a non argument with no conclusion beyond 'they were both shit'. well great, but shit is far more nuanced than that. communism is also very very broad. VERY broad.

[QUOTE=Crumpet;52583603]communism doesn't intend to target any specific anyone for anything, it's the idealistic egalitarian society. like a camping trip. you can argue the intricacies of why it would or wouldn't work but it's irrelevant to this argument. nazism is based on racial hierarchy. this is the foundation of nazism. being a nazi mean you believe the holocaust was justified. being a communist does not mean you think stalin's purges were justified. they are shit for such fundamentally different reasons that it's a non argument with no conclusion beyond 'they were both shit'. well great, but shit is far more nuanced than that. nazism is intentionally malicious shit.[/QUOTE] In a nutshell. Communism is shit because its flawed. Nazism is shit because its morally and ideologically fucked up. Both fucking different...so comparing the two as ideas is stupid imo. Though, you could say they both equally caused a fuck ton of problems. But...that doesn't make them mirror opposites imo.

[QUOTE=CommanderPT;52583576]All I'm saying is that the other end of the spectrum shouldn't be cut any slack because they didn't target any specific race. They are both shit ideologies.[/QUOTE] Why in the world are you bringing up a political/governmental ideology in a thread concerning a fascist, and supremacist school of thought? They can't be compared because they are literally not even remotely the same thing. One is a particular mode of government which aims to place power in the masses and only tangentially killed people because of the corrupt leadership and poor handling of it in the USSR. The other, however, is an idea that was deliberately utilized to kill millions of people based off of arbitrary traits of those people, which could not be changed for any reason. Your dislike for communism is a subject for an entirely different time and place. Take it somewhere else.

[QUOTE=Killer900;52582018]They'll become even more radicalized and entrenched in their beliefs[/QUOTE] I'll take a small cadre of unstable people who would probably end up radicalized over something anyway than the significant spread of racist beliefs.